The spirit of the Olympics

[Benny B]

The problem though is that it is in so many supplements (unlisted ingredient) that it is easy to accidentally test positive for it. 

If she really wanted to cheat she would be taking HGH or testosterone not DHEA.

Then.  Don't.  Take.  Supplements.

Caveat emptor.  Why is this so hard for athletes to understand?

[GGGG]

Then.  Don't.  Take.  Supplements.

Caveat emptor.  Why is this so hard for athletes to understand?

Doesn't pretty much every athlete take supplements of some sort?

[wadesworld]

Doesn't pretty much every athlete human being take supplements of some sort?

[MU82]

Doesn't pretty much every athlete take supplements of some sort?

All of the U.S. pro leagues have highly detailed lists of supplements that contain banned substances. If an athlete takes one of these and then is caught, he has nobody to blame but himself.

I don't know if the IOC has a similar list. If not, it should.

[GGGG]

All of the U.S. pro leagues have highly detailed lists of supplements that contain banned substances. If an athlete takes one of these and then is caught, he has nobody to blame but himself.

I agree with this completely.  I just don't see how athletes can simply avoid them all together as Benny suggests.  Many view them as integral to work out routines.

[Pakuni]

All of the U.S. pro leagues have highly detailed lists of supplements that contain banned substances. If an athlete takes one of these and then is caught, he has nobody to blame but himself.

I don't know if the IOC has a similar list. If not, it should.

WADA annually publishes an exhaustive list of banned substances, which is why I rarely buy it when an Olympic-level athlete claims to have taken a banned substance by mistake. It's not hard to find out what one can and cannot take, and most of these athletes have access to people - coaches, trainers, doctors - available to find out for them.

http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-all-times/prohibited-substances/

[MU82]

WADA annually publishes an exhaustive list of banned substances, which is why I rarely buy it when an Olympic-level athlete claims to have taken a banned substance by mistake. It's not hard to find out what one can and cannot take, and most of these athletes have access to people - coaches, trainers, doctors - available to find out for them.

http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-all-times/prohibited-substances/

Exactly. I can't remember which NFL player it was last season, but one guy was suspended and then admitted he didn't see the NFL's list.

Sorry, but ignorance is never a valid defense.

And the guys saying that kind of thing usually are lying anyway.

[Benny B]

Doesn't pretty much every athlete take supplements of some sort?

There's a huge difference between taking a Flintstones Multivitamin and something that doesn't even list any ingredients on the jar.

[forgetful]

There's a huge difference between taking a Flintstones Multivitamin and something that doesn't even list any ingredients on the jar.

She admits the mistake.  Says it happened when she first came to the US.  She went to the GNC and bought a supplement.  Couldn't read English well enough to read the ingredient list. 

Says it was her own fault and served an 16-month suspension from competition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/in-villifying-russian-swimmer-yulia-efimova-americans-are-splashing-murky-waters/2016/08/10/0ccdba8a-5eef-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html

Coach also comments on the supplements.  Says he gave up a long time ago in trying to get athletes to quit taking them.

[real chili 83]

What time does the walleye event come on tonight?

[GGGG]

Ok that women's 100 free was pretty cool.

[wadesworld]

This US vs. Brazil match has been pretty cool. Can't let Brazil smoke you to get back in it in set 3. Getting 1 point is nice. Need 3.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

This US vs. Brazil match has been pretty cool. Can't let Brazil smoke you to get back in it in set 3. Getting 1 point is nice. Need 3.

International substitute and Libero rules are silly. Amazing this is the same team that got swept by Canada. Guess that's what happens with young guys.

[Pakuni]

She admits the mistake.  Says it happened when she first came to the US.  She went to the GNC and bought a supplement.  Couldn't read English well enough to read the ingredient list. 

Says it was her own fault and served an 16-month suspension from competition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/in-villifying-russian-swimmer-yulia-efimova-americans-are-splashing-murky-waters/2016/08/10/0ccdba8a-5eef-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html

Coach also comments on the supplements.  Says he gave up a long time ago in trying to get athletes to quit taking them.

Elite athlete who's been competing in international events - including the Olympics -   and under international doping regulations since she was 16 years old just saunters into a GNC at the age of 21, pulls some random supplement off the shelves and begins taking it without bothering to find out what it contained?
That's a totally credible story.
Like, "Ryan Braun was set up by an anti-Semitic urine collector" kind of credible.

[wadesworld]

International substitute and Libero rules are silly. Amazing this is the same team that got swept by Canada. Guess that's what happens with young guys.

College has gone to the same rules, all thanks to Speraw.

[MU82]

There's a huge difference between taking a Flintstones Multivitamin and something that doesn't even list any ingredients on the jar.

Yeah, just ask Sammy Sosa!

[HouWarrior]

Htown chased a failed bid a few years back, too.

Today we are enjoying Houston's amazing Simone Biles Indiv Gold, and the Womens gymnastics  team gold...they train at the Karolyi Ranch north of town. USA Gymnastics announced last month that they are buying the ranch from Karolyis to serve as the continuing permanent training center. The Karolyis are retiring but will still live on the ranch.

Another Htown Simone had a good day, too...Simone Manuel of Sugarland landed the first individual Gold for an african american USA swimmer.

I guess what made it really neat for me is we were watching the games last night over at the Ostermans ....who live a few houses away. Our girls went to Cy Springs High (an MU connection is Karon Bradley was then there playing BB, before committing to MU) They brought out Cat's softball gold medal from Athens 2004 ....first time I ever held one...neat feeling.

[Benny B]

Elite athlete who's been competing in international events - including the Olympics -   and under international doping regulations since she was 16 years old just saunters into a GNC at the age of 21, pulls some random supplement off the shelves and begins taking it without bothering to find out what it contained?
That's a totally credible story.
Like, "Ryan Braun was set up by an anti-Semitic urine collector" kind of credible.

The fact that Pakuni and I are in complete agreement on something is unequivocal proof that our cynicism is dead-on correct and attempting to counter-point is detrimental to one's intelligence.

[tower912]

USWNT goes down in penalty kicks!  Wow. 

[wadesworld]

Elimination games in woman's sports is the worst. Crying on both the winning and losing team.

[brewcity77]

USWNT goes down in penalty kicks!  Wow.

Gutted by that one. What would have been a game-winner ruled out for Lloyd, only to see another would-be winner ruled out at the other end. Neither call looked correct. Poor penalties cost us the tournament, though I think it's as much Pia Sundhage as anything. Probably the best women's manager in the world, and definitely seems to be in our players' heads.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

USWNT goes down in penalty kicks!  Wow.

That's why they play the game.

That being said, I detest any game in any sport won whether based on Penalty Kicks or a hockey shoot out.  Keep playing sudden death overtime until somebody scores.  If the winner is too exhausted the next game that's the price to pay for winning and moving on to the next round.

[wadesworld]

That's why they play the game.

That being said, I detest any game in any sport won whether based on Penalty Kicks or a hockey shoot out.  Keep playing sudden death overtime until somebody scores.  If the winner is too exhausted the next game that's the price to pay for winning and moving on to the next round.

In a sport where nobody tries to score for 95% of the time, that sounds like a horrendous idea.

[GGGG]

That's why they play the game.

That being said, I detest any game in any sport won whether based on Penalty Kicks or a hockey shoot out.  Keep playing sudden death overtime until somebody scores.  If the winner is too exhausted the next game that's the price to pay for winning and moving on to the next round.

Most soccer fans believe the Golden Goal rule made the game even more cautious and defensive. 

[brewcity77]

Golden Goal will never be back. There isn't enough of a world desire for the sudden death. That said, I chuckle at wades' typical American comment. Sounds like someone who watches the NFL, a sport where literally only 94% of the time people spend watching the game is actual live action.