Reinhart Question

[tower912]

R-E-I-N-H-A-R-D-T

[GGGG]

Also giving the ball with six seconds left to a guy as tall as Rowsey is can be a problem too.  Really it wasn't that bad of a look anyway.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My bigger issue was a calling a timeout with 6 seconds left. I think it benefited the defense more than the offense IMHO.

[g0lden3agle]

My bigger issue was a calling a timeout with 6 seconds left. I think it benefited the defense more than the offense IMHO.

Interesting point.  We've actually had some pretty good baseline sets here and there throughout the year.  I can only imagine what the outrage here would have been had we not called a timeout and then not even got a shot off in the resulting play though!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Interesting point.  We've actually had some pretty good baseline sets here and there throughout the year.  I can only imagine what the outrage here would have been had we not called a timeout and then not even got a shot off in the resulting play though!

Oh I agree. I don't lose much sleep over last second plays. I have never heard someone say after a game winning shot "that was a terrible play call." Similarly, I have almost never heard someone say "that was a great play call" after a missed game winning shot. The value of the play call is based soley on its success, not whether or not it was strategically the best play.

I always go back to Super Bowl XLVIII. Pete Carroll gets blasted because he called a pass play on the 1 yard line and it go picked when he had the unstoppable Marshawn Lynch in the backfield. If they complete that pass, Pete Carroll would get praised as a genius because everyone would have expected him to run it.

[CTWarrior]

Oh I agree. I don't lose much sleep over last second plays. I have never heard someone say after a game winning shot "that was a terrible play call." Similarly, I have almost never heard someone say "that was a great play call" after a missed game winning shot. The value of the play call is based soley on its success, not whether or not it was strategically the best play.

I always go back to Super Bowl XLVIII. Pete Carroll gets blasted because he called a pass play on the 1 yard line and it go picked when he had the unstoppable Marshawn Lynch in the backfield. If they complete that pass, Pete Carroll would get praised as a genius because everyone would have expected him to run it.

Except that when Lynch didn't get the ball, in the few seconds before the interception, I had an urgent thought of "What the <expletive deleted> are they doing!?!  I'm sure I wasn't alone.  If they scored a touchdown there, my thought would have been that Carroll was lucky rather than smart. 

Anyway, I certainly didn't have that urgent feeling on Saturday, though I expected them to take a quick early chance on Rowsey either taking a three or trying to draw a foul with his patented pump fake, and if that didn't work go to Reinhardt, JJJ or Wilson on the drive.  I wouldn't take issue with what they did do at all, though.

The thing that bothered me was that didn't rush the ball up and we took 7 seconds off the clock before calling the first time out.

With 6 seconds to go you've got to get to the basket and try to draw contact, so Reinhardt is as good a guy as any we have to do that, so no problem there.

[ski44]

Let me clarify... I'm troubled by a guy with a possible concussion taking the last shot.

[GGGG]

Is there any indication he had a concussion or was otherwise hampered?

[BrewCity83]

I saw his head hit the floor on that next-to-last shot too.  I thought his head must've been less than clear for the final play but the coaches didn't seem to notice.

[MUDPT]

He was moving his elbow, I think left?, after he hit the floor, so they were probably more concerned with that.

[Herman Cain]

Oh I agree. I don't lose much sleep over last second plays. I have never heard someone say after a game winning shot "that was a terrible play call." Similarly, I have almost never heard someone say "that was a great play call" after a missed game winning shot. The value of the play call is based soley on its success, not whether or not it was strategically the best play.

I always go back to Super Bowl XLVIII. Pete Carroll gets blasted because he called a pass play on the 1 yard line and it go picked when he had the unstoppable Marshawn Lynch in the backfield. If they complete that pass, Pete Carroll would get praised as a genius because everyone would have expected him to run it.

I was at that Super Bowl and the entire stadium expected it to go to Marshawn Lynch. The Patriots did their homework though and knew that play was in the arsenal . The kid who intercepted was paying attention in film.

[MU82]

Put another way, were Blue's two game winners good shots or bad shots?    Would they have been good shots if he had missed?   Was anyone calling for him to give the ball up on either drive.      Similar situations.   

I actually thought about this as I was reading the kvetching earlier.

What was Buzz doing, having Vander run essentially the same play he had run just a week earlier? Certainly Davidson had scouted it, right? Why didn't Vander look to pass - what a chucker!

[GoldenDieners32]

I actually thought about this as I was reading the kvetching earlier.

What was Buzz doing, having Vander run essentially the same play he had run just a week earlier? Certainly Davidson had scouted it, right? Why didn't Vander look to pass - what a chucker!

Well he made it so i do not think it matters that much anymore

[MU82]

Well he made it so i do not think it matters that much anymore

That's kind of the point.

If a play succeeds, it was a "good one" to most Monday Morning QBs.

If a play fails, it was a "bad one."

Even if it was the same play by the same person. Or a different play by a different person. Or whatever.

Getting scrutinized by knee-jerk interwebs "experts" is one of many reasons D1 coaches get the big bucks.

[Lennys Tap]

I actually thought about this as I was reading the kvetching earlier.

What was Buzz doing, having Vander run essentially the same play he had run just a week earlier? Certainly Davidson had scouted it, right? Why didn't Vander look to pass - what a chucker!

Why would your best player (or anyone else for that matter) pass up a wide open lay up - which is what Blue's quickness/athleticism got him? His ability to create off the dribble vs Katin's? No comparison, no contest.

[forgetful]

Why would your best player (or anyone else for that matter) pass up a wide open lay up - which is what Blue's quickness/athleticism got him? His ability to create off the dribble vs Katin's? No comparison, no contest.

Apparently you forgot how bad Vander Blue was at layups.

[Golden Avalanche]

Apparently you forgot how bad Vander Blue was at layups.

Ton of Scoop discussion centered on Vander's chocolate wrists at the rim. 

[GGGG]

Apparently you forgot how bad Vander Blue was at layups.

Not by the time he was a junior.

[Lennys Tap]

Apparently you forgot how bad Vander Blue was at layups.

Assuming this was supposed to be in teal. If not, WTF?

[Newsdreams]

Assuming this was supposed to be in teal. If not, WTF?

He was terrible then improved that season.

[GGGG]

"Terrible" is overstating it.  He had trouble finishing in traffic.

[forgetful]

Assuming this was supposed to be in teal. If not, WTF?

Not necessarily in teal.  He and Cheats shared a problem for their first two years.  As others have noted, improved his junior year. 

[Lennys Tap]

Not necessarily in teal.  He and Cheats shared a problem for their first two years.  As others have noted, improved his junior year.

He had trouble finishing in traffic (as did JFB, by the way) early in his MU career. By junior year (the game Mike referenced was in the NCAAs of that year) he was a flat out stud. Lay ups, contested or not, weren't a problem. Not even a little.

[Mutaman]

Seem to recall vander driving the lane at the Garden with the clock winding down and putting it up to beat St Johns. Looked like he knew what he was doing. Then the boys paraded around carrying the Big East Trophy. 

I'll be there tonight. Not as big a game but hoping for a similiar result.

[Benny B]

I didn't like the result of the shot, but I'm cool with the play drawn and the decision made.

Listen... if Bobby Plump (Jimmy Chitwood) missed the buzzer beater at Hinkle (back when the lead paint was still fresh), nobody makes a movie about the Milan Indians.  But if coach let someone else take that shot or had Bobby/Jimmy passed off (and either way it missed), there might be a chance a different movie about Milan gets made.

Moral: There are two ways to avoid humiliation... either execute or simply do the right thing. 

Epilogue: Nothing remotely humiliating about Katin's shot.