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geps

Man if he even had one basket today could have made a difference. Defensively seems as intense as ever just can't get the O going.

Markusquette

Announcers made a good point that our opponents are figuring him out more.  Haanif's struggled to finish when he drives.  Shots look out of control lately.  Any young player will get into a slump but his is lasting too long and it's a bit disconcerting. 

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: Ellenson_toMU14 on January 01, 2017, 06:14:10 PM
Announcers made a good point that our opponents are figuring him out more.  Haanif's struggled to finish when he drives.  Shots look out of control lately.  Any young player will get into a slump but his is lasting too long and it's a bit disconcerting.
He still has no right hand.  Not hard to stop if he can't use his right.  Was hoping he would have improved that over the off season.

goldeneagle91114

Quote from: gepsguys on January 01, 2017, 06:11:09 PM
Man if he even had one basket today could have made a difference. Defensively seems as intense as ever just can't get the O going.

I really feel bad for the kid right now. The effort is there, but he is in a dangerous slump. Wojo seemed to use the non-conference portion of the schedule to see if he could work his way through it, but we won't be able to play 4 on 5 at the offensive end in the BE. I know people will say I'm a chicken little, but this looks very similar to Sandy last year. I think Cheatham has time to right the ship, but he is headed in the wrong direction.


tower912

Nowhere near Sandy yet.   HC is still doing everything else right.   He just needs to see one go in.   Everybody needs a slumpbuster from time to time. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Markusquette

Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 01, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
I really feel bad for the kid right now. The effort is there, but he is in a dangerous slump. Wojo seemed to use the non-conference portion of the schedule to see if he could work his way through it, but we won't be able to play 4 on 5 at the offensive end in the BE. I know people will say I'm a chicken little, but this looks very similar to Sandy last year. I think Cheatham has time to right the ship, but he is headed in the wrong direction.

I think he's pretty hard on himself too.  Any mistakes keep affecting his confidence.  He needs a couple good games offensively to break out of the slump.  Haanif proved he could play in the BE last year unlike Sandy, so I'm hopeful he will turn it around.

blikemike2

Until he works it out Wojo has to cut HC's minutes, his stats this year are mostly against our non-con cupcakes. Reinhardt needs more minutes, HC plays good defense but his 29 unproductive mins and missed layup tonight really really hurt us.

tower912

Without Duane, with Luke and Matt splitting time at the 5, Howard and Rowsey splitting time at the one, and 120 minutes to divvy up between 4 guys at the 2-3-4, what options did Wojo have?    Play the midgets together?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brandx

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 01, 2017, 06:15:12 PM
He still has no right hand.  Not hard to stop if he can't use his right.  Was hoping he would have improved that over the off season.

And no mid-range game at all.

Dr. Blackheart

This is no t new.  HC laps up the cupcakes and is mediocre to a abysmal against Top 100 teams.  Needs to dimensionalize his game.  Too heads down predictable.  Regressing.

tower912

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2017, 06:40:01 PM
This is no t new.  HC laps up the cupcakes and is mediocre to a abysmal against Top 100 teams.  Needs to dimensionalize his game.  Too heads down predictable.  Regressing.
In a slump.   Now near the top of the other team's scouting report and it is an easy scout.   They have adjusted to him, he needs to adjust to them now.    And he needs to see something go in.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

jutaw22mu

Quote from: gepsguys on January 01, 2017, 06:11:09 PM
Man if he even had one basket today could have made a difference. Defensively seems as intense as ever just can't get the O going.

That pass to Hauser was pretty sweet though. HC proved that he belongs on the floor in the BE, he will break out of the slump. Would have been nice if the refs would have called the foul on the missed lay-up....

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 06:42:04 PM
In a slump.   Now near the top of the other team's scouting report and it is an easy scout.   They have adjusted to him, he needs to adjust to them now.    And he needs to see something go in.

Pomeroy disagrees.  Two year slump then.

tower912

#13
At the end of last year, the possibility that he could graduate as MU's all time leading scorer was a topic of discussion. So the slump couldn't have been too damned bad.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

geps

Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 06:43:03 PM
That pass to Hauser was pretty sweet though. HC proved that he belongs on the floor in the BE, he will break out of the slump. Would have been nice if the refs would have called the foul on the missed lay-up....
Your'e right that basket might as well have counted for HC. Great decision on his part.

ecompt

When Duane comes back, HC should be down to 10 minutes a game. No right hand, no jump shot, same move every time. Took people by surprise last year, now people know his one move.

tower912

I marvel at the willingness of people to give up on a slumping sophomore.  Or freshman.  Ridonkulous
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brewcity77

Cheatham still does plenty well. Maybe he should take fewer shots, but we need him contributing in other ways. We don't have the depth to ignore anyone on this roster.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 06:42:04 PM
In a slump.   Now near the top of the other team's scouting report and it is an easy scout.   They have adjusted to him, he needs to adjust to them now.    And he needs to see something go in.

If I'm the other team's scout, Cheatham is near the bottom of my report (beneath JJJ, Luke, Howard, Rowsey and Reinhardt). It would read: play off of him, make him beat you from deep or from midrange. Exclusively left handed. Switch on to him if he beats his man as he often gets out of control/airborne and has trouble finishing.

MUfan12

I think you have to look at staggering Haanif and JJ's minutes. Haanif doesn't get the ball in great positions to attack when he's on the floor with Jajuan. They run nice action on the curl for JJ that (in theory) should benefit him, as it gets him attacking a defender that's coming off a screen, or a switch. I'd love to flip the floor and see if they can get Haanif onto his left.

He obviously misses Henry as well. He'd draw the post out a bit, and the baseline drive was much more open for Haanif.

Frenns Liquor Depot

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Quote from: MUfan12 on January 01, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
He obviously misses Henry as well. He'd draw the post out a bit, and the baseline drive was much more open for Haanif.

Replace Henry with Leader and we have figured out the puzzle.  HC is a solid defender and had a great offensive year by being the 3/4 option (role player). 

HC is not the next leading MU scorer without a lot of work and the benefit of other scoring options on the team.

I agree with 4never that this team needs talent - it's on Wojo that it has taken so long - but at least it's going in the right direction (Sam/Markus)

wadesworld

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 01, 2017, 08:51:11 PM
Replace Henry with Leader and we have figured out the puzzle.  HC is a solid defender and had a great offensive year by being the 3/4 option (role player). 

HC is not the next leading MU scorer without a lot of work and the benefit of other scoring options on the team.

I agree with 4never that this team needs talent - it's on Wojo that it has taken so long - but at least it's going in the right direction (Sam/Markus)

How soon were you expecting it to come in? This freshman class is Wojo's second recruiting class at MU...

Markus, Sam, and Hank are all big time hits that just about any program in the country would take. Haanif is okay. Matt is a project big and Sacar is a project guard. Rowsey will be a good 2 year contributor.

mayfairskatingrink

It's not a slump.

HC basically has that one move and now the opponents stop it.

One made basket won't do a thing unless he adds to his game.

Frenns Liquor Depot

Quote from: wadesworld on January 01, 2017, 09:03:28 PM
How soon were you expecting it to come in? This freshman class is Wojo's second recruiting class at MU...

Markus, Sam, and Hank are all big time hits that just about any program in the country would take. Haanif is okay. Matt is a project big and Sacar is a project guard. Rowsey will be a good 2 year contributor.

Rowsey is a role player.  This is not a Wojo thread but his ability to get/retain a dominant PF over the past 3 years stinks.  Additionally he has not upgraded the JJJ position. 3 years is an eternity in college Bball -- lucklily we are a patient bunch.

Lennys Tap

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Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 07:47:53 PM
Cheatham still does plenty well. Maybe he should take fewer shots, but we need him contributing in other ways. We don't have the depth to ignore anyone on this roster.

How quickly things change. Six weeks ago Sacar decided to redshirt because he couldn't crack our deep 11 man rotation. Two transfers and one injury later we're dangerously thin.

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