Warriors vs Cavaliers II

[rocket surgeon]

If you don't see DG giving an extra flale to his arm as LBJ stepped over him,  I honestly don't know what to say.

ok, best replay i've seen.  the "extra flail" however, is subjective at best.  i don't think green knew he was going to tickle the tube steak.  it was all reactionary and emotional, but given green's reputation, no benefit of the doubt is given. 

dellevedova on the other hand has been voted NBA's dirtiest player by his peers and he get's the benefit of the doubt?

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/01/17/cleveland-cavaliers-matthew-dellavedova-voted-dirtiest-player

[wadesworld]

If you don't see DG giving an extra flale to his arm as LBJ stepped over him,  I honestly don't know what to say.

He hit him in the nuts.

You and wades are reaching Nersian levels of ignorance on this topic. 

Hitting someone in the nuts:


Not hitting someone in the nuts:
https://twitter.com/bballforeverfb/status/738564614225600513

Got it.

I'm just ignorant.

[reinko]

But again, I guess Delly didn't hit Iggy's nuts...

Lol.

Effin fine,  Dell hit him square in the nuts,  and the NBA should have assessed him a flagrant.   Now back to argument at hand.   Good lord,  like arguing with 8 year old.

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Effin fine,  Dell hit him square in the nuts,  and the NBA should have assessed him a flagrant.   Now back to argument at hand.   Good lord,  like arguing with 8 year old.

BUT CAN'T YOU SEE!!???!!!  IT'S ALL PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!!!

[wadesworld]

Effin fine,  Dell hit him square in the nuts,  and the NBA should have assessed him a flagrant.   Now back to argument at hand.   Good lord,  like arguing with 8 year old.

Right, it is like arguing with an 8 year old.  When someone brings up the fact that the NBA completely ignored a square hit to the balls just 2 games prior to this I don't understand for the life of me how you can assess a flagrant foul to Draymond Green for what he did.  It's beyond absurd.  You, the NBA, and 8 year olds all tried to ignore it until you finally got fed up with someone bringing up the hypocrisy.  Sorry you don't like it.  Unfortunately the NBA will stand strong and just continue to ignore the clear inconsistency here.

[wadesworld]

BUT CAN'T YOU SEE!!???!!!  IT'S ALL PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!!!

I see you will continue to ignore it, though.  You aren't ignorant like me.

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I see you will continue to ignore it, though.  You aren't ignorant like me.

MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED!!!  MY ENTIRE LIFE IS A LIE!!!! 

DAVID STERN IS A FREEMASON!!!!!

[wadesworld]

MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED!!!  MY ENTIRE LIFE IS A LIE!!!! 

DAVID STERN IS A FREEMASON!!!!!

Hot takes from Steven A everyone.

Like arguing with an 8 year old.

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Hot takes from Steven A everyone.

Like arguing with an 8 year old.

DID YOU KNOW THAT ADAM SILVER ONCE SNORTED COCAINE AND DAN GILBERT HAS IT ON VIDEO???

IT'S TRUE!!!!!!

[wadesworld]

DID YOU KNOW THAT ADAM SILVER ONCE SNORTED COCAINE AND DAN GILBERT HAS IT ON VIDEO???

IT'S TRUE!!!!!!

Keep it going, you're on a roll kid.

[rocket surgeon]

Hitting someone in the nuts:


Not hitting someone in the nuts:
https://twitter.com/bballforeverfb/status/738564614225600513

Got it.

I'm just ignorant.

note the difference in the "victims" reactions.  lebron didn't flinch.  iggy reacted like most everyone(guys) when they take one for the team.  either lebron's are balls of steel or draymond missed

[forgetful]

Green's motion is actually pretty normal for a person getting up quickly from a seated position.  Because of momentum and retaining balance your off hand usually flails out.

Regardless, the contact was minimal and initiated by Lebron.  Should have been a flagrant on Lebron for the shove and step over (unnecessary contact) and also a technical for the subsequent scuffle. 

Green should have gotten a technical for the subsequent scuffle.  The flagrant on Green is absurdly ridiculous.

[JWags85]

I think if he really intended to hit him in the nuts, he wouldn't have immediately pushed at him once he got up.  Either way, its funny that Lebron finally lashing out and getting chippy, as happened multiple times in the 3rd and 4th quarter, led to a net benefit for the Cavs.

He's also a great dad to his illegitimate child in Miami.

[reinko]

Green's motion is actually pretty normal for a person getting up quickly from a seated position.  Because of momentum and retaining balance your off hand usually flails out.

Regardless, the contact was minimal and initiated by Lebron.  Should have been a flagrant on Lebron for the shove and step over (unnecessary contact) and also a technical for the subsequent scuffle. 

Green should have gotten a technical for the subsequent scuffle.  The flagrant on Green is absurdly ridiculous.

Cool, so why only does right arm flail like a fish that just got caught, while his left stays as is.

I'm not trying to be obtuse,  and yes I agree that Delly should have been called,  and agree that refs are biased toward superstars,  including LBJ.   But cmon,  DG was cleared po'ed that LBJ tried but failed horribly to punk him,  and swung his arm and hit his man parts,  that's flagrant.   Not much more to add.

[wadesworld]

I think if he really intended to hit him in the nuts, he wouldn't have immediately pushed at him once he got up.  Either way, its funny that Lebron finally lashing out and getting chippy, as happened multiple times in the 3rd and 4th quarter, led to a net benefit for the Cavs.

He's also a great dad to his illegitimate child in Miami.

Exactly.  If by, "A great husband and father," he meant he's willing to pay for the kids that he doesn't live with year round and pay their mothers that he is not a husband to to keep quiet then yes, a great father and husband he is.

[forgetful]

Cool, so why only does right arm flail like a fish that just got caught, while his left stays as is.

I'm not trying to be obtuse,  and yes I agree that Delly should have been called,  and agree that refs are biased toward superstars,  including LBJ.   But cmon,  DG was cleared po'ed that LBJ tried but failed horribly to punk him,  and swung his arm and hit his man parts,  that's flagrant.   Not much more to add.

He pushed up with his left hand.  Body mechanics says the right has to move outward away from the body to maintain balance.  Had he pushed up with his right hand it would have been his left that flailed.

Also, there is a large body up and to his right.  The logical thing is to use your off hand to brace yourself from getting hit in the head/body and knocked back to the ground.  So his right hand instinctively comes off the floor first and then has to move outward away from the body to maintain balance. 

Now he did try to hit him, but after he got up and he missed.

Showed the video to my wife, who doesn't know who Green is and has zero opinion of Lebron.  Her first comment that it is pretty weak to give a flagrant when he missed him.

I then had to walk her through the other "flail".  She laughed, said that was a natural motion and no way is it a flagrant foul.

She is as unbiased as it gets.

[wadesworld]

Cool, so why only does right arm flail like a fish that just got caught, while his left stays as is.

I'm not trying to be obtuse,  and yes I agree that Delly should have been called,  and agree that refs are biased toward superstars,  including LBJ.   But cmon,  DG was cleared po'ed that LBJ tried but failed horribly to punk him,  and swung his arm and hit his man parts,  that's flagrant.   Not much more to add.

Because he just used his left arm to help him get up, so it was at the ground.  Honestly, the guy is looking to his left and towards the ground.  LeBron is to his right and above him.  Yes, he flailed his arm in an attempt to hit LeBron for throwing him to the ground and stepping over him.  But to flagrantly hit the guy in the balls you typically don't see someone looking the opposite direction and still somehow hitting his target (with an open hand, and hitting his balls with his forearm) through the legs.  Personally if I really wanted to hit a guy in the balls on the basketball court, I wouldn't be thinking, "I'm going to try to do it while I'm on the ground behind him and I'm going to do it with my forearm."

At any rate, let's say Draymond came out and straight up said, "My intention was to punch LeBron's balls as hard as I could."  Even if that was the case, the inconsistency of Delly having a closed fisted punch right into Iggy's balls and receiving a common foul after a review and Green's maybe tapping LeBron's sack with like an inch below the inside of his elbow and getting a flagrant foul called...after an on court review that still left it simply at a double foul for the ensuing scuffle, is beyond ridiculous.

[forgetful]

As for consistency.  Look at the Flagrant 1 called on Green for pushing Beasley.

Then look at Lebron shoving Green to the ground...and then on the rebound shoving him to the ground again.

Very very similar plays.  There wasn't even a whistle for the first push.

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I HAVE BEEN DOING SOME READING, AND I AM PRETTY SURE THE MOON LANDINGS WERE STAGED!!!!  CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT????

IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!!

[wadesworld]

I HAVE BEEN DOING SOME READING, AND I AM PRETTY SURE THE MOON LANDINGS WERE STAGED!!!!  CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT????

IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!!

Sultan's been getting extra defensive lately. Who knew it'd be LeBron that'd put him over the top?

Keep going. This is great.

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Sultan's been getting extra defensive lately. Who knew it'd be LeBron that'd put him over the top?

Keep going. This is great.

Hardly defensive.  I just find it party humorous, and partly pathetic, that people can view that video in real time and not think it was intentional.  And then of course these same people have to dip into the sad, sad "NBA is a conspiracy" line to justify it...

[wadesworld]

Hardly defensive.  I just find it party humorous, and partly pathetic, that people can view that video in real time and not think it was intentional.  And then of course these same people have to dip into the sad, sad "NBA is a conspiracy" line to justify it...

Incredibly defensive.

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I have nothing to be defensive about since I'm not the one making stuff up.  But whatever makes you feel better about ignoring reality...

[wadesworld]

I have nothing to be defensive about since I'm not the one making stuff up.  But whatever makes you feel better about ignoring reality...

Says the guy who continues to ignore the fact that Delly closed fisted punched Iggy square in the nuts and was assessed a common foul.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to think the NBA *gasp* got something wrong. If any touching of the groin area is a flagrant foul then it's pretty clear that Delly flagrantly fouled Iggy, in which case they got that wrong. If a groin touch isn't an automatic flagrant that's fine, but Delly's was far more severe than Draymond's. So either way, the NBA got at least one of the 2 situations wrong, if not both.

If not taking the NBA as infallible is being a conspiracy theorist, then I'm all in on the conspiracies.

Sorry to interrupt. Give me more. 9/11 an inside job?

[GGGG]

I am not ignoring the Delladova foul.  The NBA got it wrong.