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Hards Alumni

Wisconsin was picked to win the B1G this year.

Marquette was picked 7th in the BEAST.

I know it isn't fun to lose to Wisconsin... especially the way Marquette did, but people need to temper their expectations.

We just aren't there yet (again).

tower912

No argument.   I expected us to lose today.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brewcity77

No internet in the BC, so I haven't really seen. Is anyone actually surprised? Game was over at halftime.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2016, 03:55:33 PM
No argument.   I expected us to lose today.

I also expected us to lose. I did not, however, expect us to get outscored 32-10 on our home court in the first 10 minutes of the second half. Course I didn't expect Fresno St to outscore us by 15 in the back half of the previous game at the BC either. I'm a little concerned.

79Warrior

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 10, 2016, 03:54:35 PM
Wisconsin was picked to win the B1G this year.

Marquette was picked 7th in the BEAST.

I know it isn't fun to lose to Wisconsin... especially the way Marquette did, but people need to temper their expectations.

We just aren't there yet (again).

And 7th it looks like it will be. I picked UW to win this one, but if MU could play defense we had a chance. So far our best win is Georgia.

tower912

So, if MU is the barometer, the Big 10 is better than the SEC.  Stunner.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

warriorstrack

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 10, 2016, 04:21:28 PM
I also expected us to lose. I did not, however, expect us to get outscored 32-10 on our home court in the first 10 minutes of the second half. Course I didn't expect Fresno St to outscore us by 15 in the back half of the previous game at the BC either. I'm a little concerned.
I agree

manny31

I just finished watching the game, I was uuugely disappointed. Getting run out of the gym is one thing, but this wasn't the case this afternoon. I have to put this one mostly on Wojo. To start how about that 16-0 or 16-2 run in the second half  by Wisconsin, how about a time out, call a play call another time out do something those guys were dying out there, wtf? The blocking foul by Marcus when he took an elbow to the chops,  perfect time to take a technical maybe light a fire under the troops. I thought you could tell he wanted to go off but didn't, why? All this is on top of the ever present turnovers and from what I would call absolutely crap defense. As far as the defense goes either the staff is not teaching them or the team is not executing either of which is a significant problem in my opinion. I will admit I am a bit wound up right now but I don't foresee an MU team in the near future that can over come  the turn overs and defensive lapses that this one has consistently. I think they aren't that far away, I hope they can get there.

Newsdreams

He took the timeouts. Players just didn't perform Hauser, Hani, JJJ, and Luke is very slow on D
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g0lden3agle

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 10, 2016, 04:10:54 PM
No internet in the BC, so I haven't really seen. Is anyone actually surprised? Game was over at halftime.

Lol

manny31

Quote from: Newsdrms on December 10, 2016, 05:27:29 PM
He took the timeouts. Players just didn't perform Hauser, Hani, JJJ, and Luke is very slow on D

I was watching on DVR while cooking dinner, I didn't notice he was taking time outs. I rescind 25% of my criticism of Wojo.

🏀

Quote from: Newsdrms on December 10, 2016, 05:27:29 PM
He took the timeouts. Players just didn't perform Hauser, Hani, JJJ, and Luke is very slow on D

This as serious as the racist guy and his 11 year old son

GGGG

Quote from: manny31 on December 10, 2016, 05:51:07 PM
I was watching on DVR while cooking dinner, I didn't notice he was taking time outs. I rescind 25% of my criticism of Wojo.

You really think he should have taken a technical?  Cmon.

wadesworld

Quote from: manny31 on December 10, 2016, 05:20:29 PM
I just finished watching the game, I was uuugely disappointed. Getting run out of the gym is one thing, but this wasn't the case this afternoon. I have to put this one mostly on Wojo. To start how about that 16-0 or 16-2 run in the second half  by Wisconsin, how about a time out, call a play call another time out do something those guys were dying out there, wtf? The blocking foul by Marcus when he took an elbow to the chops,  perfect time to take a technical maybe light a fire under the troops. I thought you could tell he wanted to go off but didn't, why? All this is on top of the ever present turnovers and from what I would call absolutely crap defense. As far as the defense goes either the staff is not teaching them or the team is not executing either of which is a significant problem in my opinion. I will admit I am a bit wound up right now but I don't foresee an MU team in the near future that can over come  the turn overs and defensive lapses that this one has consistently. I think they aren't that far away, I hope they can get there.

I believe he took 2 timeouts on their run.

And you really want to give up 2 extra free throws down, what, 12 with about 4 minutes to go? That's about the last thing in the world needed there.

brandx

Quote from: manny31 on December 10, 2016, 05:20:29 PM
I just finished watching the game, I was uuugely disappointed. Getting run out of the gym is one thing, but this wasn't the case this afternoon. I have to put this one mostly on Wojo. To start how about that 16-0 or 16-2 run in the second half  by Wisconsin, how about a time out, call a play call another time out do something those guys were dying out there, wtf?

Wilson and Cheatham were on the floor during their run. They were no more effective than you and I would have been.


Class71

A loss is a loss and this is a game we were expected to lose so big surprise. We are still early in the season. The results could have been much worse. We are not out of the running, we have much work to do but we have a chance. Last year we had no chance. Let the season play out a bit more before going off.


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manny31

Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 10, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
You really think he should have taken a technical?  Cmon.

Per my lack of attention, the time outs didn't work or the team wasn't executing what he was prescribing during the time outs. So yes, I don't think getting the technical is ridiculous course of action . It wasn't like MU was down a point or five, maybe it fires up the team. I don't see the downside in that situation, at that moment MU was getting its crap handed to them. Not as an argument to support my assertion that Wojo should have taken a technical but out of curiosity how many technicals  has Wojo gotten as head coach? How does it compare to coaches that have perennial top 25 programs?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 10, 2016, 04:21:28 PM
I also expected us to lose. I did not, however, expect us to get outscored 32-10 on our home court in the first 10 minutes of the second half. Course I didn't expect Fresno St to outscore us by 15 in the back half of the previous game at the BC either. I'm a little concerned.

Why does this matter? All that matters is the final score. If you told me we were going to lose by single digits against Wisconsin I would have been pleasantly surprised. Not happy about it of course. But preseason I expected a blow out.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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mayfairskatingrink

Quote from: Class71 on December 10, 2016, 06:30:39 PM
A loss is a loss and this is a game we were expected to lose so big surprise. We are still early in the season. The results could have been much worse. We are not out of the running, we have much work to do but we have a chance. Last year we had no chance. Let the season play out a bit more before going off.

With the way Wojo teaches "defense," MU has no chance against a good team unless they hit a huge number of 3's.

Talent is bad, coaching is worse...

79Warrior

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2016, 07:01:46 PM
Why does this matter? All that matters is the final score. If you told me we were going to lose by single digits against Wisconsin I would have been pleasantly surprised. Not happy about it of course. But preseason I expected a blow out.

Kinda was a blowout in the second half.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: 79Warrior on December 10, 2016, 08:29:20 PM
Kinda was a blowout in the second half.

And we were the better team in the first half. Put the two halves together and you have a single digit loss.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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MU82

Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 10, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
You really think he should have taken a technical?  Cmon.

I'm not a huge believer in the T as motivation (especially from an infamous de-motivator), but I have to honestly say it crossed my mind on this occasion. The call was so outrageous, and MU had been whipped into submission so badly, that I thought at the time, "Do it."

Almost surely wouldn't have a made a difference, but as Agent Orange told Black America: "What do you have to lose?"
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g0lden3agle

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2016, 07:01:46 PM
Why does this matter? All that matters is the final score. If you told me we were going to lose by single digits against Wisconsin I would have been pleasantly surprised. Not happy about it of course. But preseason I expected a blow out.

A teams ability to not let a situation spiral out of control is very important. It's been a long time since MU had the right set of guys that could withstand the other team's flurry of punches and then come back with a run of their own.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: g0lden3agle on December 10, 2016, 11:35:34 PM
A teams ability to not let a situation spiral out of control is very important. It's been a long time since MU had the right set of guys that could withstand the other team's flurry of punches and then come back with a run of their own.

Equally important is a team's ability to build a favorable situation to lose control of in the first place. In the end, the final score is all that matters. Losing sucks. Losing to Bucky sucks the most. Losing by single digits to Bucky was unfortunately a realistic prediction going into this game.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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g0lden3agle

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2016, 11:40:15 PM
Equally important is a team's ability to build a favorable situation to lose control of in the first place. In the end, the final score is all that matters. Losing sucks. Losing to Bucky sucks the most. Losing by single digits to Bucky was unfortunately a realistic prediction going into this game.

Looking only at your pregame expectation and final score masks a lot of important details about how a game went down. We're noticing a trend in Marquette's ability (or lack thereof) to withstand the opponents 2nd half runs that would not be recognizable if only looking at the final score.

Im personally a fan of the concept of breaking a game up into the chunks of time between timeouts. The ability to rattle off consecutive winning chunks of time, or prevent the opponent from doing so, is a factor in a team's long term success.

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