Wojo has to go

[jutaw22mu]

Loss on March 5, 2011 under Buzz.

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/sh_03_05_11

Now.  Just stop being dumb.

Thanks. I will take back that we dominated them.

And I will concede that our performance this year vs them was much better than last years performances. But we need to beat them.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Was it two? Okay, we went to 2 elite eights.  Have we made the tournament once under Wojo?

There is no fucking way they let a moron like you near Yale, unless you clean up after everybody.

[jutaw22mu]

One elite 8.   Two sweet 16's.    Don't post angry.   Makes all your graduate degrees seem worthless.

Man those Buzz years seemed better in my memory than they actually were. Although 2 sweet 16s and one elite eight is not bad, but definitely not 3 elite eights.  I still miss the Hillbilly!

[connie]

Your opinion is contradicted by the facts. I am certain Wojo was not telling or teaching the horrible failure to box out we showed towards the end.  That is on the players.  In your world, I suppose Wojo huddles the team and says:

"OK guys, great effort for 39:20.  Now we got 40 seconds left.  Make sure you fail to box out on free throws, and then commit a stupid foul so we can give them all kinds of extra possessions before time runs out."

[brewcity77]

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I have a PhD in Chemistry and work at Yale.

How'd you get that PhD without any math classes?

[🏀]

Was it two? Okay, we went to 2 elite eights.  Have we made the tournament once under Wojo?

[1SE]

No.
Markus missed an open look at a 3.   Not Wojo's fault.
Luke misses a dunk off a great set.   Not Wojo's fault.
Haanif misses a lay up.  Fouled?   Not Wojo's fault.
Sam goes for the hero play and tries to draw a charge.   Not Wojo's fault.
Luke, Sam, and JJ fail to secure rebounds on missed free throws and then commit dumb fouls.    Not Wojo's fault.
JjJ tries to split a double team and gets stripped.    Just JjJ being JjJ.   Lord knows, Wojo has tried.   
Rowsey and Howard run up the floor next to each other near the sideline.    I am sure that is how Wojo drew it up.   

A series of failures.    Not one time did an upperclassman step up.    JjJ tried, sort of, on offense.   

This was a failure of on-court leadership.

Last 40 seconds

We'll just have to disagree on Hauser's foul. That's entirely coachable. You don't go for the "hero charge" when you're up 3 in that situation. If you think otherwise then I start to understand why you're such a Wojo fan.

JjJ's "drive" - ok, Wojo has tried, but that he hasn't been effective isn't his fault? Nor did he call a timeout to set up the final play when the shot clock was dead. Both coach failures.

Bringing the ball up on the last possession - a 10 second drill is entirely coachable. That execution should be rote. Execution to get the look IS coachable.

Shots going in or out aren't. That's part of the game and something everyone deals with. Execution to getting to the shot is coachable and what makes great teams great. How many times do you think the Dukies run into each other bringing the ball up the court in end of game situations?

[connie]

Man those Buzz years seemed better in my memory than they actually were. Although 2 sweet 16s and one elite eight is not bad, but definitely not 3 elite eights.  I still miss the Hillbilly!

"My facts are wrong--but it won't change my opinion!"

[fjm]

I'm sorry but we have now lost 4 of the last games against Seton Hall. Seton Hall. This should absolutely cost Wojo his job. This is just plain awful.  Just saying....we NEVER lost to Seton Hall until Wojo showed up.  Time for him to go. 


We were playing the worst free throw shooting team in the league. And we kept giving them wide open looks under the basket instead of putting them on the line.  I thought this man was supposed to be smart...he graduated from Duke and was mentored by Coach K.  But he coaches without using his brain.

Dumbest person on Scoop award.

Rough loss to be sure. I guess Wojo should have laid up that shot instead of tried to dunk it. Or when Wojo threw the ball away. Or when he missed that open lay up from Katin.

[jutaw22mu]

There is no unnatural carnal knowledgeing way they let a moron like you near Yale, unless you clean up after everybody.

I guess letting morons like me work at Yale is why Harvard and MIT > Yale.

[fjm]

Man those Buzz years seemed better in my memory than they actually were. Although 2 sweet 16s and one elite eight is not bad, but definitely not 3 elite eights.  I still miss the Hillbilly!

Well you can go buy a VT shirt. He left MU. Was his choice.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I guess letting morons like me work at Yale is why Harvard and MIT > Yale.

Ok...this was a pretty good response. 

[jutaw22mu]

How'd you get that PhD without any math classes?

I took my math classes at MU during undergrad.....

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I have been hard on Wojo/this team, but this was the first game that gave me hope that things are going in the right direction.  Very serviceable defense most of the game, multiple looks on defense..zone worked in, a little edge from our guys -- namely sam.  IMO this game was lost because we didnt have the seniors/experience in the end.  We fought hard and played smart for most of the game -- first time I said that this season.

[Markusquette]

Heldt not scoring is the reason we lost.  Seton Hall did an excellent job shutting him down. 

[tower912]

Last 40 seconds

We'll just have to disagree on Hauser's foul. That's entirely coachable. You don't go for the "hero charge" when you're up 3 in that situation. If you think otherwise then I start to understand why you're such a Wojo fan.

JjJ's "drive" - ok, Wojo has tried, but that he hasn't been effective isn't his fault? Nor did he call a timeout to set up the final play when the shot clock was dead. Both coach failures.

Bringing the ball up on the last possession - a 10 second drill is entirely coachable. That execution should be rote. Execution to get the look IS coachable.

Shots going in or out aren't. That's part of the game and something everyone deals with. Execution to getting to the shot is coachable and what makes great teams great. How many times do you think the Dukies run into each other bringing the ball up the court in end of game situations?

Sam is a freshman.   He is playing his butt off.   He made a mistake in his first road conference game.    That one I can live with.   JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do?    Can't bench him.   His good is too good.   He could have called time out before JjJ's turnover, but he opted not to.   Coin flip.   A year ago, he would have called timeout.   Probably felt pretty good about his offense.     How many times have Rowsey and Howard been on the floor together this year?   They messed up.   

[real chili 83]

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I have a PhD in Chemistry and work at Yale.

Ha

[ATL MU Warrior]

I have been hard on Wojo/this team, but this was the first game that gave me hope that things are going in the right direction.  Very serviceable defense most of the game, multiple looks on defense..zone worked in, a little edge from our guys -- namely sam.  IMO this game was lost because we didnt have the seniors/experience in the end.  We fought hard and played smart for most of the game -- first time I said that this season.

We shot poorly...which led us to the unfortunate conclusion.

[rocky_warrior]

JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do?    Can't bench him.

Also hurt that Duane was not available today.  JJJ probably would have sat a few minutes today in favor of DW.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

We shot poorly...which led us to the unfortunate conclusion.

I agree - but we have been an offensive machine all year and lose to quality teams.  We shot poor and had a shot to win -- this team played different tonight in a good way IMO (despite the meltdown at the end)

Said a different way the team that played Pitt, MI & WI (and some cupcakes for that matter) would have lost a barn-burner by 10.

[Markusquette]

Also hurt that Duane was not available today.  JJJ probably would have sat a few minutes today in favor of DW.

I thought the same.  Duane is one of our better finishers and a pretty good go-to guy for buckets at the end. 

[1SE]

Sam is a freshman.   He is playing his butt off.   He made a mistake in his first road conference game.    That one I can live with.   JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do?    Can't bench him.   His good is too good.   He could have called time out before JjJ's turnover, but he opted not to.   Coin flip.   A year ago, he would have called timeout.   Probably felt pretty good about his offense.     How many times have Rowsey and Howard been on the floor together this year?   They messed up.   

I don't disagree with any of that. All I'm saying is that each one of those things is a coachable fix. There is a probability on any given play that a player will do something against what he's been coached. That probability never goes to zero, but on well-coached teams it gets pretty low. If it's pretty low, it's pretty unlikely to draw a combination of three consecutive F-ups in the final 35 seconds of a game. Teams that don't F-up multiple possessions in a row usually tend to do pretty well. This is why coaching matters and why coaching talent just isn't some uniform distribution.

But whatever, it would have been a great W to have - I guess we just have to grab one from 'Nova next week!

[ATL MU Warrior]

I agree - but we have been an offensive machine all year and lose to quality teams.  We shot poor and had a shot to win -- this team played different tonight in a good way IMO (despite the meltdown at the end)

Said a different way the team that played Pitt, MI & WI (and some cupcakes for that matter) would have lost a barn-burner by 10.

Totally agree. 

Sad part about the shooting performance is that I think there were anywhere from 4-6 wide open threes by Sam/Markus/JJJ that were good shots and just didn't go down...nothing to do with Seton Hall's defense, we just missed them. 

[tower912]

I don't disagree with any of that. All I'm saying is that each one of those things is a coachable fix. There is a probability on any given play that a player will do something against what he's been coached. That probability never goes to zero, but on well-coached teams it gets pretty low. If it's pretty low, it's pretty unlikely to draw a combination of three consecutive F-ups in the final 35 seconds of a game. Teams that don't F-up multiple possessions in a row usually tend to do pretty well. This is why coaching matters and why coaching talent just isn't some uniform distribution.

But whatever, it would have been a great W to have - I guess we just have to grab one from 'Nova next week!

And we disagree.   

[nyg]

Sam is a freshman.   He is playing his butt off.   He made a mistake in his first road conference game.    That one I can live with.   JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do?    Can't bench him.   His good is too good.   He could have called time out before JjJ's turnover, but he opted not to.   Coin flip.   A year ago, he would have called timeout.   Probably felt pretty good about his offense.     How many times have Rowsey and Howard been on the floor together this year?   They messed up.   

I agree, love to have five Sam Hausers on the floor.

If he didn't try to get charge and let him score the two, MU would have been up one with like 20 seconds to go.  That was the one that hurt and lead to the free throw debacles. But should not have even gotten to that point because Luke's dunk miss and Cheatham's layup miss would have sealed the game.