Where would Marquette athletics be had it not dropped football in 1960?

[Benny B]

Of course I want UConn in the Big East. They are a great basketball program. What does that have to do with this?

And no, the Big East would have still collapsed. Marquette having a crappy football team wouldn't have changed the fact that the B1G and SEC can take any school they want at any time.

Again, why would you trade our dominance of basketball under Al for a crappy mid major football team?

What makes you so sure that Marquette would have had a crappy football team?  Listen, I think football at Marquette is the dumbest idea since those dumbass krauts decided to attach a people cabin to a balloon filled with hydrogen... but dumb is exactly what makes for an awesome football team.  Look at Alabama... you know anyone who's graduated from Alabama?  Don't feel bad, because neither do any Alabama alums.  Want to get accepted to (the) Ohio State University?  Simply show up on enrollment day with a GED from an Ohio prison and show them how well you can breathe.

You think JJ Watt would have gone to Wisconsin?  He most assuredly wouldn't have even been accepted to Wisconsin because he would been playing for the Gridiron Warriors.

[Herman Cain]

Of course I want UConn in the Big East. They are a great basketball program. What does that have to do with this?

And no, the Big East would have still collapsed. Marquette having a crappy football team wouldn't have changed the fact that the B1G and SEC can take any school they want at any time.

Again, why would you trade our dominance of basketball under Al for a crappy mid major football team?

I think our Football team would have reached its earlier peak levels again. I believe it would have helped basketball and we would be in a better position today if we had football. I believe part of the reason Al was able to recruit, was because the football team had given Marquette visibility. Remember Part of the recruiting pitch , especially in those days pre AAU, was to the high school coaches, who were old enough to recognize Marquette as a major athletic school.

[GGGG]

I believe part of the reason Al was able to recruit, was because the football team had given Marquette visibility.

I think that's a bunch of hooey. 

[Herman Cain]

I think that's a bunch of hooey.

You omitted the rest of the quote. Like I said, Marquette football gave us national recognition before we became a basketball power.

I believe if we kept football going we would be in a very strong position today.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You omitted the rest of the quote. Like I said, Marquette football gave us national recognition before we became a basketball power.

I believe if we kept football going we would be in a very strong position today.

I think that's a bunch of hooey

[Herman Cain]

Would really like to see MU establish a non scholarship football program and play in the Pioneer Football League. The schools that are participating in that league are all having a positive experience with football.

[RJax55]

Would really like to see MU establish a non scholarship football program and play in the Pioneer Football League. The schools that are participating in that league are all having a positive experience with football.

Would be a complete waste of money and resources.

[Herman Cain]

Would be a complete waste of money and resources.

I believe it would create a ground swell of enthusiasm.

[vogue65]

Would really like to see MU establish a non scholarship football program and play in the Pioneer Football League. The schools that are participating in that league are all having a positive experience with football.

In NY Fordham plays Holy Cross, it's a big deal.
Villanova plays football as does Georgetown.
St. Lawrence plays Div. 1 hockey and Div. 3 football.
Football can be played for the love of the sport, everything does not have to come down to money.

Remember that AL liked being an independent, those were the days.

[Lennys Tap]

In NY Fordham plays Holy Cross, it's a big deal.
Villanova plays football as does Georgetown.
St. Lawrence plays Div. 1 hockey and Div. 3 football.
Football can be played for the love of the sport, everything does not have to come down to money.

Remember that AL liked being an independent, those were the days.

Hey Vogue - glad you're OK, hope your friends/loved ones weren't hurt in the earthquake.

[MU82]

I think our Football team would have reached its earlier peak levels again. I believe it would have helped basketball and we would be in a better position today if we had football. I believe part of the reason Al was able to recruit, was because the football team had given Marquette visibility. Remember Part of the recruiting pitch , especially in those days pre AAU, was to the high school coaches, who were old enough to recognize Marquette as a major athletic school.

I believe football was dropped 4 years before Al stepped through Marquette's doors.

I believe football had absolutely nothing to do with Al's success as a basketball coach.

I believe Al would say you are full of beans for this cockamamie belief of yours.

I believe you believe Kostas would have been the best wide receiver in Marquette football history.

I believe you don't actually believe about 2/3 of the stuff you write on Scoop. At least I hope you believe that.

[GGGG]

I believe it would create a ground swell of enthusiasm.

Average Pioneer League game attendance in 2015:  3,441

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I believe it would create a ground swell of enthusiasm.

I know it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and that money would be taken away from much more valuable things. Our USWNR ranking would surely suffer!

[Herman Cain]

I know it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and that money would be taken away from much more valuable things. Our USWNR ranking would surely suffer!

Do some research on Pioneer League football. It is not a hundred of millions of dollars proposition. There are no scholarships.

I think over time it would help our USWNR ranking.

[warriorchick]

I think over time it would help our USWNR ranking.

How, exactly? 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Do some research on Pioneer League football. It is not a hundred of millions of dollars proposition. There are no scholarships.

I think over time it would help our USWNR ranking.

Facilities, coaches, support staff, administrators, security, conference fees, travel, etc all add up really quickly. Hundreds of millions was a purposeful exaggeration. It would cost millions. You would also need to spend money funding an additional women's sport. All for a team that no one would give two shats about and would make negative money.

D1 hockey would be a much better investment than a pioneer league football team.

[GGGG]

Facilities, coaches, support staff, administrators, security, conference fees, travel, etc all add up really quickly. Hundreds of millions was a purposeful exaggeration. It would cost millions. You would also need to spend money funding an additional women's sport. All for a team that no one would give two shats about and would make negative money.

D1 hockey would be a much better investment than a pioneer league football team.

All those Canadians would depress our USN&WR ranking though.

[manny31]

This is a classic Scoop thread. As long as we are eyeing an alternate universe here is what would have happened if MU would have kept football.......In 1966, two years after joining the Big 1? along with ND, Pittsburgh, and PSU, MU establishes itself as "The Jesuit University" in the Big1? by beating both U of M and a fading power in OSU two years in a row to become the first Big1? team to go undefeated in conference play for two consecutive years. Bowl games, you guessed it, two straight blow out wins over USC (42-3 and 37-0) This would only the start of "The Jesuit University" dominance in college sports. TJU would go on to win top AP and UPI honors in football 21 times in in the next 50 years. TJU hoops would also flourish winning the NCAA 13 times in those 50 years(Al got 6, Majerus 3, Dukiet 1, Deane 2, O'Neil 2, Crean 0, Buzz 4, Wojo 2 in two years) Things are good academically too, reasearchers at "TJU" cure Cancer, AIDS, and the scourge known as badger fandom. Bang!

[vogue65]

Hey Vogue - glad you're OK, hope your friends/loved ones weren't hurt in the earthquake.

Thanks, our place is in the north, Italy has its issues with earthquakes and volcanos.

MIT and Johnson Hopkins have Div.  3 football.  What schools do we consider our peers?

Buffalo and Idaho have Div. 1 football.  Small schools like Quinnipac and Providence are very successful with Div 1 hockey.

Long past time to get out of the big time football mentality.

[brewcity77]

TJU hoops would also flourish winning the NCAA 13 times in those 50 years(Al got 6, Majerus 3, Dukiet 1, Deane 2, O'Neil 2, Crean 0, Buzz 4, Wojo 2 in two years)

While I whole-heartedly embrace flights of fancy, the idea that Dukiet would have got 1 title to Crean's 0 is just too far in the realm of delusion. Surely Wade would have been joined by Lebron and Bosh in college rather than just the pros, and their friendship would have led to two titles before they left for the NBA together.

[tower912]

While I whole-heartedly embrace flights of fancy, the idea that Dukiet would have got 1 title to Crean's 0 is just too far in the realm of delusion. Surely Wade would have been joined by Lebron and Bosh in college rather than just the pros, and their friendship would have led to two titles before they left for the NBA together.

Nah, he still would have gotten rolled by Kansas.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This is a classic Scoop thread. As long as we are eyeing an alternate universe here is what would have happened if MU would have kept football.......In 1966, two years after joining the Big 1? along with ND, Pittsburgh, and PSU, MU establishes itself as "The Jesuit University" in the Big1? by beating both U of M and a fading power in OSU two years in a row to become the first Big1? team to go undefeated in conference play for two consecutive years. Bowl games, you guessed it, two straight blow out wins over USC (42-3 and 37-0) This would only the start of "The Jesuit University" dominance in college sports. TJU would go on to win top AP and UPI honors in football 21 times in in the next 50 years. TJU hoops would also flourish winning the NCAA 13 times in those 50 years(Al got 6, Majerus 3, Dukiet 1, Deane 2, O'Neil 2, Crean 0, Buzz 4, Wojo 2 in two years) Things are good academically too, reasearchers at "TJU" cure Cancer, AIDS, and the scourge known as badger fandom. Bang!

In this alternate universe "it's Indiana, it's Indiana" would have been interrupted by bouts of tearful blubbering

[Herman Cain]

#15 Houston AAC beating  #3 Oklahoma great game on ABC. In the
Alternative Universe MU would be the double header football game against North Carolina at Miller Park.

[GGGG]

In the Alternative Universe MU would be the double header football game against North Carolina at Miller Park.

In front of 25,000...

[forgetful]

I think that's a bunch of hooey

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