How our wins/losses are performing

[Windyplayer]

Vandy in action against Belmont tonight after the throttling. Looks like Belmont's first game (#103 per KenPom).

[T-Bone]

True cupcakes are 4-10
Good non-con teams are 8-2 (including both Pitt and SMU until we figure that out)
Through this morning.

[barfolomew]

True cupcakes are 4-10
Good non-con teams are 8-2 (including both Pitt and SMU until we figure that out)
Through this morning.

So the implication there is that even our good non-con opponents will be like cupcakes to us.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Fresno State lost to Prairie View A&M. Our quality buy game looks a little less quality.

[injuryBug]

Dayton just won a true road game, that should help us

[Windyplayer]

Alas, Vandy lost to Bucknell on Monday night at home.

http://www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/400910821

[BM1090]

Alas, Vandy lost to Bucknell on Monday night at home.

http://www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/400910821

Fresno lost to CSU Bakersfieid...so I don't think they are very good. Michigan obviously is performing well. Howard will probably turn it around once they get their best player back. IUPUI will be solid.

[Lennys Tap]

Alas, Vandy lost to Bucknell on Monday night at home.

http://www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/400910821

And Bucknell lost by 20 to Wake Forest and by 26 to Butler. Looks like Vandy is a glorified cupcake.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Vanderbilt: 2-2 (W: Belmont, Norfolk State) (L: Marquette*, Bucknell)
Howard: 0-4 (W: Nada) (L: @Michigan, @Marquette, @IUPUI, Gardner Webb)
Michigan: 4-0 (W: Howard, IUPUI, Marquette, SMU) (L: Nada)
Pittsburgh: 4-1 (W: Eastern Michigan, Gardner-Webb, Marquette, Yale) (L: SMU)
IUPUI: 2-3 (W: Howard, Eastern Michigan) (L: @Eastern Kentucky, @Michigan, @Marquette)
Houston Baptist: 2-2 (W: 2 Non-D1 Opponents) (L: @Texas Tech, @New Mexico)
Western Carolina: 1-4 (W: Non-D1 Opponent) (L: @Miami, North Carolina Central, @Marshall, @Ohio State)
Georgia: 3-2 (W: UNC-Asheville, Furman, George Washington) (L: @Clemson, Kansas*)
Fresno State: 2-2 (W: UTSA, Lamar) (L: Prairie View A&M, @Cal State Bakersfield)
Wisconsin: 4-1 (W: Central Arkansas, Chicago State, Tennessee, Georgetown) (L: @Creighton)
St Francis (PA): 1-2 (W: Non D1 opponent) (L: @St. Bonaventure's, @ Duquesne)
SIU-Edwardsville: 2-3 (W: @Hawaii, Florida Atlantic) (L: Texas State, SIU, @Arkansas State)

[warriorchick]

Personally, I am rooting for Pitt to win the ACC.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

1 week later:

Vanderbilt: 3-3 (W: Belmont, Norfolk State, Santa Clara) (L: Marquette, Bucknell, Butler)
Howard: 0-5 (W: Nada) (L: @Michigan, @Marquette, @IUPUI, Gardner Webb, Georgetown)
Michigan: 5-1 (W: Howard, IUPUI, Marquette, SMU, Mount St. Mary's) (L: @South Carolina)
Pittsburgh: 5-1 (W: Eastern Michigan, Gardner-Webb, Marquette, Yale, Morehead State) (L: SMU)
IUPUI: 2-4 (W: Howard, Eastern Michigan) (L: @Eastern Kentucky, @Michigan, @Marquette, @SIU-E)
Houston Baptist: 2-3 (W: 2 Non-D1 Opponents) (L: @Texas Tech, @New Mexico, @Marquette)
Western Carolina: 2-4 (W: Non-D1 Opponent, Jackson State) (L: @Miami, North Carolina Central, @Marshall, @Ohio State)
Georgia: 4-2 (W: UNC-Asheville, Furman, George Washington, Gardner Webb) (L: @Clemson, Kansas)
Fresno State: 3-2 (W: UTSA, Lamar, @Oregon State) (L: Prairie View A&M, @Cal State Bakersfield)
Wisconsin: 5-2 (W: Central Arkansas, Chicago State, Tennessee, Georgetown, Prairie View A&M) (L: @Creighton, North Carolina)
St Francis (PA): 1-2 (W: Non D1 opponent) (L: @St. Bonaventure's, @ Duquesne)
SIU-Edwardsville: 4-3 (W: @Hawaii, Florida Atlantic, IUPUI, @Grand Canyon) (L: Texas State, SIU, @Arkansas State)

Most surprising team so far has definitely been SIU-Edwardsville. Would never have expected them to have two road wins and a win over IUPUI.

Fresno State got a road win at Oregon State. Just goes to show that they are not a team that can be taken lightly. They have the potential to go into a high major gym and steal one.

[GGGG]

Jon Harris coaches at SIUE for those who may have forgotten.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Vanderbilt
Record: 4-4
Wins: Belmont, Norfolk State, Santa Clara, Tennessee State
Losses: Marquette, Bucknell, Butler, Minnesota

Howard:
Record: 1-5
Wins: American
Losses: @Michigan, @Marquette, @IUPUI, Gardner-Webb, @Georgetown

Michigan:
Record: 6-2
Wins: Howard, IUPUI, Marquette, SMU, Mount St. Mary's, Kennesaw State
Losses: @South Carolina, Virginia Tech

Pittsburgh:
Record: 6-2
Wins: Eastern Michigan, Gardner-Webb, Marquette, Yale, Morehead State, @Maryland
Losses: SMU, Duquesne

IUPUI:
Record: 3-5
Wins: Howard, Eastern Michigan, @Ball State
Losses: @Eastern Kentucky, @Michigan, @Marquette, @SIUE, @Illinois State

Houston Baptist:
Record: 0-4
Wins: 2 non-D1 Opponents
Losses: @Texas Tech, @New Mexico, @Marquette, @Rice

Western Carolina:
Record: 2-5
Wins: 1 non-D1 Opponent, @Jackson State, @Appalachian State
Losses: @Miami (FL), North Carolina Central, @Marshall, @Ohio State, @Marquette

Georgia:
Record: 4-3
Wins: UNC-Asheville, George Washington, Gardner-Web, 1 non-D1 opponent
Losses: @Clemson, Kansas, Marquette

Fresno State:
Record: 4-2
Wins: UTSA, Lamar, @Oregon State, 1 non-D1 opponent, @Drake
Losses: Prairie View A&M, @Cal State Bakersfield

Wisconsin:
Record: 7-2
Wins: Central Arkansas, Chicago State, Tennessee, Georgetown, Prairie View A&M, Syracuse, Oklahoma
Losses: @Creighton, North Carolina

St. Francis (PA):
Record: 2-4
Wins: 1 non-D1 opponent, Longwood, @American
Losses: @St. Bonaventure, @Duquesne, @NJIT, Binghamton

SIU Edwardsville:
Record: 4-4
Wins: @Hawaii, Florida Atlantic, IUPUI, @Grand Canyon
Losses: Texas State, Southern Illinois, @Arkansas State, @Indiana

[MUBigDance]

Thanks for the update...nice to see it all in one place.

But it's turning out to be a downer schedule. Can't afford to lose to any of the teams except the two we lost to and UW. Even Vandy and Ga are uninspiring when you look at it.

It's all about not losing to way inferior teams and the Conference now.

Beating UW would put some pep in it.

[BM1090]

Thanks for the update...nice to see it all in one place.

But it's turning out to be a downer schedule. Can't afford to lose to any of the teams except the two we lost to and UW. Even Vandy and Ga are uninspiring when you look at it.

It's all about not losing to way inferior teams and the Conference now.

Beating UW would put some pep in it.

It's really not that bad though, because most of these teams should win games in their league and boost their RPI. RPIForecast.com currently projects that we will have no 300+ RPI teams on the schedule. St. Francis PA is projected as the worst at 277.

[PGsHeroes32]

Thanks for the update...nice to see it all in one place.

But it's turning out to be a downer schedule. Can't afford to lose to any of the teams except the two we lost to and UW. Even Vandy and Ga are uninspiring when you look at it.

It's all about not losing to way inferior teams and the Conference now.

Beating UW would put some pep in it.

It's really not bad.

And while I don't think georgia is that good idk how you can call them a downer so far

At Clemson and neutral to top 10(or better) Kansas?

[MUBigDance]

It's really not bad.

And while I don't think georgia is that good idk how you can call them a downer so far

At Clemson and neutral to top 10(or better) Kansas?

you are right, we need to let it shake out...maybe a couple of them will surprise in conference. I've already bumped Vandy and Georgia out of the Tourney in my mind....but who knows.  I just don't want to get to the end of the season and do the RPI shuffle again.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

We have the worst SOS in the Big East. Our losses aren't bad, but our wins certainly aren't a good resume builder.

[Cooby Snacks]

We have the worst SOS in the Big East. Our losses aren't bad, but our wins certainly aren't a good resume builder.

Are you looking at RPI? It's especially useless this early in the season, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[Bocephys]

Are you looking at RPI? It's especially useless this early in the season, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[MUBigDance]

Are you looking at RPI? It's especially useless this early in the season, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Right....but watching how our SOS is panning out is worth the concern. We're in a good place 2-2 against bigger conference teams going into UW with the rest wins......But only if they all stay decent. Will our 50-99s turn into 100s? 100s turn into 200s? And (please no) our 200s turn into 300s?

At the end of the season, RPI will matter.

And like any of the stuff we fans have no control over, it's fun to follow and figure... 

[bilsu]

I still believe it is who you beat that matters. Home games against teams 150+ are expected to be wins and only matter if they turn into bad losses. Generally, all road wins are good wins. That is why I argued our non conference schedule was not strong. It is tougher than last year, but I do not believe replacing 300+ teams with 200+ teams in the end makes a difference when the committee is reviewing your resume with an emphasis on your top 50 record. A loss against a top 50 team can be more favorable than a win against a 200+ team. We have Vandy, Michigan, Pitt, Georgia, Fresno St. and UW and they are not likely to be all top 50 teams. That does not compare favorably to UW playing Creighton, Georgetown, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Syracuse and at MU. The Big East schedule is a tough schedule, but we have no control over that.Wisconsin would be a top 50 win and we really need one of those at this point.

[warriorchick]

MTSU 71, Vandy 48.

The Headline in the Nashville paper was 'Mighty MTSU crushes cowering Vanderbilt".

[GGGG]

I still believe it is who you beat that matters. Home games against teams 150+ are expected to be wins and only matter if they turn into bad losses. Generally, all road wins are good wins. That is why I argued our non conference schedule was not strong. It is tougher than last year, but I do not believe replacing 300+ teams with 200+ teams in the end makes a difference when the committee is reviewing your resume with an emphasis on your top 50 record.

You keep saying this despite the fact that everyone keeps pointing out you are wrong.  Playing 200+ teams OOC   most certainly makes your resume better than 300+ teams.  And everyone plays these teams.  Your ideas about how the committee selects teams are about 30 years out of date right now.

[muwarrior69]

You keep saying this despite the fact that everyone keeps pointing out you are wrong.  Playing 200+ teams OOC   most certainly makes your resume better than 300+ teams.  And everyone plays these teams.  Your ideas about how the committee selects teams are about 30 years out of date right now.

I think the OOC schedule we have this season is perfect for the team we have. If we played stronger competition than our record could look like Gtown's or St.John's. Some time winning against cup cakes and teams of equal "talent" builds confidence; and losing a few teaches how to learn from our mistakes. I know we all want to be in the post season (NCAA) this season, but putting a winning program is more important. With players like Cheatham, Howard, Hauser and perhaps Cain coming next year Wojo is building that program albeit much too slow for many of us here on this board.