Keep Whining

[Class71]

It's cool. We beat the refs and SH tonight. How does 'nova get their refs for home games and we get these fine lads? Must be my eyesight. JUst do not see what these refs see.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I'm wine-ing right now with a chilled Spanish Albarino

[Newsdreams]

Is it cool if I whine about the reffing in this SH game? Because whoof...

Amen

[MU82]

Fire Wojo. I can't believe he let Carrington bank in that 3. And isn't a little odd for a coach to actually tell his 83% FT shooter (Haani) to miss 2 straight? Wojo's gotta go.

And don't let any of those Wojo apologists say it's a sign of a mentally tough team to be able to win in OT without two starters and after being faced with other adversity. They won despite Wojo's mind games.

[Marcus92]

I've never sat in on the tournament selection committee. But I don't remember Jay Bilas ever mention a metric for "7 point leads blown with a minute left forcing the game into OT before getting the win."

It's about how many quality wins (and bad losses) you have. This was a quality win. Next game.

[tower912]

  I see progress.   I see good young players.   I see the building blocks for future greatness being put in place.  I accept that it is a process that needs to be respected.   

Do you see defensive progress over the last month?    I do.   It was good enough last night that not one person has complained it.   Could we have said that a month ago?
I see improvement in consistent effort.    Luke got the message after the Nova game.    Other than JjJ doing his good play/bad play routine, did one player not bust his a$$ last night?
After blowing another late lead, did the coach and team pull it together and beat a bigger, stronger, more experienced team?   And 3 refs?   
Could Matt Heldt give us what he did last night a year ago or even a month ago?   
Are Markus or Sam any good?
Do we have a sophomore in a shooting slump that continues to make every other winning play?
Is there a boat load of size on the horizon?

I see progress.    I see good young players.   I see building blocks.   There are going to be more bad games that are going to be frustrating and difficult to watch.   I accept it.   But I can see the road map. 

[Goose]

Tower

On the surface you make some valid points, with one exception IMO. One outstanding freshman kept us is the game and without him we would have been in big trouble. No one can bust Wojo's balls on the two freshmen he brought in this year.

[dgies9156]

TAMU

Wojo might be at his ceiling and that is not his fault. I never get angry at someone if they are put in a situation that are not capable of handling. I do angry at the person who puts someone in that position.

As I have said several times on here, I really do not know if Wojo ends up being a hit or a miss. That said, my interest level in seeing what happens is getting smaller by the day. I turned down free tix for the game tonight and really no reason other than I have little to no excitement about the game. Kind of makes me sad, but I am sure there will be 13,329 folks at the BC.

I am truly sorry to read this. Like you, I grew up in the Al era and our expectation was a National Championship contender and an elite program every year. But I'd like to raise some questions about Marquette's commitment to basketball. They are:

1) We spend more money on college basketball than all but a few of the elite programs. Gone are the days of Quentin Quade, when Al reportedly was nickeled and dimed to the point he was irritated. Marquette has invested in a first-rate practice and training facility, plays in a first-rate arena and has a strong backing of the Alumni and Community at large.

2) We play in one of the best basketball conferences in the country. Our conference champion also has an NCAA championship banner and most of the teams in our conference have been to the Final Four at least once. Georgetown, Villanova and Marquette all have won it (I'm probably missing someone). We have a television contract because of it that is one of the most lucrative nationally.

3) Our Head Coach was acquired in an approach that was very similar to recent past successes. Specifically, both Tom Crean (yes, I know, he sucks) and Kevin O'Neill were first assistants at some of the best programs in the nation. So was Coach Wojo. Coach Wojo has proven to be an excellent recruiter and is growing as a bench coach.

4) If Henry had stayed this year -- as I believe he should have -- with the talent we have now, we would be a Top 10 team. Unfortunately, like the 1972 Jim Chones-led National Championship that never was or the 1975 Maurice Lucas-led National Championship that never was, Henry left. Yes, there's a gaping hole in our line-up because of it. But I'm impressed at what I am seeing and how Coach Wojo is recruiting. I'll admit we aren't there yet, just like you do Goose. But a young coach and a young team has to gel. That's coming! Stick around. You'll like it!

Candidly, what I am more afraid of is that we will gel and that Wojo will get us to the Sweet 16. Everything will look bright, our recruits are strong, our team is great and we're filling the Milwaukee Bucks Moneybag Centre when some Power 5 school comes looking for Wojo.  THAT is the issue most of us ought to be worried about!

[mu03eng]

I've never sat in on the tournament selection committee. But I don't remember Jay Bilas ever mention a metric for "7 point leads blown with a minute left forcing the game into OT before getting the win."

It's about how many quality wins (and bad losses) you have. This was a quality win. Next game.

Listen, if we got knocked down a seed line because we lost to Kansas State in a secret scrimmage, surely an overtime win against a quality opponent is a negative feather in our cap.

[brewcity77]

Candidly, what I am more afraid of is that we will gel and that Wojo will get us to the Sweet 16. Everything will look bright, our recruits are strong, our team is great and we're filling the Milwaukee Bucks Moneybag Centre when some Power 5 school comes looking for Wojo.  THAT is the issue most of us ought to be worried about!

While that would be a possibility, I have a feeling he will be here at least a few years, no matter how this season goes (even if we make a shock Final Four run). I think the first "other high major" job he'd look at would be Duke once K goes. If he doesn't get that, then maybe he considers other options. I think we're still 2-3 years away from even entertaining another coaching search, at the minimum.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Fire Wojo. I can't believe he let Carrington bank in that 3. And isn't a little odd for a coach to actually tell his 83% FT shooter (Haani) to miss 2 straight? Wojo's gotta go.

And don't let any of those Wojo apologists say it's a sign of a mentally tough team to be able to win in OT without two starters and after being faced with other adversity. They won despite Wojo's mind games.

Please leave.  You are obviously a very unhappy human being and a troll.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Please leave.  You are obviously a very unhappy human being and a troll.

Have actually met 82. He's one of the happiest guys I know!

[ATL MU Warrior]

Have actually met 82. He's one of the happiest guys I know!

But was he a troll?

[muwarrior69]

I like reading all this whining. What else do liberal democrats have to do to keep busy. OK, Rocky you can lock up this thread and if you want to slap me on the wrist I'm Ok with that too.

[Folks,,,]

Tower

On the surface you make some valid points, with one exception IMO. One outstanding freshman kept us is the game and without him we would have been in big trouble. No one can bust Wojo's balls on the two freshmen he brought in this year.

Wojo is bringing in talented young players that can help win games?  Can you imagine if he did that each year? What if the players from previous years also improve and they all played together and won a lot of games!? What a crazy idea!

[VegasWarrior77]

Please leave.  You are obviously a very unhappy human being and a troll.

MU82 doesn't use teal - old school!

[naginiF]

Please leave.  You are obviously a very unhappy human being and a troll.

not to pile on but how does one get to 1700 posts and not get 82's persona?

[MU82]

Oh boy.

Kids today.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

not to pile on but how does one get to 1700 posts and not get 82's persona?

UNLESS -- Stretch also is anti-teal!

[keefe]

Considering your consistent moaning for the past many months, I'm unsure why you're here. It's the twilight of your ride and you should have a hobby that brings joy rather then pain. Move on.

Goose and his family have been a part of the Marquette story for generations. And they have done more for the university, and the men's basketball team, than you ever will.

I would suggest you take your sanctimonious schtick somewhere else because it is people like Goose who have made meaningful contributions to Marquette's success for decades. Your level of engagement is sniveling on a message board while Goose has been actively engaged in making Marquette something special.

Goose knows better than most what a successful program means to Marquette. And he and I both know that there are many influential and generous supporters of Marquette who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with what is happening with the team.

Telling Goose to "move on" illustrates not just your dreadful hubris but, more sickeningly, your grotesque fatuousness.

[keefe]

There is a difference between whining and complaining.

In the military, troops have a God-given right to complain and they exercise it frequently.

Which is why God created First Sergeants! Isn't that right First Sergeant?

[LAZER]

Goose and his family have been a part of the Marquette story for generations. And they have done more for the university, and the men's basketball team, than you ever will.

I would suggest you take your sanctimonious schtick somewhere elsebecause it is people like Goose who have made meaningful contributions to Marquette's success for decades. Your level of engagement is sniveling on a message board while Goose has been actively engaged in making Marquette something special.

Goose knows better than most what a successful program means to Marquette. And he and I both know that there are many influential and generous supporters of Marquette who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with what is happening with the team.

Telling Goose to "move on" illustrates not just your dreadful hubris but, more sickeningly, your grotesque fatuousness.

Priceless

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

While that would be a possibility, I have a feeling he will be here at least a few years, no matter how this season goes (even if we make a shock Final Four run). I think the first "other high major" job he'd look at would be Duke once K goes. If he doesn't get that, then maybe he considers other options. I think we're still 2-3 years away from even entertaining another coaching search, at the minimum.

I actually think Wojo really likes it here, and wants to build his own program. He can have just as much success at MU than just about any program in the country outside of a handful or two of blue bloods.  I honestly don't think Wojo is going anywhere other than Duke, unless he is shown the door. 

[manny31]

Priceless

With all do respect you forgot "You can say what you want aboub us but we are not going to sit here and let you bad mouth the United States of America(humming the Star Bangled  Banner in the background). Gentleman!"

[Loose Cannon]

Which is why God created First Sergeants! Isn't that right First Sergeant?

Well with all of that, I hope you and Goose are DAILY voters on the Hometown Heroes Thread.