Would you take Crean or Buzz back?

[#UnleashSean]

Cool. Buzz is doing very well at VT. Congrats to him. Him turning around VT is the exception not the rule. For every Buzz Williiams at VT I can find you 5 Wojos at MU.

yes? But the question is would we take back Buzz. Not 5 wojos.

[wadesworld]

Cool. Buzz is doing very well at VT. Congrats to him. Him turning around VT is the exception not the rule. For every Buzz Williiams at VT I can find you 5 Wojos at MU.

Not to mention Bert got to keep the kids he wanted from VT's recruiting class and bring the kids he wanted along with him from MU's recruiting class. Bert took over a program where the former coach was no longer employed as a D1 head basketball coach and had been recruiting for himself. Wojo took over a program that the former coach was going elsewhere to coach and Wojo had been recruiting for Coach K.

So Bert damn well better be further along in his rebuild.

[Nukem2]

Not to mention Bert got to keep the kids he wanted from VT's recruiting class and bring the kids he wanted along with him from MU's recruiting class. Bert took over a program where the former coach was no longer employed as a D1 head basketball coach and had been recruiting for himself. Wojo took over a program that the former coach was going elsewhere to coach and Wojo had been recruiting for Coach K.

So Bert damn well better be further along in his rebuild.

Transfers Zach LeDay and Seth Allen also helped a lot. But, they will be gone next year.  We shall see.

[GGGG]

Just gunna leave this here. Buzz beat Michigan at Michigan this year. Hes 9-1. Marquette got slaughtered by Michigan at a neutral. Both teams did complete rebuilds, maybe its time to stop the rebuild excuse train?

Or maybe Buzz is just a better coach.

[jesmu84]

Not to mention Bert got to keep the kids he wanted from VT's recruiting class and bring the kids he wanted along with him from MU's recruiting class. Bert took over a program where the former coach was no longer employed as a D1 head basketball coach and had been recruiting for himself. Wojo took over a program that the former coach was going elsewhere to coach and Wojo had been recruiting for Coach K.

So Bert damn well better be further along in his rebuild.

Whoops, in someone's blind Wojo hate, they forgot context and variables.

[Golden Avalanche]

Not to mention Bert got to keep the kids he wanted from VT's recruiting class and bring the kids he wanted along with him from MU's recruiting class. Bert took over a program where the former coach was no longer employed as a D1 head basketball coach and had been recruiting for himself. Wojo took over a program that the former coach was going elsewhere to coach and Wojo had been recruiting for Coach K.

So Bert damn well better be further along in his rebuild.

If we're doing "not to mention" it should be noted that Buzz tampered with two programs to get his two best players. That helps speed up the process.

[Lennys Tap]

Just gunna leave this here. Buzz beat Michigan at Michigan this year. Hes 9-1. Marquette got slaughtered by Michigan at a neutral. Both teams did complete rebuilds, maybe its time to stop the rebuild excuse train?

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[Lennys Tap]

Or maybe Buzz is just a better coach.

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[tower912]

Or maybe Buzz is just a better coach.

He is at the moment.  Wojo can still improve.   Buzz is probably at his peak

[leever]

I don't know if Buzz is the better coach.  I think Buzz is better at cheating, I mean, stretching the rules.  I also think he's at a place that is 100% behind cheating, I mean stretching the rules, as long as you win.  Apparently, Marquette was not that place.  VT is not messing with happy, eh?

[rocket surgeon]

I don't know if Buzz is the better coach.  I think Buzz is better at cheating, I mean, stretching the rules.  I also think he's at a place that is 100% behind cheating, I mean stretching the rules, as long as you win.  Apparently, Marquette was not that place.  VT is not messing with happy, eh?

"cheating/stretching the rules"  just wondering what you know that the ncaa doesn't? 

[tower912]

Buzz wasn't a cheater. The actual violations during his 6 years were of the mouse nuts variety.  A t-shirt and a ride to the airport?   Please.     Exploited some loopholes (DJO), handled the Newbill situation and alleged sexual assaults poorly, didn't cheat. 


Unless, of course, you were let in on CBB's super secret other shoe that has yet to drop.   

[brewcity77]

Buzz wasn't a cheater. The actual violations during his 6 years were of the mouse nuts variety.  A t-shirt and a ride to the airport?   Please.     Exploited some loopholes (DJO), handled the Newbill situation and alleged sexual assaults poorly, didn't cheat.

+1

Buzz had plenty of chances to cheat. He handled some things terribly, had a few minor incidents, but wasn't a guy who was running wild with wanton disregard for the rules.

My favorite instance was when Michigan State fans were livid, attacking Marquette because they heard there was a price tag on Branden Dawsen and Marquette had bought his recruitment. Buzz was the dirtiest guy on the block and everyone was piling on.

Then he committed to MSU and they all shut up about that cheating bit real quick. FWIW, I've heard they were right about the price tag thing all along, but they were wrong about who was paying it.

[wadesworld]

+1

Buzz had plenty of chances to cheat. He handled some things terribly, had a few minor incidents, but wasn't a guy who was running wild with wanton disregard for the rules.

My favorite instance was when Michigan State fans were livid, attacking Marquette because they heard there was a price tag on Branden Dawsen and Marquette had bought his recruitment. Buzz was the dirtiest guy on the block and everyone was piling on.

Then he committed to MSU and they all shut up about that cheating bit real quick. FWIW, I've heard they were right about the price tag thing all along, but they were wrong about who was paying it.

He would've if he could've.

[brewcity77]

He would've if he could've.

I disagree. Buzz might be weird, secretive, and awkward, but I don't think he's a cheater or means to be malicious. He has his own code that he lives by. Maybe not landing certain recruits at Marquette because he couldn't...ahem...invest properly in their future will change his ways of doing things, but looking at his recruiting at Virginia Tech, I don't think that's the case.

Buzz is still going after the same four-star kids he always was. Dude has put plenty of guys in the NBA, has a marquee conference banner to fly, and a pedigree of success. If he had some unlimited budget at Va Tech, he would have landed a McDonald's kid in his first class or two.

I fully understand why people don't like him, and there are aspects of his personality and nature that I don't like (I wouldn't want him back here under any circumstance) but I feel pretty confident he didn't cheat there and doesn't feel a need to cheat there.

[tower912]

If he would have been willing to cheat, he would have paid for Dawson, paid off Mbakwe (per the other board), put up with Tim Maymon, kept Hazel around, continued to pursue Clarke, etc.     Weird, intense, always looking for an advantage, more than willing to exploit his encyclopedic contacts within the JUCO community..... doesn't equal cheating. 

[keefe]

Does your wife yell Crean's name instead of yours during sex? You have issues, dude.

My wife passed away from cancer you a$$hole. Go f#ck yourself.

[wadesworld]

I've heard many things that lead me to believe that if he was allowed to continue down the path he was trying to head at MU he wouldn't have stopped short of anything to help him win.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

yes? But the question is would we take back Buzz. Not 5 wojos.

But the statement you were making was that we are making excuses for Wojo. Not answering the original question.

[Dawson Rental]

Neither---Buzz left the cupboard bare when he left, Tan Tommy will
take Izzo's job when he retires. Both Scum-bags. I wanted one of the
Miller boys (Sean or Archie) before Buzz. We can also thank administration
for this mess. I still like Wojo but we should have had a more experienced
coach. I guess Ben Howland was mentioned.

I think that when Buzz left the idea was to get a coach who'd take control of the program, not run it on autopilot.

[Dawson Rental]

Leon's Frozen Custard > TCBY franchises.

But yogurt franchises are what made Ners....  oh, I get your point.

[Dawson Rental]

I know it is impossible, but I would love to see KO come back as a Wojo assistant to solely focus on defense.

KO as second fiddle to Wojo   Ha ha ha.

[rocket surgeon]

My wife passed away from cancer you a$$hole. Go f#ck yourself.

wow keefer, i didn't know that-so so sorry to hear.  i've been blessed not to have experienced death within my immediate family...yet.  God knows that's going to be a real basterd for me to deal with, but peace be upon you

[Galway Eagle]

Buzz wasn't a cheater. The actual violations during his 6 years were of the mouse nuts variety.  A t-shirt and a ride to the airport?   Please.     Exploited some loopholes (DJO), handled the Newbill situation and alleged sexual assaults poorly, didn't cheat. 


Unless, of course, you were let in on CBB's super secret other shoe that has yet to drop.

What DJO loophole was there?

[GGGG]

I'm not sure it was a "loophole," but there was an NCAA clearinghouse issue of some sort.  Usually that means the NCAA didn't think one of his classes met the qualifications for the 16 core course requirement.  I think he spent a year at a prep school before going Juco so maybe that was part of the problem?

Anyways, Jae was more of an issue because he had no chance to graduate in two years.  Many two year Jucos have that issue.  (Dwight Buycks I believe has finally done so.)  DJO and JFB both graduated.