3 Remaining scholarships

[MUBigDance]

Lets recruit some tough SOB's.   Players who play like Wojo played, not the choir boy Wojo has become.    Let's get some angry guys.  Some cheap shot artists.    A Laimbeer, a Mahorn, a Rodman, an Aaron Craft, a Wojo, a Laettner, a player who belongs on a Cinci Huggins team.  We are in the F-ing Big East.    Let's get some F-ing B-Easts.   Lets get some guys that other fanbases hold in contempt and boo and throw crap at, not guys who other fanbases think about twice a year with a chuckle.

LOL!!  you almost listed the Pistons starting lineup from back in the day...also Isaiah Thomas was tough (but very unlikable  )...Dumars and the microwave were solid too. Of course we're talking the NBA champs here....not Grad students and Jucos.

[We R Final Four]

I doubt that the MU administration would rather lose with choir boys than win with Laettner 2.0.

I chalk this up entirely to Wojo not understanding the true physicality of the BE.  I think he is trying to make up for that with his 2017 class.  Remember Tillman and possibly French were possibilities too.

I'm not holding my breath that a lambeer type or an SOB or a cheap shot artist as Tower suggests is walking through that door on Wojos watch even if he eventually begins to understand the Beasts toughness and physicality.

[MUBurrow]

Is the Big East really that much more physical than the ACC? I don't think it is. We sound like Iowa football fans defending three yards and a cloud of dust as some trade secret brand of B10 football no one else could understand.

[muwarrior69]

We need "athletes". Was it just me, but St.FU's player were quicker and were getting rebounds away from Sam and Luke. We need guys who can CRASH THE BOARDS.

[lohaus]

I'm hoping Theo John fills that roll.  I've watched some of the highlights of him as a sophomore blocking McD's All-American Henry Ellenson a few times in their game.

I watch the other teams and wonder a lot where is our 6'8"-6'9" guy that just likes to rebound, finish with dunks, and block shots.  Then when you look at those other team's guys they are juniors/seniors.  So they obviously need time to develop and the willingness to stay in a program to develop instead of transfer.  Think a player like Faisal Abraham (aging myself).  Guy was limited offensively but he sure as hell made a difference defensively!

It is unrealistic to expect our interior players to compete with Big East and higher level teams when for the last two years you have a 6'4" Sandy Cohen playing the 4 position when he is a guy that played point guard in high school.  You recruit a Matt Heldt that is going to be a solid body and rotational player one day.  He is what he is though.  He isn't going to block a lot of shots or grab rebounds and just slam them home!

[Aircraftcarrier]

You have to have some players up front that can rebound,play post defense and rim protect.We have nobody at either Center or Power forward that can do that on a consistent basis.Until you get somebody you will not win playing High Major teams.I say we only win 6 or 7 games in the league this year.We can not compete up front.

[forgetful]

You have to have some players up front that can rebound,play post defense and rim protect.We have nobody at either Center or Power forward that can do that on a consistent basis.Until you get somebody you will not win playing High Major teams.I say we only win 6 or 7 games in the league this year.We can not compete up front.

Won't disagree with your assessment as it is very reasonable.  I see us getting to 9 wins though (and the NIT), and possibly stealing an extra by shooting lights out against a team we shouldn't beat to get to 10-8 and an NCAA birth.

If we had the C/PF you are talking about 10-8 may be the floor for this team.

[Let's Go Warriors]

Won't disagree with your assessment as it is very reasonable.  I see us getting to 9 wins though (and the NIT), and possibly stealing an extra by shooting lights out against a team we shouldn't beat to get to 10-8 and an NCAA birth.

If we had the C/PF you are talking about 10-8 may be the floor for this team.

I could see that too.  I could also see MU losing a few where they shoot very poorly and their Defense is... well their defense and they lose to say Depaul.

[GoldenDieners32]

I don't think wojo would want a mid season transfer

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Liambeer played at notre dame ... He can go frack himself!!!

[Nukem2]

I don't think wojo would want a mid season transfer

I suspect if the right fit came along , Wojo would take one.  Especialy if he was a solid 6'8" PF who was a freshman.

[TedBaxter]

Recruiting JUCO's and especially grad transfers can cause issue's with existing players and the only way I'd recruit either is if there is a clear spot on the roster where there is a need.  The additions of Reinhardt and Rowsey likely played a part in Carter and Cohen leaving. 

How do you plan to recruit a grad transfer when you may not know for 3-4 months whether someone is going to go that route and when they do, you've got other schools vying for the player and you really have to have an inside connection is some cases.

I don't want to speculate on JUCO's and Marquette since I don't know who they are looking at. That said, there are 3 big guys who have been at D1 schools who are now at the NJCAA D1 level.  There's a player at Salt Lake (UT) Community College who played a year at Tulane.  There's a PF/C who redshirted at Utah and who is now a freshman at New Mexico Junior College and there's VCU transfer Jonathan Nwankwo at the College of Southern Idaho.  Nwankwo redshirted as a freshman at VCU and may have 3 years left at D1 like the kid at New Mexico Junior College.

[lohaus]

Here is a question. . . .would you be happy with a Jon Harris / Osman Barro type of a player on this team?  Is that what type of player you are looking at? 

Realistically, someone like that probably would help this team a lot.  Back in their time, a lot where focused so much on what they couldn't do instead of what they did bring to the table.

[wadesworld]

Recruiting JUCO's and especially grad transfers can cause issue's with existing players and the only way I'd recruit either is if there is a clear spot on the roster where there is a need.  The additions of Reinhardt and Rowsey likely played a part in Carter and Cohen leaving. 

How do you plan to recruit a grad transfer when you may not know for 3-4 months whether someone is going to go that route and when they do, you've got other schools vying for the player and you really have to have an inside connection is some cases.

I don't want to speculate on JUCO's and Marquette since I don't know who they are looking at. That said, there are 3 big guys who have been at D1 schools who are now at the NJCAA D1 level.  There's a player at Salt Lake (UT) Community College who played a year at Tulane.  There's a PF/C who redshirted at Utah and who is now a freshman at New Mexico Junior College and there's VCU transfer Jonathan Nwankwo at the College of Southern Idaho.  Nwankwo redshirted as a freshman at VCU and may have 3 years left at D1 like the kid at New Mexico Junior College.

I am 100% okay with a player on the roster decides they want to leave because better talent is joining the roster at their positions.  Talent wins.

[GGGG]

I am 100% okay with a player on the roster decides they want to leave because better talent is joining the roster at their positions.  Talent wins.

You have to do a cost/benefit analysis though.

If you are talking only a one year grad transfer, is it worth it for that one year if it stunts another player's growth or causes them to transfer? 

If one year of Katin caused Sandy to transfer, I am OK with that because I don't think Sandy's upside is that high.

If Rowsey caused Traci to transfer, I *think* I am fine with that because we get two years of Rowsey.

If Rowsey were a grad transfer and caused Traci to leave, *that * is where I might have a problem.

[wadesworld]

You have to do a cost/benefit analysis though.

If you are talking only a one year grad transfer, is it worth it for that one year if it stunts another player's growth or causes them to transfer? 

If one year of Katin caused Sandy to transfer, I am OK with that because I don't think Sandy's upside is that high.

If Rowsey caused Traci to transfer, I *think* I am fine with that because we get two years of Rowsey.

If Rowsey were a grad transfer and caused Traci to leave, *that * is where I might have a problem.

It also depends on who you bring in with the open scholarship that the grad transfer would be creating in that situation.

95% of the time if a kid is transferring out because of playing time issues that's a good sign to me.  We are getting better.

[Lennys Tap]

You have to do a cost/benefit analysis though.

If you are talking only a one year grad transfer, is it worth it for that one year if it stunts another player's growth or causes them to transfer? 

If one year of Katin caused Sandy to transfer, I am OK with that because I don't think Sandy's upside is that high.

If Rowsey caused Traci to transfer, I *think* I am fine with that because we get two years of Rowsey.

If Rowsey were a grad transfer and caused Traci to leave, *that * is where I might have a problem.

I agree with this analysis.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Lets recruit some tough SOB's.   Players who play like Wojo played, not the choir boy Wojo has become.    Let's get some angry guys.  Some cheap shot artists.    A Laimbeer, a Mahorn, a Rodman, an Aaron Craft, a Wojo, a Laettner, a player who belongs on a Cinci Huggins team.  We are in the F-ing Big East.    Let's get some F-ing B-Easts.   Lets get some guys that other fanbases hold in contempt and boo and throw crap at, not guys who other fanbases think about twice a year with a chuckle.

Agree 100%.  We need to recruit dominant players.  That is, athletes that can out play opponents.  History shows that when Marquette has had players we who can dominate like George Thompson, Dean Memminger, Butch Lee, Maurice Lucas, Jim Chones, Bo Ellis, Jerome Whitehead, we win big time.

[JakeBarnes]

Agree 100%.  We need to recruit dominant players.  That is, athletes that can out play opponents.  History shows that when Marquette has had players we who can dominate like George Thompson, Dean Memminger, Butch Lee, Maurice Lucas, Jim Chones, Bo Ellis, Jerome Whitehead, we win big time.

Agreed. We need more good players and not bad players. Ultimately good players have a better opportunity to play good than bad players, usually leading to scoring more points than the other team. When you have more points than the other team, you usually win. Wojo needs more wins, and therefore players that are good as opposed to bad.

[Stretchdeltsig]

We have good players now.  I am talking about players that are not only good, but, who are dominant and can out play their opponents. Dominant meaning strong, confident and play with an edge.

[jsglow]

You have to do a cost/benefit analysis though.

If you are talking only a one year grad transfer, is it worth it for that one year if it stunts another player's growth or causes them to transfer? 

If one year of Katin caused Sandy to transfer, I am OK with that because I don't think Sandy's upside is that high.

If Rowsey caused Traci to transfer, I *think* I am fine with that because we get two years of Rowsey.

If Rowsey were a grad transfer and caused Traci to leave, *that * is where I might have a problem.

I think timing is everything.  I'm not exactly sure on the order but there was a time when we had no PG.  Nick was out of the picture and Wojo signed Traci in the Spring.  Shortly thereafter, Rowsey tossed his hat in the ring by transferring in.  Later, Wojo recruited a kid who had led his U17 international team and was recruited 'over' both prior players.  I'm confident you'd agree that's fine.

[HoopsterBC]

Agree 100%.  We need to recruit dominant players.  That is, athletes that can out play opponents.  History shows that when Marquette has had players we who can dominate like George Thompson, Dean Memminger, Butch Lee, Maurice Lucas, Jim Chones, Bo Ellis, Jerome Whitehead, we win big time.

Those are all 5 star players during the 10 years we were Duke.  those days are over.   Hank got a few,  Buzz a few, that is all I can remember the last 35 years.  Not that
easy.  In there high school career, they were all Top 5 kids in America except Jerome and George.  We might go after a top 50 kid today, but even those kids are not
looking at MU.  I do believe once the new area is build and the Bucks becomes a dominant team, that might impress some new recruits.  It will be the best building in
America.

[Dawson Rental]

I remember that the Badgers won.

You should have seen the game.  Badgers won because Happ stopped trying to muscle Luke, and was able to play the second half as a result. 

[Dawson Rental]

You have to do a cost/benefit analysis though.

If you are talking only a one year grad transfer, is it worth it for that one year if it stunts another player's growth or causes them to transfer? 

If one year of Katin caused Sandy to transfer, I am OK with that because I don't think Sandy's upside is that high.

If Rowsey caused Traci to transfer, I *think* I am fine with that because we get two years of Rowsey.

If Rowsey were a grad transfer and caused Traci to leave, *that * is where I might have a problem.

Agreed.  I doubt that Rowsey was the reason Carter left, when a guy a year behind you moves into your spot its time to reassess.

[MUBurrow]

You should have seen the game.  Badgers won because Happ stopped trying to muscle Luke, and was able to play the second half as a result.

Nah. Happ's first half fouls came on reach-ins when he was out of position. I recall Happ receiving the ball near the elbow with his back to the basket more than once in the second half, and backing Luke damn near into the standard supporting the hoop. Not that I think Happ is the kind of bad boy this thread is daydreaming about.