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Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 04, 2016, 08:26:25 AM
I know one of them dumba$$ read the second post on it. That's all I'm saying and I think it's disgusting that you're comparing her to the 9/11 conspiracy freaks.

I didn't compare her to anybody.  But okay?

mu03eng

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 04, 2016, 08:32:16 AM
Buzz?  Or some one on his coaching staff? 

Cottingham was largely fired because proper training and enforcement of policies were not communicated, instituted or followed within the department.  When alerted of the incident, an action plan and policy should have followed with the coaching staff and team. Instead, he called in a legal friend of the department.

As to the university policy, Cottingham wasn't in that counsel role for a number of years.  The university counsel should be on top of that particular issue as a normal review, making the university very culpable.  "Ignorance of the law..."

Thus, Cottingham was the convenient fall guy.  Pilarz would have loved to have found a lock tight legal cause to fire Buzz and get out of that contract.

Buzz operated outside of even Marquette's rules, as bad as they were, at the time of the incident. I don't believe it was malicious but it was very improper nonetheless, however MU couldn't do anything about it because that would have been as good as admitting culpability in the Title IX cases and would have opened the university to even more financial risk.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

The Lens

I cannot help but think that green-lighting Pilarz, not having a better successor to Wild is what got us into this mess.  So much stems from that leadership vacuum.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

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Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 04, 2016, 08:32:16 AM
Buzz?  Or some one on his coaching staff? 

Cottingham was largely fired because proper training and enforcement of policies were not communicated, instituted or followed within the department.  When alerted of the incident, an action plan and policy should have followed with the coaching staff and team. Instead, he called in a legal friend of the department.


Good points thanks. Regarding your first question, I heard it was Buzz but perhaps it was a member of his staff.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 04, 2016, 08:26:25 AM
I know one of them dumba$$ read the second post on it. That's all I'm saying and I think it's disgusting that you're comparing her to the 9/11 conspiracy freaks.

Pipes -

I understand that for you it's personal. You know her and believe her. That's certainly your prerogative. But a Facebook post doesn't PROVE anything and acting as if it's some sort of smoking gun is dangerous thinking.

mu03eng

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 04, 2016, 09:17:22 AM

Good points thanks. Regarding your first question, I heard it was Buzz but perhaps it was a member of his staff.

Buzz and a member of the staff got involved in different ways based on everything I was told.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

mu03eng

Quote from: The Lens on October 04, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
I cannot help but think that green-lighting Pilarz, not having a better successor to Wild is what got us into this mess.  So much stems from that leadership vacuum.

This is absolutely correct. While Buzz, LW, etc have culpability in the situations none of it had to escalate to the level it did. Pilarz, whether intentionally or not, essentially acted as a fire enhancer as opposed to fire suppressor as he should have. Really have to wonder what the BoT was thinking with the Pilarz hire.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

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Boy, with light-hearted discussion like this the actual basketball games this campaign are going to be quite boring.

jsglow

Quote from: mu03eng on October 04, 2016, 09:43:41 AM
This is absolutely correct. While Buzz, LW, etc have culpability in the situations none of it had to escalate to the level it did. Pilarz, whether intentionally or not, essentially acted as a fire enhancer as opposed to fire suppressor as he should have. Really have to wonder what the BoT was thinking with the Pilarz hire.

That's what happens when you still had a 'must be a Jebbie' clause.  Pilarz was a disaster.  Heard numerous stories after he was gone.

As to Cottinghan, everything mentioned here was a factor.  There were also other screw ups not mentioned. I liked Steve a great deal.  But his departure was more than simply him being a 'fall guy'.

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