Quit Whining

[tower912]

Luke's issues can't be fixed at this point.   He lacks lateral quickness.   The 'quick fix' wasn't going to happen because the powers wanted the anti-Buzz.   I'm not sold on Wojo yet.   I see hope and I can see the plan, but I have not yet seen that he can do the alchemy/voodoo that makes a team better than the sum of its parts. 
  From my perspective, the options are this.   
1.   Complain about how MU land is entitled to better teams.    Live life frustrated.
2.   Hope Wojo pulls it together in the next couple years.    Because if he can't, if he IS let go, there is going to be another 3-4 year wait  before MU returns to national relevance and there still won't be any guarantees.
3.  Root for MU with every fiber of my being, but not let my self-image rest on the team's success or failure. 
4.  Come to scoop for entertainment and occasional enlightenment.     

Breathe deeply muguru.   Do it again.    Close your eyes and do it a third time.    (Yoda voice)  Let go of your anger, you must.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

You're still whining and entitled.  Yes or no, fire wojo if he fails to make the postseason.  If your answer is yes, you are likely signing up for another 3-4 years of frustration after the inevitable transfers and defections.   So, your solution, please.

Exactly.  I'm not sure Wojo is the answer but firing him after this year means starting from scratch AGAIN.

Put me down for cautiously optimistic. Markus and Sam are really good.  Hopefully Joey follows Sam.  Cain and Bailey are intriguing.  I'll give Wojo some time.

I'm also one of those fans that doesn't let the performance of my sports team determine my happiness.  At least not since my infant son died four years ago.  The Fail Mary game happened on my birthday while my son was at Children's Hospital of WI.  I watched the game at the Ronald McDonald House.  After the Packers lost, I turned off the TV, sighed, and went for a short walk.

So excuse me for being a "loser".  I still celebrate every win but every loss my sports teams endure is shrugged off.  Yes, I want the Packers to win the Super Bowl and Marquette to make the tournament this year. But I care much more about my wife, my 3 year old son, and my 2 month old daughter.

#Perspective

[Galway Eagle]

No, you didn't have to be thinking you were going to wipe the floor with with everyone, but if you went into your first match EXPECTING to lose...that would be the definition of irrationally competitive. No competitor, or serious competitor that i have ever been around, EXPECTS to lose, and when they do, they don't get over it in a few hours(or less). Losing should sting, it should hurt like hell, and it shouldn't take just a few hours to move past it. MU fans have just become way to passive. No competitiveness in them. When I hear "What did you expect when we were playing the #1 team in the country, no one expected us to win". That's a defeatist attitude and reeks of small time basketball. Now if you are Morgan State and playing North Carolina, yeah, you can think that way. It's so sad how meteoric MU's fall has been, how completely irrelevant in the college BB landscape they have become, when 4 years ago, it was completely different. What's even worse is how many MU fans have accepted it, shrug their shoulders and simply say "it happens".

Ok so I'm confused here. Are you upset because we as fans are not being competitive enough? You're right us fans need to get our act together and get more fired up for game day, especially road games because that's when us watching at the bar or on our TVs really make a difference! Listen, when I was a student I was all on your side saying the other students in the section or the alumni needed to be louder and get more into the game but you acting as though getting fired up about things that are out of our control is basically telling everyone you want them to be miserable.

As far as the boxing thing I think you're missing the point that I'm making stating you're very misguided about younger generations, yes little league does participation trophies but you should probably step back and realize not everyone plays little league, hell my other sport was lacrosse and unless you consider a lax pinny a participation trophy then there was absolutely none of that either.

[jesmu84]

Nope, it's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Hmm...

Again in 3 years under Wojo there has not been one good win, and the ones brewcity cites earlier in the thread are not considered "good wins". They are wins that a school like Savannah State should be ecstatic to have, at Marquette, they should be expected. But the simple fact that the last 3 years, they are considered GOOD WINS FOR MU...that's a problem. A good win to me would be going into Nova and winning, winning at Creighton, a win that has some relevance, or a win that puts them over the top for an NCAA bid...none of those wins that MU has had in 3 years has meant squat during that particular season.

I'm very confused by your definition of a good/big win. You seem to be minimizing any wins MU has had in the last few years. It appears the only time a win would be big/good is one that gets us into the NCAAs... but a single win would never do that (unless it's a BET championship game)

[muguru]

Exactly.  I'm not sure Wojo is the answer but firing him after this year means starting from scratch AGAIN.

Put me down for cautiously optimistic. Markus and Sam are really good.  Hopefully Joey follows Sam.  Cain and Bailey are intriguing.  I'll give Wojo some time.

I'm also one of those fans that doesn't let the performance of my sports team determine my happiness.  At least not since my infant son died four years ago.  The Fail Mary game happened on my birthday while my son was at Children's Hospital of WI.  I watched the game at the Ronald McDonald House.  After the Packers lost, I turned off the TV, sighed, and went for a short walk.

So excuse me for being a "loser".  I still celebrate every win but every loss my sports teams endure is shrugged off.  Yes, I want the Packers to win the Super Bowl and Marquette to make the tournament this year. But I care much more about my wife, my 3 year old son, and my 2 month old daughter.

#Perspective

I am truly sorry for your loss..and i can see why your perspective is completely different then mine. I don't begrudge you that. But honestly..I'd love to have an outlet like you do...a wife and two kids to care about so I didn't have to invest so much emotionally into MU basketball. I'd trade places with you or anyone in the same situation in a heartbeat.

[Lennys Tap]

Luke's issues can't be fixed at this point.   He lacks lateral quickness.   The 'quick fix' wasn't going to happen because the powers wanted the anti-Buzz.   I'm not sold on Wojo yet.   I see hope and I can see the plan, but I have not yet seen that he can do the alchemy/voodoo that makes a team better than the sum of its parts. 
  From my perspective, the options are this.   
1.   Complain about how MU land is entitled to better teams.    Live life frustrated.
2.   Hope Wojo pulls it together in the next couple years.    Because if he can't, if he IS let go, there is going to be another 3-4 year wait  before MU returns to national relevance and there still won't be any guarantees.
3.  Root for MU with every fiber of my being, but not let my self-image rest on the team's success or failure. 
4.  Come to scoop for entertainment and occasional enlightenment.     

Breathe deeply muguru.   Do it again.    Close your eyes and do it a third time.    (Yoda voice)  Let go of your anger, you must.

Agree on all points except "the quick fix wasn't going to happen because the powers that be wanted the anti Buzz". We've had three one year players in three years of Wojo and unsuccessfully went after a bunch more. We had one in six years under Buzz.

[naginiF]

You seem like the Jock's dad in the breakfast club. Someone who's conviced they're the world's best athlete and needs to "win" at all costs. Did you kids tape Larry's buttcheeks together?

But more seriously there's being competitive, I'm competitive and have two of 6 golden gloves championships to show for it. But then there's irrationally competitive, that would have been me going into that first one when I'd just started boxing and expecting to wipe the floor with everyone or my last one fighting on a injured knee expecting to win... that's how you come off...irrational

I was thinking more "Bull" Meechum, aka The Great Santini.  Every generation that sees itself loosing influence and power to the next generation complains that their usurpers had it easier than they did (btw i'm 50).  And every time that claim is based in arrogance or ignorance - the next few generations are going to do just as good and bad as the last few.

As far as MU basketball, and life, is concerned i don't think the ceiling is as high as most people see it and i don't think we are nearly as bad as most people see it.  We're improving, it appears we're doing it the right way, and we're doing it in a way that could last.  Do i want more?  always.  With things that are in my control i act on them in a rational way, with things out of my control, i.e. mubb, i'm objectively rational about my reaction.

[muguru]

Hmm...

I'm very confused by your definition of a good/big win. You seem to be minimizing any wins MU has had in the last few years. It appears the only time a win would be big/good is one that gets us into the NCAAs... but a single win would never do that (unless it's a BET championship game)

The bottom line is, it's truly sad that we as MU fans have to even be thinking about how many wins it would take to get into the NCAA's or if they can squeeze in. I miss the days under Buzz when the season started you KNEW they were going to the NCAA's(barring a monumental disaster), and were basically playing the season for seeding. Now THAT's relaxing and comforting as a fan.

[tower912]

Agree on all points except "the quick fix wasn't going to happen because the powers that be wanted the anti Buzz". We've had three one year players in three years of Wojo and unsuccessfully went after a bunch more. We had one in six years under Buzz.

Not the interpretation I was going for, but I understand what you mean.    So I will concede it to you.   

[Goose]

I have lost too much interest to whine.

[Galway Eagle]

I was thinking more "Bull" Meechum, aka The Great Santini.  Every generation that sees itself loosing influence and power to the next generation complains that their usurpers had it easier than they did (btw i'm 50).  And every time that claim is based in arrogance or ignorance - the next few generations are going to do just as good and bad as the last few.

haha

Emilio Estevez's monologue go to 2:50 and tell me that it doesn't fit muguru perfectly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ZyYtoKuUs

[muguru]

I have lost too much interest to whine.

This is a problem, because you aren't alone in this...Honestly after being a season ticket holder for 14 years and donating to B & G fund, and MU being my biggest passion...I'm about ready to walk away myself, as hard as it may be for me..I just can't take the losing anymore, and honestly, I don't see the hope others do. I don't think Wojo was the right choice..after the admin got shunned by Mrs Shaka, Wojo felt like a "give up" choice. Like MU had finally relented and decided they could only be small time from now on. I loved Chords and everything he did for MU, he made a lot of great hires, but I don't think this was one of them. And it saddens me that this admin, and certainly the previous one doesn't have the same high hopes/expectations for the BB program that previous regimes did. Now, they are too worried about their image over all else.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I am truly sorry for your loss..and i can see why your perspective is completely different then mine. I don't begrudge you that. But honestly..I'd love to have an outlet like you do...a wife and two kids to care about so I didn't have to invest so much emotionally into MU basketball. I'd trade places with you or anyone in the same situation in a heartbeat.

I used to live and die with my team.  I'd scoff anytime someone said "It's just sports."  I was probably a lot like you.

Thanks for your condolences.  You are right about how blessed I am to have a loving family.

[naginiF]

haha

Emilio Estevez's monologue go to 2:50 and tell me that it doesn't fit muguru perfectly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ZyYtoKuUs

I see your Emilio Estevez and raise you a Robert Duvall (through the 4 min mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCGjFPMKKA

[Dr. Blackheart]

No matta how you express it or your circumstance or generation or experience, we all share one thing:  A passion for MU basketball.  Lots of preaching going on (guilty), but just understand we all want the same thing, ai-na?

[jesmu84]

The bottom line is, it's truly sad that we as MU fans have to even be thinking about how many wins it would take to get into the NCAA's or if they can squeeze in. I miss the days under Buzz when the season started you KNEW they were going to the NCAA's(barring a monumental disaster), and were basically playing the season for seeding. Now THAT's relaxing and comforting as a fan.

No. That's not the bottom line. You made a statement. Someone provided an example that you dismissed (because it proved you wrong on one point in your rant). I asked you to provide examples of what you meant and you couldn't.

It's fine to be wrong. I have no problem with your underlying premise your original post. Just take your lumps and move on.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

No matta how you express it or your circumstance or generation or experience, we all share one thing:  A passion for MU basketball.  Lots of preaching going on (guilty), but just understand we all want the same thing, ai-na?

Yes sir - Certainly a lot more fun talking about what went right in a win.

[muguru]

No. That's not the bottom line. You made a statement. Someone provided an example that you dismissed (because it proved you wrong on one point in your rant). I asked you to provide examples of what you meant and you couldn't.

It's fine to be wrong. I have no problem with your underlying premise your original post. Just take your lumps and move on.

Fine, if you are going to pick nits..I wasn't clear enough what i said about a Creighton win being a big win..IF they won at Creighton this year and did what they were supposed to do the rest of the way...yes, that one win could be the one that got them in the NCAA's. Thus, how many said, if MU barely misses, losing that game at SHU will cost them at the end of the year. One game can make a difference. Regardless, my point was any win that ends up being big enough to get them into the NCAAs is a big win. Ebven winning at Providence last year didn't do that for them...this team is better and one game COULD make the difference this year..that game is Creighton.

[Galway Eagle]

Fine, if you are going to pick nits..I wasn't clear enough what i said about a Creighton win being a big win..IF they won at Creighton this year and did what they were supposed to do the rest of the way...yes, that one win could be the one that got them in the NCAA's. Thus, how many said, if MU barely misses, losing that game at SHU will cost them at the end of the year. One game can make a difference. Regardless, my point was any win that ends up being big enough to get them into the NCAAs is a big win. Ebven winning at Providence last year didn't do that for them...this team is better and one game COULD make the difference this year..that game is Creighton.

So out of curiosity if we only beat the other middling teams and low teams and sneak into the ncaa tournament without a program defining win will you be upset?

[MU82]

But honestly..I'd love to have an outlet like you do...a wife and two kids to care about so I didn't have to invest so much emotionally into MU basketball. I'd trade places with you or anyone in the same situation in a heartbeat.

Your rant about "these kids today with their trophies and their carefree attitudes are what's ruining the world" was a classic. Are you sure you're not some 81-year-old curmudgeon?

I coach middle-school girls basketball at a "smart school." I have had kids miss games for Robotics, Science Decathlon and Mock Trial competitions.

But let me tell you, these girls HATE losing. They take it personally. They care deeply. They even want to win the smallest competitions and drills we have in practice, let alone the games themselves. And they don't get trophies just for participating.

And I have a feeling they are a lot more typical than "these kids today" that you whine and rant about.

[real chili 83]

What an effin' headache. No excuse for Saturday.  None.

Anyone been ice fishing yet?  How's the new vexilar camera?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I give him a pass for the first year...but the 2nd year with an all american, can't give him a pass for that.. Obviously there is no way of saying for certain, but I feel confident in saying Buzz and a handful of other coaches would have had that team in the NCAAs, or close to it, and if they would have just missed, they sure as hell would have been in the NIT.

It's already water under the bridge, but I would have gone with the "quick fix" option. As i have said, numerous times, there are no guarantees for the future...when you have a chance to win, you do it NOW because it may not happen for awhile again. Now, I will say..I do love having a team that can shoot like this MU team can, and I believe they have the talent to get in the NCAA's(but i also though that last year). My BIGGEST problem is the lack of creativity as a Coach Wojo shows, and the fact that he apparently has no clue how to hide players deficiencies. That's a problem. He talks all the time about him needing to do a better job of putting the team in the best position to win...and yet, he rarely makes great in game adjustments, he will not switch things up if something isn't working, and has NO idea, absolutely none how to hide players deficiencies. Someone said it in a different thread..Luke has had problems on defense since Wojo took over...yet Wojo seems to have no idea how to fix those issues, or at least hide them so they stop recurring time and time again.

This is twice you've alluded to a "quick fix" option but haven't explained what those quick fixes are.

[real chili 83]

This is twice you've alluded to a "quick fix" option but haven't explained what those quick fixes are.

Why feed the troll?

[geps]

Love to see the whinin' on the GT board.

[jesmu84]

Fine