Big East Tournament bracket (through Feb 19th)

[MUBasketball]

Movement since last Sunday:

Butler +2
Marquette +1
Seton Hall +1

St. John's -2
Creighton -1
Xavier -1

[Galway Eagle]

3-9 are separated by two games. That's a lot of pressure

[lurch91]

I hope we end up in the #2 or #3 spot, I'd rather meet Nova later in the tournament than the second game....

[wadesworld]

3-9 are separated by two games. That's a lot of pressure

Creighton (9-5) to Georgetown (5-9) is a 4 game separation.

[21rooster]

If MU can go 2-0 this week, that should wrap up a top five seed.  MU is in good shape against all except Butler in a tie-breaker because the record versus Nova factors in, if I have the rules right. 

[vogue65]

Watch the east coast teams rise to the top.  After all it is the Big East, I  hope I'm wrong,

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Watch the east coast teams rise to the top.  After all it is the Big East, I  hope I'm wrong,

What does that have to do with anything? More importantly why the hell does it even matter?

[vogue65]

What does that have to do with anything? More importantly why the hell does it even matter?

BECAUSE to get to the NCAA we need to win with a style of officiating that is prelevant in the BE.

[wadesworld]

BECAUSE to get to the NCAA we need to win with a style of officiating that is prelevant in the BE.

If the season ended today we'd have won enough with "a style of officiating that is prevalent to the BE" to get into the NCAA Tournament.

This is an odd obsession.

[brewcity77]

This is an odd obsession.

We are 7-7 under the current Big East officiating. Are the officials the reason we lost by double digits at Villanova, St. John's, and Georgetown? Did the officials bizarrely favor slightly-more-east-than-us Butler in our two losses to the Bulldogs? That's 5 of 7 losses.

Officiating is not our problem. Playing consistently well is.

[PGsHeroes32]

Seton Hall is 6-8 not 6-7


Don't think that changes their placement tho

[muguru]

Want that 3 seed badly...for many reasons. very doable even going 3-1 down the stretch. If MU and Creighton both finish 10-8, MU would own the tiebreaker on them.

[vogue65]

If the season ended today we'd have won enough with "a style of officiating that is prevalent to the BE" to get into the NCAA Tournament.

This is an odd obsession.

Yes, I have a rather long attention span.

[MUBasketball]

Seton Hall is 6-8 not 6-7


Don't think that changes their placement tho

I'm an idiot. Nova is 13-2 and SHU is 6-8. As I was jotting down records over the weekend I assumed those records included the result of their game on Saturday but clearly not.

In fact, this does change the bracket. That causes a 3 way tie between Providence, Seton Hall, and St. John's. In this "mini-conference" St. John's wins, followed by SHU and then Providence. So Providence is correctly the 8 seed, but need to flip SHU and St. John's.

Sorry for the confusion!

[Galway Eagle]

Creighton (9-5) to Georgetown (5-9) is a 4 game separation.

Sorry I meant we were separated from them by two games.

[LloydsLegs]

In the category of Getting Ahead of Myself:

If MU wins out (which would give X at least 7 losses and MU will have beaten them 2x for the tiebreak), AND

Creighton loses to Nova Saturday (which, along with losing to MU in last game of reg season would give them 7 losses and MU will have beaten them 2x for the tiebreak), then

MU gets a 3 seed and is opposite Nova in tourney. 

[And if it turns out to be a 3 way tie, I would think MU's 4-0 record against those teams would win the tie-break]

[brewcity77]

And if it turns out to be a 3 way tie, I would think MU's 4-0 record against those teams would win the tie-break

Depends on the third team. Butler would edge us as they have the same win over Villanova and swept us. Creighton or Xavier we would beat in tiebreakers (assuming we sweep both).

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

In the category of Getting Ahead of Myself:

If MU wins out (which would give X at least 7 losses and MU will have beaten them 2x for the tiebreak), AND

Creighton loses to Nova Saturday (which, along with losing to MU in last game of reg season would give them 7 losses and MU will have beaten them 2x for the tiebreak), then

MU gets a 3 seed and is opposite Nova in tourney. 

[And if it turns out to be a 3 way tie, I would think MU's 4-0 record against those teams would win the tie-break]

I got into this a bit in the BE Play Thread:

Just for sh*ts and gigs, I looked to see what seed we would get if we won out and ended in a three way tie for 2nd place with Creighton (2-2 finish) and Butler (1-2 finish).  Pretty sure we would end up in 3rd.

1) Mini-conference record would all be tied at 2-2 between MU, CU and Butler. 

2) Next tie breaker is record versus the highest seeded team.  That would be Nova.  MU and Butler both 1-1.  So CU eliminated.  Then it goes back to head-to-head, in which Butler wins. 

So I think to get the 2 seed we'd need Butler to lose out (@ Nova, @ X and vs. SHU). 

[BM1090]

I got into this a bit in the BE Play Thread:

Just for sh*ts and gigs, I looked to see what seed we would get if we won out and ended in a three way tie for 2nd place with Creighton (2-2 finish) and Butler (1-2 finish).  Pretty sure we would end up in 3rd.

1) Mini-conference record would all be tied at 2-2 between MU, CU and Butler. 

2) Next tie breaker is record versus the highest seeded team.  That would be Nova.  MU and Butler both 1-1.  So CU eliminated.  Then it goes back to head-to-head, in which Butler wins. 

So I think to get the 2 seed we'd need Butler to lose out (@ Nova, @ X and vs. SHU).

I think we could get the 2 seed at 11-7 if it is a 4 way tie between X, Butler, Creighton and us, as long as Butler loses to X next week. Mini conference would be

MU 4-2
Butler 3-3 (losses to X and 2 to CU)
CU 3-3 (2 losses to MU, 1 to X)
X - 2-4 (1 win vs. Butler, 1 win vs. CU)

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I think we could get the 2 seed at 11-7 if it is a 4 way tie between X, Butler, Creighton and us, as long as Butler loses to X next week. Mini conference would be

MU 4-2
Butler 3-3 (losses to X and 2 to CU)
CU 3-3 (2 losses to MU, 1 to X)
X - 2-4 (1 win vs. Butler, 1 win vs. CU)

Could theoretically still do that w a loss @ PC Saturday, no?

[dgies9156]

Let's win on Saturday before we worry about this stuff.

Because we have a big job ahead of us.

[MUMountin]

Let's win on Saturday before we worry about this stuff.

Because we have a big job ahead of us.

I hear its the biggest game of the year.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Let's win on Saturday before we worry about this stuff.

Because we have a big job ahead of us.

What, specifically, should I do between now and Saturday?

[wadesworld]

What, specifically, should I do between now and Saturday?

Focus on the process.