Katin and team eFG%

[Marcus92]

To date, the team is making 36.5% of our 3-point shots and has an effective field goal percentage of 55.3% — good for 107th and 53rd in the country. If you took Katin's stats out of the equation, those numbers would be:

3PT%: 37.6 (89)
eFG%: 59.1 (17)

Katin's actually improved his 3-point shooting lately, and isn't taking quite so many shots. (He's now second to JaJuan in field goal attempts and to Sam in 3-point attempts). But unless he significantly improves both inside and outside the arc, he needs to shoot less and/or take better shots. The team will be better for it.

I will say that I like the energy and effort Katin brings to this team. He's posting career highs in offensive rebounding percentage, defensive rebounding percentage and steal percentage.

[MerrittsMustache]

I can live with a handful of forced shots if Katin gets to the line 8 times.

[Benny B]

Thank you for quantifying.  This pretty much corroborates my thought that something - that should be there - is missing/lacking when he's on the floor.  Hopefully he comes around in the next 16 days.

[brewcity77]

If he took what the defense gave him, it'd be much better. His free throws artificially inflated his eFG% last night. Those shots were terrible.

I like so much of what he brings, but we needed a defender and deferrer (probably not a word, oh well) in that role.

His play is on the coaching staff. They need to get him to understand the value of a possession and to take the right shots. I think at this point it feels like he's a hired gun. He just doesn't flow offensively with the rest of the team. Not sure how you fix that, but they need to before conference play.

[Jay Bee]

If he took what the defense gave him, it'd be much better. His free throws artificially inflated his eFG% last night. Those shots were terrible.

Wat?

Anyway, the guy is shooting 35% eFG%. That will improve. How much is the question.

[GGGG]

"Katin Takes Terrible Shots to Get to the Free Throw Line" is this season's early leader for the "Henry Ellenson Only Get's Easy Rebounds Award."

[TSmith34, Inc.]

"Katin Takes Terrible Shots to Get to the Free Throw Line" is this season's early leader for the "Henry Ellenson Only Get's Easy Rebounds Award."

Disagree, I'm with Brew on this one.  Those drives were wild and he had absolutely no chance to make the shots. IUPUI and the refs bailed him out on a number of occasions.

[GGGG]

Disagree, I'm with Brew on this one.  Those drives were wild and he had absolutely no chance to make the shots. IUPUI and the refs bailed him out on a number of occasions.

Doesn't matter.  He got to the line.  And the refs didn't "bail him out."  Those were legit fouls.

If a team is going to keep fouling you when you drive, you keep driving until they stop.  Let's not over think this.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wat?

Anyway, the guy is shooting 35% eFG%. That will improve. How much is the question.

I think Brew is saying that if Katin hadn't gotten the fouls, he would have missed the shots, thus lowering the eFG%. Personally, I think as long as you draw the foul, you are forgiven. Keep that FTR up!

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

"Let's not over think this" just replaced "Katin takes terrible shots to get to the free throw line" in your competition.

[MU82]

If a team is going to keep fouling you when you drive, you keep driving until they stop.

This.

[Benny B]

If a team is going to keep fouling you when you drive, you keep driving until they stop.  Let's not over think this.

But what happens if you keep driving after they stop.  Unless you've got Subaru's new Eyesight safety features, that isn't going to end well.

[Marcus92]

I think Brew is saying that if Katin hadn't gotten the fouls, he would have missed the shots, thus lowering the eFG%. Personally, I think as long as you draw the foul, you are forgiven. Keep that FTR up!

Assume he didn't get fouled and made every FG — he's 7 of 14. Fine. That's just one game. Katin would still be shooting under 35% for the season. He needs to improve that percentage or shoot less. Simple. If he doesn't, he'll limit our ceiling as a team.

[Loose Cannon]

But what happens if you keep driving after they stop.  Unless you've got Subaru's new Eyesight safety features, that isn't going to end well.

  Le Hook.

[willie warrior]

"Katin Takes Terrible Shots to Get to the Free Throw Line" is this season's early leader for the "Henry Ellenson Only Get's Easy Rebounds Award."

Yeah. That worked against EEwee pewee. How will it work in BEast? Chuckers gotta chuck. And Wojo blesses it, because he doesn't take him out when the guy clangs a couple.

[GGGG]

Yeah. That worked against EEwee pewee. How will it work in BEast?

So Katin shouldn't drive to the hoop when it is working against IUPUI because it may not work in the BE?

Yeah. That worked against EEwee pewee. How will it work in BEast? Chuckers gotta chuck. And Wojo blesses it, because he doesn't take him out when the guy clangs a couple.

Nobody should be taken out because they "clang a couple."  And he was taken out in the second half when he took a bad shot.  It's a process.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Those were legit fouls.

Some were, some weren't.  If you go flailing through the lane out of control, the refs aren't always going to give you the benefit of the doubt as they did last night.  And IUPUI did him a favor by fouling him and bailing him out on shots that had no chance to go in.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And Wojo blesses it, because he doesn't take him out when the guy clangs a couple.

I can say that this is patently false. Katin has ridden a lot of pine after bad shots. He sat for most of the Pitt and Michigan games.

[GGGG]

Some were, some weren't.  If you go flailing through the lane out of control, the refs aren't always going to give you the benefit of the doubt as they did last night.  And IUPUI did him a favor by fouling him and bailing him out on shots that had no chance to go in.

But they DID foul him.

He was attacking the basket and positive results occurred.  Really what is Wojo supposed to say here?  "Look Katin, I know you keep getting fouled when you drive to the basket, but if they didn't foul you those shots weren't going to fall.  So instead of attacking, just pass the ball to someone else."

No coach ever says this. 

[mu03eng]

Katin has a lot of positives with one awful weakness....he's a chucker in his DNA. If he's making shots that's not as bad, but with the assets we have we need more of a Lockett than a Antonie Walker at the 4.

Thing that concerns me: through 5 games our least efficient offensive player is dominating the offense (25.9% of possessions with an eFG% of 35% and an oRtg of 87.7% - next lowest oRtg is Howard at 100.4)

Reasons to hope: Katin's historic eFG% is 45.8, 46.4, and 53.4....so if he gets back to his trend at has at least a 53.4 efficiency he deserves 25.9% of the possessions.

This is why I have been so focused on Wojo of late, this is entirely about the coaching staff having to find a way to maximize Katin's efficiency either by reducing his volume on offense or improving his offense or both. My opinion, of course, there are other philosophies I'd be open to someone walking me through.

IUPUI game showed signs of hope as Katin shared more than I've seen to date. We'll have to see if that continues.

[GGGG]

Katin has a lot of positives with one awful weakness....he's a chucker in his DNA. If he's making shots that's not as bad, but with the assets we have we need more of a Lockett than a Antonie Walker at the 4.

Thing that concerns me: through 5 games our least efficient offensive player is dominating the offense (25.9% of possessions with an eFG% of 35% and an oRtg of 87.7% - next lowest oRtg is Howard at 100.4)

Reasons to hope: Katin's historic eFG% is 45.8, 46.4, and 53.4....so if he gets back to his trend at has at least a 53.4 efficiency he deserves 25.9% of the possessions.

This is why I have been so focused on Wojo of late, this is entirely about the coaching staff having to find a way to maximize Katin's efficiency either by reducing his volume on offense or improving his offense or both. My opinion, of course, there are other philosophies I'd be open to someone walking me through.

IUPUI game showed signs of hope as Katin shared more than I've seen to date. We'll have to see if that continues.

I agree with everything you are saying here.  I haven't been thrilled with the addition to say the least.  But attacking the basket yesterday was the best thing he did on the floor.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

But they DID foul him.

He was attacking the basket and positive results occurred.  Really what is Wojo supposed to say here?  "Look Katin, I know you keep getting fouled when you drive to the basket, but if they didn't foul you those shots weren't going to fall.  So instead of attacking, just pass the ball to someone else."

No coach ever says this.

Yes, the defense played stupidly and the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt.  That doesn't make them good decisions or shots.

The rest of your post is a strawman.

[mu03eng]

I agree with everything you are saying here.  I haven't been thrilled with the addition to say the least.  But attacking the basket yesterday was the best thing he did on the floor.

Agreed, he needs to attack more (he's not a 4 so when they guard him with a 4 he should beat them every time) share more and be more efficient with his 3 point shooting. Basically, everything that Ellenson should have been doing last year as well.

This whole "he shouldn't attack because he's drawing fouls that shouldn't be called thing" is crap. If he attacks this way in the BE and they don't call fouls guess what....adjust and attack differently so you do draw fouls.

[mu03eng]

Yes, the defense played stupidly and the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt.  That doesn't make them good decisions or shots.

The rest of your post is a strawman.

That's just crap. Were there bad calls by the officials, sure, but certainly no more than any game that happens. If the refs are going to give you calls, keep getting the calls. If they aren't giving you calls do something different.

Ultimately the result(consistently scoring points) determines whether it is a good strategy. (not talking about individual scoring actions, I'm talking about the trend)

[MerrittsMustache]

Yes, the defense played stupidly and the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt.  That doesn't make them good decisions or shots.

The rest of your post is a strawman.

Did he get fouled on his drives? Yes.

Did he hit his FTs? Yes.

Why do you have a problem with this?

Quit looking for things to complain about when it comes to Katin's game.