Nice Buzz Article

[RJax55]

Buzz is a class act, the only problem is that he is not the class to which most Marquette Scoopers aspire.  Marquette suffers from an inferiority complex, that is why the hireing of ND, Gerogetown, Duke types.   The days of looking at a dude from the Rockaways or Belmont Abbey are long gone.
Lets face it, we have become, in our unique way, snobs.  Therefore, all the Buzz hate, I  am really glad that Buzz has found a loving home at VT, good for him.

I hope that MU can become BC lite or Duke like, however,  I  have my doubts.

Lets concentrate on the game at hand and show Buzz the respect that he continues to show Marquette.  Before Buzz we were a very long time in the wilderness, without him we would have been there for a much longer time.  I hope we can pull off the Duke corporate image successfully, if not, back to the wilderness.

Good God. MU went to the final four in 2003, some wilderness.

[real chili 83]

We ran off a guy who was our second best coach ever and replaced him with a guy who thought Sandy Cohen was better than Deonte Burton. That made a lot of sense.

I'm sure it's that simple.

[Golden Avalanche]

Sultan

I respect your perspective and rather enjoy your caustic take on things.  But let me say that I have first hand knowledge of Crean's outrageous behavior and unacceptable treatment of others.

Tom Crean's lack of concern, consideration, and respect for those around him, indeed those who contributed to his success, had no place in a Jesuit institution.

Buzz likely doesn't know where the line is and, in any event, is an extremely bizarre person. Crean knows where the line is but simply doesn't give a sh1t.

Interesting how you equivocate on both people doing bad things but give one a pass. Then again, no shock a guy like you has a flexible line in the sand.

[Golden Avalanche]

Buzz is a class act, the only problem is that he is not the class to which most Marquette Scoopers aspire.  Marquette suffers from an inferiority complex, that is why the hireing of ND, Gerogetown, Duke types.   The days of looking at a dude from the Rockaways or Belmont Abbey are long gone.
Lets face it, we have become, in our unique way, snobs.  Therefore, all the Buzz hate, I  am really glad that Buzz has found a loving home at VT, good for him.

I hope that MU can become BC lite or Duke like, however,  I  have my doubts.

Lets concentrate on the game at hand and show Buzz the respect that he continues to show Marquette.  Before Buzz we were a very long time in the wilderness, without him we would have been there for a much longer time.  I hope we can pull off the Duke corporate image successfully, if not, back to the wilderness.

Scooping a heavy load of this bull$hit all day must hurt your back.

[vogue65]

Good God. MU went to the final four in 2003, some wilderness.

One trip does not a epoch make.  And if I  recall, we got blown out?
Patience has not been a strong suit of the MU program that I  have been watching for the past 50  years.  We have had some great coaches but their image did not suit our self image.  The last time we had that valuable quality patience was for Al.   
Back in the 60's we had our share of scandals that were covered up, I  was part of two of them.  What's so new about the behavior of Buzz?  His crime was that he did not fit the image of the BOT.
The message that I hear is that underprivilege  hillbillies need not apply, be them rural or urban hillbillies.  We are better than that, we are Marquette.

[Warrior Code]

One trip does not a epoch make.  And if I  recall, we got blown out?
Patience has not been a strong suit of the MU program that I  have been watching for the past 50  years.  We have had some great coaches but their image did not suit our self image.  The last time we had that valuable quality patience was for Al.   
Back in the 60's we had our share of scandals that were covered up, I  was part of two of them.  What's so new about the behavior of Buzz?  His crime was that he did not fit the image of the BOT.
The message that I hear is that underprivilege  hillbillies need not apply, be them rural or urban hillbillies.  We are better than that, we are Marquette.

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[RJax55]

One trip does not a epoch make.  And if I  recall, we got blown out?
Patience has not been a strong suit of the MU program that I  have been watching for the past 50  years.  We have had some great coaches but their image did not suit our self image.  The last time we had that valuable quality patience was for Al.   
Back in the 60's we had our share of scandals that were covered up, I  was part of two of them.  What's so new about the behavior of Buzz?  His crime was that he did not fit the image of the BOT.
The message that I hear is that underprivilege  hillbillies need not apply, be them rural or urban hillbillies.  We are better than that, we are Marquette.

So covering up scandals is part of MU. I guess we are not better than that.

Seriously, stop and reread what you're posting. Absolutely idiotic.

[naginiF]

Elephant in a well picture watch has officially started

[4everwarriors]

One trip does not a epoch make.  And if I  recall, we got blown out?
Patience has not been a strong suit of the MU program that I  have been watching for the past 50  years.  We have had some great coaches but their image did not suit our self image.  The last time we had that valuable quality patience was for Al.   
Back in the 60's we had our share of scandals that were covered up, I  was part of two of them.  What's so new about the behavior of Buzz?  His crime was that he did not fit the image of the BOT.
The message that I hear is that underprivilege  hillbillies need not apply, be them rural or urban hillbillies.  We are better than that, we are Marquette.

So, you were da cat who paid da rent at da Catholic Knights buildin', hey?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Here is my continued perspective and perhaps a more accurate version of history to consider.

Marquette University was in violation of both federal and local laws, on not just this one incident, but hundreds.  Our ire should be primarily directed there.  A slew of people were fired and/or displaced.

Buzz Williams was not the reason Pilarz was fired from Marquette University.  MU was so disgusted with the direction of the university, they paid severance to a vow of poverty Jesuit and his Posse to go away, leaving their critical leadership spots open for a good part of a year.  Think about that.

The university and AD were in serious financial trouble.  Major donors were alienated. Pilarz chose to teach poetry class instead of fundraise and execute a strategic plan.  His personal peccadilloes were interesting.

Larry Williams was a capable administrator, especially in compliance and legal matters.  He had no strategic vision in regard to sports like lacrosse where he publically questioned the investment.  His public persona was ham handed.  His legal acumen helped in the Big East although Broeker (and Cottingham) laid much of that groundwork.  Larry couldn't fundraise and his management style was respected by some and fractured with others. 

Terri Mitchell had her own problems, unrelated to Buzz.  One could contend a scandal that would much more damning than Buzz's.  One that came out later.

Buzz was a bi-polar nut case.  But, there was no cover up like at Penn State or Norte Dame.  The case was adjudicated through the university as was chosen by the student. Players were penalized and/or eventually expelled as they were found guilt of harassment.  Everyone in the university leadership knew of the incident and the verdict of the panel. After that process, the dissatisfied student decided to go to the authorities where there was no charges pressed after a too late investigation.  There was no cover up or criminal charges.  But the university was in severe violation of the law on this and every case reported.

The coaching staff was in error for gathering the troops. But since the university policy was flawed that would have covered the coaches' behavior, they were not in violation of the inforce federal law nor were they trained and certified.  Thus, goodbye AD and a few others above.

Despite what some say, Buzz didn't want to lose that last season, he wanted to prove he could even win with that crew.  He literally lost it and his team.  Cords foreshadowed his departure way in advance.  But is was Buzz's hand but not too many were disappointed to clean the entire mess with one last flush.

[MUfan12]

The university and AD were in serious financial trouble.  Major donors were alienated. Pilarz chose to teach poetry class instead of fundraise and execute a strategic plan.  His personal peccadilloes were interesting.

Sure were.

But is was Buzz's hand but not too many were disappointed to clean the entire mess with one last flush.

By a manager, hey?

[jesmu84]

Here is my continued perspective and perhaps a more accurate version of history to consider.

Marquette University was in violation of both federal and local laws, on not just this one incident, but hundreds.  Our ire should be primarily directed there.  A slew of people were fired and/or displaced.

Buzz Williams was not the reason Pilarz was fired from Marquette University.  MU was so disgusted with the direction of the university, they paid severance to a vow of poverty Jesuit and his Posse to go away, leaving their critical leadership spots open for a good part of a year.  Think about that.

The university and AD were in serious financial trouble.  Major donors were alienated. Pilarz chose to teach poetry class instead of fundraise and execute a strategic plan.  His personal peccadilloes were interesting.

Larry Williams was a capable administrator, especially in compliance and legal matters.  He had no strategic vision in regard to sports like lacrosse where he publically questioned the investment.  His public persona was ham handed.  His legal acumen helped in the Big East although Broeker (and Cottingham) laid much of that groundwork.  Larry couldn't fundraise and his management style was respected by some and fractured with others. 

Terri Mitchell had her own problems, unrelated to Buzz.  One could contend a scandal that would much more damning than Buzz's.  One that came out later.

Buzz was a bi-polar nut case.  But, there was no cover up like at Penn State or Norte Dame.  The case was adjudicated through the university as was chosen by the student. Players were penalized and/or eventually expelled as they were found guilt of harassment. Everyone in the university leadership knew of the incident and the verdict of the panel. After that process, the dissatisfied student decided to go to the authorities where there was no charges pressed after a too late investigation.  There was no cover up or criminal charges.  But the university was in severe violation of the law on this and every case reported.

The coaching staff was in error for gathering the troops. But since the university policy was flawed that would have covered the coaches' behavior, they were not in violation of the inforce federal law nor were they trained and certified.  Thus, goodbye AD and a few others above.

Despite what some say, Buzz didn't want to lose that last season, he wanted to prove he could even win with that crew.  He literally lost it and his team.  Cords foreshadowed his departure way in advance.  But is was Buzz's hand but not too many were disappointed to clean the entire mess with one last flush.

I wouldn't mind further detail, including names, of the bolded as I apparently am not privy to the insider info that apparently was known by many. PM would be fine. From the good Dr., or anyone else. As it has all played out and there is, to my knowledge, no current investigations going on, I don't see the harm in asking for the further details.

Edit: Oh, also the recruit with girl on fire.

[MUBigDance]

Ok I officially regret starting this thread.

Of all the stuff I have read in the news and heard third hand here...I'm just not close enough to pass judgement or know the actual facts.

But I sincerely hope there will be justice. I have a close relative who was assaulted (not at MU) and it's an evil hurtful thing.

Until I know first hand, I've decided Buzz was just the MU coach when I first became a fan and gave me some good fun tourney memories. Wojo I expect will do the same.

[Newsdreams]

Buzz is a class act, the only problem is that he is not the class to which most Marquette Scoopers aspire.  Marquette suffers from an inferiority complex, that is why the hireing of ND, Gerogetown, Duke types.   The days of looking at a dude from the Rockaways or Belmont Abbey are long gone.
Lets face it, we have become, in our unique way, snobs.  Therefore, all the Buzz hate, I  am really glad that Buzz has found a loving home at VT, good for him.

I hope that MU can become BC lite or Duke like, however,  I  have my doubts.

Lets concentrate on the game at hand and show Buzz the respect that he continues to show Marquette.  Before Buzz we were a very long time in the wilderness, without him we would have been there for a much longer time.  I hope we can pull off the Duke corporate image successfully, if not, back to the wilderness.

Whaaat, really????? Teal right??

[Lennys Tap]

Whaaat, really????? Teal right??

Why?

[Newsdreams]

Why?

I didn't hate on Buzz, but class act? Really?? Maybe we have different views of what class act is.

[dgies9156]

All right gang, this conversation is ridiculous.

You all are forgetting that the Hillbilly is gone, Like it or not, he's in Virginia. In case you have forgotten, he dissed us and our conference on the way out. Bush league would be a nice way of describing his thoughts about Marquette and the Big East.

Since then, we've had a national championship in our conference and a good number of NCAA berths. I'll concede we're not one of them but then if the Hillbilly was introspective, he'd realize he was a major factor in where we are now. You cannot argue that, no matter how hard you try.

Too many people want to go back. While I want to be an elite 8 team or better again, the Hillbilly is gone and now amount of complaining is going to bring him back. For that matter, also gone is Al, Tom Crean and Kevin O'Neill. We can't get any of them back (last time someone rose from the dead was 2000 years ago) and instead we should focus on what we have and what we are. Coach Wojo may not be turning around the train wreck the Hillbilly left us fast enough for some of you, but I like the effort and the recruiting he has shown. We may need some fine tuning but we're on the right track. The locomotive is righted and the pieces are slowly coming together.

Let's hope that five years from now, the Hillbilly will be in the ACC cellar wondering why he ever left the reigning National Champion Marquette Warriors.

[wadesworld]

Buzz is a class act, the only problem is that he is not the class to which most Marquette Scoopers aspire.  Marquette suffers from an inferiority complex, that is why the hireing of ND, Gerogetown, Duke types.   The days of looking at a dude from the Rockaways or Belmont Abbey are long gone.
Lets face it, we have become, in our unique way, snobs.  Therefore, all the Buzz hate, I  am really glad that Buzz has found a loving home at VT, good for him.

I hope that MU can become BC lite or Duke like, however,  I  have my doubts.

Lets concentrate on the game at hand and show Buzz the respect that he continues to show Marquette.  Before Buzz we were a very long time in the wilderness, without him we would have been there for a much longer time.  I hope we can pull off the Duke corporate image successfully, if not, back to the wilderness.

Lol.

[Lennys Tap]

I didn't hate on Buzz, but class act? Really?? Maybe we have different views of what class act is.

Buzz's Bunch, tough but clean players, "the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker", his friendship with the homeless dude, his work ethic, his respect for (and from) those who mentored him, etc., etc., etc..

[Lennys Tap]

All right gang, this conversation is ridiculous.

You all are forgetting that the Hillbilly is gone, Like it or not, he's in Virginia. In case you have forgotten, he dissed us and our conference on the way out. Bush league would be a nice way of describing his thoughts about Marquette and the Big East.

Since then, we've had a national championship in our conference and a good number of NCAA berths. I'll concede we're not one of them but then if the Hillbilly was introspective, he'd realize he was a major factor in where we are now. You cannot argue that, no matter how hard you try.

Too many people want to go back. While I want to be an elite 8 team or better again, the Hillbilly is gone and now amount of complaining is going to bring him back. For that matter, also gone is Al, Tom Crean and Kevin O'Neill. We can't get any of them back (last time someone rose from the dead was 2000 years ago) and instead we should focus on what we have and what we are. Coach Wojo may not be turning around the train wreck the Hillbilly left us fast enough for some of you, but I like the effort and the recruiting he has shown. We may need some fine tuning but we're on the right track. The locomotive is righted and the pieces are slowly coming together.

Let's hope that five years from now, the Hillbilly will be in the ACC cellar wondering why he ever left the reigning National Champion Marquette Warriors.

This conversation isn't ridiculous. Your post is.

[Goose]

Guys love or hate Buzz for a ton of different reasons and I get that. All I can say is that he came the closest to making us the real deal than any coach since Al. In addition, the style of ball they played was very close to what I would love to watch every game.

Said it at the time and will say it again, Buzz brought excitement to the program and came close to putting us back on the map. He and KO get a pay on the back from this fan for what they did for the program.

[keefe]

Guys love or hate Buzz for a ton of different reasons and I get that. All I can say is that he came the closest to making us the real deal than any coach since Al. In addition, the style of ball they played was very close to what I would love to watch every game.

Said it at the time and will say it again, Buzz brought excitement to the program and came close to putting us back on the map. He and KO get a pay on the back from this fan for what they did for the program.

WTF, Joe? You must be in China now because I doubt you're surfing Scoop at 0300 CST.

[vogue65]

Guys love or hate Buzz for a ton of different reasons and I get that. All I can say is that he came the closest to making us the real deal than any coach since Al. In addition, the style of ball they played was very close to what I would love to watch every game.

Said it at the time and will say it again, Buzz brought excitement to the program and came close to putting us back on the map. He and KO get a pay on the back from this fan for what they did for the program.

We could add Rick to the list and find another coach who did not fit the image.  Now we have the image so all we have to do is win.

[4everwarriors]

Really, Rick? Back in da dey I worked side by side wit Rick for 2 summers. He cut his teeth on da MU job. Became a much better coach after his silent firin'. Felt too much pressure to succeed at his alma mater. Program was on a decline wit Hank and took da slippery slope after Wolf and Olson chose utter programs, ai na?

[79Warrior]

Guys love or hate Buzz for a ton of different reasons and I get that. All I can say is that he came the closest to making us the real deal than any coach since Al. In addition, the style of ball they played was very close to what I would love to watch every game.

Said it at the time and will say it again, Buzz brought excitement to the program and came close to putting us back on the map. He and KO get a pay on the back from this fan for what they did for the program.

I agree with your thoughts. I think he did put us back on the map. Buzz has personality. Pretty much all the press says about Wojo is he played for and sat next to Coach K. On the other hand, Wojo is probably what the BOT wants, clean cut guy who will not create any waves.