Deja Vu..... with a revenge chaser.

[Archies Bat]

Assuming Markus is a four year player I'm having trouble imaging how good he is going to be. So impressive.

If less than a four year player, he would be even better.

[brandx]

4.  Duane, I know you didn't score much and missed a couple of dagger shots.    Damn, it was nice to have you back tonight.   But quit committing dumb, ego fouls.  And don't pass the ball to Heldt ever again. 
5.  A simple thing with a lead down the stretch.   Make free throws, win game.   Role reversal on free throws tonight and it cost MU. 
   
 

4. Please, Duane, do not shoot 3's. 27% and they are usually not even close. On the other hand, I have a lot more respect for him after tonite's game. Coming off a bad groin, he was the 1st warrior willing to go to the floor to fight for a loose ball. Showed a ton of guts tonight.

5. FT% doesn't matter. Sorry, I couldn't resist. FT% was the ONLY THING that mattered for SH tonite.

[Jay Bee]

5. FT% doesn't matter. Sorry, I couldn't resist. FT% was the ONLY THING that mattered for SH tonite.

No, it's fine. No need to apologize. Idiots like you only prove my point further.

#mubb 54.8% eFG%,  Seton Hall 45.8% eFG%. Therefore, Marquette won.

eFG% reigns supreme. Open your eyes.

[tower912]

No, it's fine. No need to apologize. Idiots like you only prove my point further.

#mubb 54.8% eFG%,  Seton Hall 45.8% eFG%. Therefore, Marquette won.

eFG% reigns supreme. Open your eyes.

I think we saw tonight that dR% can have an impact, too. 

[Jay Bee]

I think we saw tonight that dR% can have an impact, too.

Impact? Sure. Reign supreme? Nah.

...and my response was to a guy that said SH's FT's were responsible for the game's outcome. NO.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Impact? Sure. Reign supreme? Nah.

...and my response was to a guy that said SH's FT's were responsible for the game's outcome. NO.

No one stat is responsible for a game's outcome. Maybe stating the obvious.

[tower912]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919677

I am not as wedded to the eFG% as JB, but I also cannot deny there is a strong correlation.

[rocky_warrior]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919677

I am not as wedded to the eFG% as JB, but I also cannot deny there is a strong correlation.

There's also a strong correlation between scoring more points than the other team and winning.  But hey, I"m no stats guy

More seriously, of course eFG% reigns supreme.  It gets the heaviest weighting (40%) of the 4 factors.  And is it any surprise that the the team who has more points often has the highest eFG%?  I'm so tired of this "point" being made.

[brandx]

No, it's fine. No need to apologize. Idiots like you only prove my point further.

#mubb 54.8% eFG%,  Seton Hall 45.8% eFG%. Therefore, Marquette won.

eFG% reigns supreme. Open your eyes.

54.8% means nada if SH is an average shooting FT team. They still would have had a 45.8% eFG% and won. They lost because they missed too many FTs.

My argument with you is not over the use of advanced stats - they tell us way, way, way more than the traditional stats. It is the belief that they are the only thing that matters that I disagree with. Sometimes, really, all you have to do is watch the game to know why a team won or lost.

[Jay Bee]

No one stat is responsible for a game's outcome. Maybe stating the obvious.

Correlation of eFG% advantage is enormous compared to any other. You're either not familiar with the facts, or... well, I won't say it.

Let's go this way with it.. I've preached this for many years... but.. this season.. in MU games.. the team with the best eFG% has won what percent of games? What other stat can you say the same, or better, for?

Answer my questions, and you will learn.

[Jay Bee]

54.8% means nada if SH is an average shooting FT team. They still would have had a 45.8% eFG% and won. They lost because they missed too many FTs.

My argument with you is not over the use of advanced stats - they tell us way, way, way more than the traditional stats. It is the belief that they are the only thing that matters that I disagree with. Sometimes, really, all you have to do is watch the game to know why a team won or lost.

Go into a psych ward. You're stupid and/or mentally ill. If you think that game was decided by FT%, you're out of your flipping mind.

[GGGG]

54.8% means nada if SH is an average shooting FT team. They still would have had a 45.8% eFG% and won. They lost because they missed too many FTs.

That's not why they lost.

[MU82]

At the end of the year MU will be above SHU on the table.

That's what I like to hear ... from you and everybody else!

Welcome to the light side of the Force.

[Jay Bee]

BTW, Seton Hall shot a higher FT% tonight than their season average.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Correlation of eFG% advantage is enormous compared to any other. You're either not familiar with the facts, or... well, I won't say it.

Let's go this way with it.. I've preached this for many years... but.. this season.. in MU games.. the team with the best eFG% has won what percent of games? What other stat can you say the same, or better, for?

Answer my questions, and you will learn.

I didn't say eFG% wasn't an extremely important and indicative stat. I merely said it is not the only one to look at.

Don't be such a condescending douche.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

this season.. in MU games.. the team with the best eFG% has won what percent of games? What other stat can you say the same, or better, for?

Points scored?

[BM1090]

Also: F the announcers for straight up dissing MU when they said this game was a must win for SHU because MU is at the bottom of the table.  At the end of the year MU will be above SHU on the table.

Was at the game and didn't hear that. Wow.

[GGGG]

Was at the game and didn't hear that. Wow.

They said that Seton Hall viewed it as a must win.  It really wasn't that insulting.

[Jay Bee]

I didn't say eFG% wasn't an extremely important and indicative stat. I merely said it is not the only one to look at.

Don't be such a condescending douche.

I merely said eFG% reigns supreme (extremely important and indicative). Consider what you replied to.

The hypocrisy is unreal and an apology is in order.

[Jay Bee]

Points scored?

Got me.

[Marcus92]

2.  Markus, I believe. No fear. On your way to adding your name to the pantheon of great MU point guards.

No way this kid's only 17. He played like a senior tonight.

3.  This was the kind of rebounding game I have been afraid of all year.

I'm still stunned about this. Seton Hall's 27 offensive boards is staggering. But we still found a way to win. I'll take good shooting over poor shooting and awesome offensive rebounding any day. Winning the turnover battle 19-12 doesn't hurt, either.

11.  In the end, just enough. Which is enough.

Glad to be at 2-2 in conference. 8 more wins to go.

[brandx]

Go into a psych ward. You're stupid and/or mentally ill. If you think that game was decided by FT%, you're out of your flipping mind.

I may be stupid. I may be crazy.

But at least I am not a condescending jerk.

[Jay Bee]

I may be stupid. I may be crazy.

But at least I am not a condescending jerk.

Congrats, dipsh1t!

[GoldenWarrior11]

How was Delgado shooting 80% from the FT line at one point tonight, when he is a career 50% FT shooter? 

Statistic irregularities are unprecedented until they inevitably happen.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I merely said eFG% reigns supreme (extremely important and indicative). Consider what you replied to.

The hypocrisy is unreal and an apology is in order.

And I didn't disagree with you. I just said it's not the one and only stat to consider

Agreed - I'll be waiting for your apology for being a condescending douche.