i hope this doesn't backfire on jae

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Boston fans are certainly passionate and all 4 teams have been successful lately so there has been a lot to cheer about (or be obnoxious about, depends on your point of view). I respect other passionate fan bases that others may dislike like Philly, Pittsburgh, cardinals, red wings, fans just to name a few examples that come to mind. The fan bases that bother me are bandwagon fan bases like the Cubs, Blackhawks, Seahawks, Warriors, panthers(last year), heat (with big 3). To each his own

I hate the Cubs but I don't think they are a bandwagon fan base. There was always an army of Cubs' jerseys at every Cubs Brewers series, even when the Cubbies sucked.

The Blackhawks on the other hand....

[tower912]

The Lions have fans?

[Galway Eagle]

I hate the Cubs but I don't think they are a bandwagon fan base. There was always an army of Cubs' jerseys at every Cubs Brewers series, even when the Cubbies sucked.

The Blackhawks on the other hand....

The Blackhawks it's hard to judge what is a bandwagon fan now. I mean I readily admit my first season following hockey was in 08-09 when we lost to Detroit in the Conference finals... that was 8 years ago now so at that point I was a bandwagon fan but we've had three cups and another conference finals appearance worth of bandwagon fans since so who is still considered a bandwagon fan for them?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I hate the Cubs but I don't think they are a bandwagon fan base. There was always an army of Cubs' jerseys at every Cubs Brewers series, even when the Cubbies sucked.

The Blackhawks on the other hand....

In defense of some Blackhawks "bandwagon" fans, that was a horribly run organization for a long time that was not very fan friendly and fandom has to start at some point.  I do get where you are coming from though.

A Red Sox fan using the Cubs in that example is laughable, however.  And I have nothing against Boston or the Red Sox.   

[reinko]

Living in Boston the last 12 years, while they have their share of obnoxious fans, by and large fans are fairly tame. 

That said, the largest % of meatheads of any Boston fan base is certainly the Celtics.

[jutaw22mu]

I like how Jae responded to that both on and off the court.  It was absolutely a personal slight against him and he has every right to vent about it (especially if he vents after playing as strongly as he did).

The Boston fan base is a sad group of people who regularly cheer on star opposition players thinking it will lure them in the offseason. It didn't work for Kevin Love, nor did it work for Kevin Durant, and probably won't work for Gordon Hayward.

But if it does, and Jae lends up leaving Boston, he will have a place on an NBA team. Maybe even a better one than the Celtics.

[Galway Eagle]

I like how Jae responded to that both on and off the court.  It was absolutely a personal slight against him and he has every right to vent about it (especially if he vents after playing as strongly as he did).

The Boston fan base is a sad group of people who regularly cheer on star opposition players thinking it will lure them in the offseason. It didn't work for Kevin Love, nor did it work for Kevin Durant, and probably won't work for Gordon Hayward.

But if it does, and Jae lends up leaving Boston, he will have a place on an NBA team. Maybe even a better one than the Celtics.

I vote Bulls, there's not enough MU alumni on the team

[GGGG]

Boston fans are certainly passionate and all 4 teams have been successful lately so there has been a lot to cheer about (or be obnoxious about, depends on your point of view). I respect other passionate fan bases that others may dislike like Philly, Pittsburgh, cardinals, red wings, fans just to name a few examples that come to mind. The fan bases that bother me are bandwagon fan bases like the Cubs, Blackhawks, Seahawks, Warriors, panthers(last year), heat (with big 3). To each his own

In 1992, the Patriots were dead last in the NFL when it came to home attendance.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1992/attendance.htm

Two years later, when Bill Parcells took over, they increased their attendance by 20,000 per game and moved about halfway up the list.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1994/attendance.htm

Boston fans can bandwagon with the best of them.


And the Blackhawks aren't huge bandwaggoners.  They always had near sellouts both at the Stadium and when they initially moved to the UC.  It was only about a ten year stretch when their attendance really sagged.

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=5218


The moral of the story?  Most fanbases have bandwaggon fans.  Every Packer fan knows how much easier it is to get a cheap ticket when the team is doing poorly. 

[MUBurrow]

Here are Steven's thoughts. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18407208/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-surprised-jae-crowder-fan-comments


Pretty much what you'd expect, but I think the quote below captures it most. To me, it reads "Boston, please don't Bahstahn out on him for this."

"To be honest, I was somewhat surprised to read what he said and tweeted. I told him that this morning because, every day that he comes in, you can tell that he's thankful to be a Celtic, and every time we have that talk about how you represent Boston as an athlete and how tough you have to be to be well-liked here, I've always thought that Jae represented the best of that. I was surprised but I think his body of work over the last two years is a better example of his appreciation for where he is and obviously playing here. I love what he brings to our team and I think that everybody would agree with me on that. I think it's just an emotional reaction, and onward we move."

[MerrittsMustache]

Now seems like the appropriate time to drop this in...

[Celtic Truth]

So if Boston sports are successful they're passionate but if Chicago sports are successful they're bandwagon? lol

I dated a girl from Dorchester (or southie to you people) for 3yrs and we went to every Bulls celtics and Hawks Bruins game (minus the stanley cup) and I was treated like crap at both. The one Sox vs Sox game people were nice to me but were considerably more vulgar to the players. So I stand by my assessment that Boston fans are the worst in the country (minus pats though there was no Patriots vs Packers game for me to base that off of)

I have no problems with Bears, white sox, or bulls fans. the Blackhawks and Cubs have some great fans sure, but some, especially in the marquette demographic (lake county, 18-22 white ppl) are embarrassing. I have friends who are real fans who can't stand the bandwagoners.

Also, Dorchester and Southie are 2 different neighborhoods.

What were you wearing and how were you acting at those Boston games? maybe that had something to do with it. I've always been treated just fine.

Quick story: in about 2003 my family and I were down in NYC and stopped by the old Yankees stadium. It wasn't during a game day so it was quiet and we just wanted to walk around. My brothers and I were between 4-11 years old and wearing Red Sox shirts. We were outside of the pro shop when three locals started giving us a hard time. They were just hanging around in the middle of the day smoking and drinking out of brown paper bags. We started going back and forth a little bit then took off once my little brother asked them "what are u gunna do, shoot me". We didn't leave there thinning "wow, Yankees fans are so mean". I thought we got what we asked for and it was a positive experience in my mind, it was fun talking sh*t and enjoying the rivalry. I appreciate the culture and passion the ppl of the south Bronx feel towards the Yankees. It makes things more fun. It gives character. So I hope ppl appreciate Boston, the locals, and sports fans for who we are. It's a unique culture. If someone talks sh*t to you for wearing a different teams jersey that doesn't mean they're a bad person. They're just breaking your balls. Ppl don't pride themselves on being what I call "fake nice". Quite the opposite really, respect needs to be earned to some extent.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The Lions have fans?

In 2011 they did. Went to the thanksgiving game in Detroit, the infamous Suh Turkey Stomp game. Had beer dumped on me, got cussed out repeatedly, and got my fair share of shoves, shoulder bumps and one hit to the back of the head. The sad thing was that I was at the game with my 8 year old cousin who was there in his Lions jersey, took him as a Christmas present. It's one thing to harass an opposing fan, it's worse to do it in front of a kid.

Like I said, possibly an isolated indecent but it left an impression

[Dish]

I thought it would have been brought up by now, and I certainly don't want to be that guy that gets this thread on the way to Lock-City, but I don't think the history of that particular city and who they decide hardest to cheer for (home or away), is circumstantial here.

[mayfairskatingrink]

No.   If you have an opinion, state it proudly and own it.  Live with the consequences.   We do it here all of the time.   Why should an athlete not be allowed to state an opinion?     And so what if it doesn't gibe with yours or mine?     We need more of it and not less.

Why do we need more of it?

[mayfairskatingrink]

I thought it would have been brought up by now, and I certainly don't want to be that guy that gets this thread on the way to Lock-City, but I don't think the history of that particular city and who they decide hardest to cheer for (home or away), is circumstantial here.

Yeah, Boston didn't appreciate Big Papi because he's black.

Some people will cry "racism" about anything.

[Golden Avalanche]

Yeah, Boston didn't appreciate Big Papi because he's black.

Some people will cry "racism" about anything.

You proved MUDish's point. Ortiz isn't black. He's Dominican.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

It was on highly questionable today. One of them made a pretty funny comment (think it was Boomani) saying that Jae could always go play for the Patriots.

[tower912]

Why do we need more of it?

Why wouldn't we?

[Galway Eagle]

I have no problems with Bears, white sox, or bulls fans. the Blackhawks and Cubs have some great fans sure, but some, especially in the marquette demographic (lake county, 18-22 white ppl) are embarrassing. I have friends who are real fans who can't stand the bandwagoners.

Also, Dorchester and Southie are 2 different neighborhoods.

What were you wearing and how were you acting at those Boston games? maybe that had something to do with it. I've always been treated just fine.

Quick story: in about 2003 my family and I were down in NYC and stopped by the old Yankees stadium. It wasn't during a game day so it was quiet and we just wanted to walk around. My brothers and I were between 4-11 years old and wearing Red Sox shirts. We were outside of the pro shop when three locals started giving us a hard time. They were just hanging around in the middle of the day smoking and drinking out of brown paper bags. We started going back and forth a little bit then took off once my little brother asked them "what are u gunna do, shoot me". We didn't leave there thinning "wow, Yankees fans are so mean". I thought we got what we asked for and it was a positive experience in my mind, it was fun talking sh*t and enjoying the rivalry. I appreciate the culture and passion the ppl of the south Bronx feel towards the Yankees. It makes things more fun. It gives character. So I hope ppl appreciate Boston, the locals, and sports fans for who we are. It's a unique culture. If someone talks sh*t to you for wearing a different teams jersey that doesn't mean they're a bad person. They're just breaking your balls. Ppl don't pride themselves on being what I call "fake nice". Quite the opposite really, respect needs to be earned to some extent.

I'm quite confident if it was the early 90s you'd be calling bills fans band wagoners as well. Of course you're gonna find band wagon fans in lake county, are you saying there's no bandwagon bruins or six fans just across the boarder in New Hampshire?

You're right on that, it's been a solid two or so years so I only remember her calling herself a southie girl b/c where she grew up. Got my neighborhoods crossed.

As far as your Bronx experience goes fair play to you, but I stand by my assessment that the Boston fans at the celtics and bruins games were the worst.

[rocket surgeon]

Here are Steven's thoughts. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18407208/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-surprised-jae-crowder-fan-comments


Pretty much what you'd expect, but I think the quote below captures it most. To me, it reads "Boston, please don't Bahstahn out on him for this."

"To be honest, I was somewhat surprised to read what he said and tweeted. I told him that this morning because, every day that he comes in, you can tell that he's thankful to be a Celtic, and every time we have that talk about how you represent Boston as an athlete and how tough you have to be to be well-liked here, I've always thought that Jae represented the best of that. I was surprised but I think his body of work over the last two years is a better example of his appreciation for where he is and obviously playing here. I love what he brings to our team and I think that everybody would agree with me on that. I think it's just an emotional reaction, and onward we move."

imho-i think jae is a better fit for the celtics than hayward.  who is hayward going to take the points from?  i think he would cannibalize their team.  jae is actually a more efficient shooter and tougher inside when he has to be.  plays bigger than his listed 6'6".  his payday is coming.  would love to have him on my team.  i think he still appreciates where he came from. just sounded a little out of character to beef.  i'm sure he was thinking out loud and some reporter stuck a mic in his face and he was incredibly honest.  i don't think steven's comments were the kiss of see ya buh bye.  his departure from the celts would be someone elses huge gain. he'd look pretty good in deer colors, 'ey?

[mayfairskatingrink]

You proved MUDish's point. Ortiz isn't black. He's Dominican.

And if Boston fans were so racist, would it matter?  He's not white, so they would never warm to the guy, right?

Racism driving this Crowder controversy is a figment of your SJW mind.

[Golden Avalanche]

And if Boston fans were so racist, would it matter?  He's not white, so they would never warm to the guy, right?

Racism driving this Crowder controversy is a figment of your SJW mind.

Sure it matters. Bostonians don't have a history of issues with Latin athletes.

[MU82]

1. I like to think there's no racism involved, but I admit it did cross my mind.

2. It absolutely was an insult to Jae and I don't blame him one iota for perceiving it as one.

3. The athlete rarely "wins" these kinds of "wars" with fans, but Jae has the kind of game that any true fan should love, as well as a winning personality. It's also possible Jae doesn't care if fans don't like that he was insulted by the cheers for Hayward. Jae has a team-friendly contract, and a dozen teams (maybe more) would be happy to trade for him.

4. Jae should know better than to use a tweet to take a poke at Boston fans. I mean, tweets are supposed to be used by the president-elect to escalate arms races, to insult Gold Star families and to fat-shame former beauty-pageant contestants.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Racism driving this Crowder controversy is a figment of your SJW mind.

Side comment. I never understood why Social Justice Warrior is used as an insult. Especially by Marquette alums. 1. The tile of warrior is one of the highest compliments you can gave a Marquette fan. 2. If you asked any Jesuit what their order is about, they would say social justice. So why is a Warrior who fights for the highest ideals of the Jesuits a bad thing?

[Benny B]

Jae still has 3 years left on his contract, which is guaranteed @ (6.7, 7.3, & 7.8 million) so he is no danger from a financial standpoint.  In today's league and salary cap Jae is a bargain, if he were to put on the open market, I agree he is probably a 12-14 million dollar a year player.

Probably just self-motivating himself, and look what we did, 5/6 from from 3pt, and 21 pts.

One would think with that kind of coin, Jae would have bought a keyboard with a working Caps Lock key by now.