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Next up: A long offseason

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Date/Time: Oct 4, 2025
TV: NA
Schedule for 2024-25
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Poll:If You were an NBA GM who would you pick?

Henry Ellenson
Deyonta Davis
Ben Bentil
Brice Johnson

Herman Cain

Latest Draft Express
10. Henry Ellenson
16. Deyonta Davis
30. Brice Johnson
47. Ben Bentil

They  have Henry going to the Bucks.

Latest NBA Draft.net
12. Henry Ellenson
13. Deyonta Davis
20. Brice Johnson
36. Ben Bentil

They have Bentil going to the Bucks.

If a combination of these two mocks is correct it is possible Henry and Ben could be teammates.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brandx

Interesting that Bentil is the 2nd choice in the poll.

I'm guessing that means more people saw him than Davis or Johnson.

Blackhat

I think Henry will fall to later in the first.   I'd take Brice Johnson from that pool.

wadesworld

Quote from: brandx on June 20, 2016, 10:24:19 PM
Interesting that Bentil is the 2nd choice in the poll.

I'm guessing that means more people saw him than Davis or Johnson.

Yup.  Bentil was a great college player.  He won't be able to shoot from 3 in the NBA and he won't be able to beat guys off the dribble in the NBA and he won't be able to overpower guys in the NBA.

Quote from: Blackhat on June 20, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
I think Henry will fall to later in the first.   I'd take Brice Johnson from that pool.

Hank wasn't working out with the team that has the #2 overall pick because they think they can get him in the 2nd round.  He's a top 10 pick.  If he's around when the Bucks pick he's going there.  Bucks front office was talking about how he shot the ball better than anybody who has worked out with them in the last 7 years or so.

Johnson is John Henson 2.0.  Long, athletic beanpole who will get beat up by bigger posts and can't score outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Blackhat

Johnson is 10x the athlete that Henson is.   If Johnson can improve his 15 footer a little more he can be a double digit scorer.   He's got the most upside which is what I'd be looking for.

wadesworld

Quote from: Blackhat on June 20, 2016, 11:03:36 PM
Johnson is 10x the athlete that Henson is.   If Johnson can improve his 15 footer a little more he can be a double digit scorer.   He's got the most upside which is what I'd be looking for.

Agree to disagree.  They're nearly identical players coming out of UNC, except Henson was younger.

Jay Bee

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2016, 11:10:53 PM
Agree to disagree.  They're nearly identical players coming out of UNC, except Henson was younger.

6 month age difference, a''ina?

Brice, Junior year
114.3 ORtg, 24.3% usage, 26.7% %Shots
Brice, Senior year
126.8. 24.6%, 24.2%
Brice, Career
57.5% 2FG%, 71% FT

107.0 ORtg (98 & 95 as a So & Fr, respectively), 22.1% usage, 24.8% %Shots
Henson, Career
50.5% 2FG%, 48% FT

Henson = shot blocker; not going to ever give you much on offense.
Brice = can give you offense.

I think these two are quite different in their offensive abilities... with Brice being far, far better.
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wadesworld

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
6 month age difference, a''ina?

Brice, Junior year
114.3 ORtg, 24.3% usage, 26.7% %Shots
Brice, Senior year
126.8. 24.6%, 24.2%
Brice, Career
57.5% 2FG%, 71% FT

107.0 ORtg (98 & 95 as a So & Fr, respectively), 22.1% usage, 24.8% %Shots
Henson, Career
50.5% 2FG%, 48% FT

Henson = shot blocker; not going to ever give you much on offense.
Brice = can give you offense.

I think these two are quite different in their offensive abilities... with Brice being far, far better.

We'll see. Brice was my favorite player to watch this year but I just don't see him being a highly productive pro. I see him as a high energy rebounder who gets beat up by bigger and stronger bigs.

PS I'm guess it's Baldwin to the Bucks if Hank isn't around. I wish it was Luwawu to the Bucks if Hank wasn't around, but wouldn't hate Baldwin. Better than Poeltl. M

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brandx

#109
Quote from: Blackhat on June 20, 2016, 11:03:36 PM
Johnson is 10x the athlete that Henson is.   If Johnson can improve his 15 footer a little more he can be a double digit scorer.   He's got the most upside which is what I'd be looking for.

I disagree as well. I think he probably has the least upside. But he is a good, young, active player who could become a part of a team's rotation

brandx

I think Marquese Chriss is this year's Paul George.

There was a lot of talk back in 2010 that George was the sleeper pick in the draft and he had a real chance to be a superstar - yet he lasted to #10 behind studs like Even Turner, Wesley Johnson, Epke Udoh, etc.

It will be interesting to see where he goes.


Spotcheck Billy

Hearing a rumored Celtics trade with the Bucks: #3 for #10 + Middleton

wadesworld

Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on June 21, 2016, 03:44:05 PM
Hearing a rumored Celtics trade with the Bucks: #3 for #10 + Middleton

So trading one of their good pieces and hanging onto their terrible pieces in order to pick up a question mark.  Sounds like the Bucks.

naginiF

Quote from: wadesworld on June 21, 2016, 04:54:02 PM
So trading one of their good pieces and hanging onto their terrible pieces in order to pick up a question mark.  Sounds like the Bucks.
If i was an NBA GM i wouldn't even pick up the phone when Ainge called or make eye contact with him at the draft.  whatever happens might not screw you but it'll definitely help him.

(ditto for Spielman if i was an NFL GM)

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Ellensons got trashed today on the Score by NBA expert Jason Goff.

"I'm not going to pretend I follow Marquette basketball, but whenever Henry goes, Wally is following. The next Taylor Griffin."

Ringing endorsement from an NBA guy and the information he's getting.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Vander Blue Man Group

Based on most mocks I've seen it seems like the consensus is the Henry goes between 9 and 13.

wadesworld

Quote from: PTM on June 21, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Ellensons got trashed today on the Score by NBA expert Jason Goff.

"I'm not going to pretend I follow Marquette basketball, but whenever Henry goes, Wally is following. The next Taylor Griffin."

Ringing endorsement from an NBA guy and the information he's getting.

Sounds like Giannis. And probably hundreds of other professional athletes.

Wade for President

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 21, 2016, 10:26:44 PM
Interesting scouting report on Henry.
http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2016/6/20/11972198/2016-NBA-Draft-prospect-Henry-Ellenson-Orlando-Magic

Seems like Orlando may be interested.

That might be the most in depth scouting report on a prospect and how he fits with the team's needs, that I have read in quite sometime. 

Henry won't last past the 10th pick. 

I've been thinking about the possibility of Henry being drafted by the Bucks.  Clearly a lot of pros with that move (close to home, ambassador for MU bball, etc), but are there cons?

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Quote from: wadesworld on June 22, 2016, 06:24:45 AM
Sounds like Giannis. And probably hundreds of other professional athletes.

The fact that a NBA guy knows Wally's name, means NBA teams are talking about Wally in regards to Henry. Probably not a positive.

GGGG

Quote from: PTM on June 21, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Ellensons got trashed today on the Score by NBA expert Jason Goff.

"I'm not going to pretend I follow Marquette basketball, but whenever Henry goes, Wally is following. The next Taylor Griffin."

Ringing endorsement from an NBA guy and the information he's getting.


I'm not sure I get it.  So Wally will hang around his brother?  Is that a bad thing?

🏀

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 22, 2016, 08:28:43 AM

I'm not sure I get it.  So Wally will hang around his brother?  Is that a bad thing?

I could be looking at it more negatively than most. I just thought it was odd that Henry was mentioned in a discussion about the Bulls draft and the only tidbit to be added was bringing up his virtually unknown brother.

KampusFoods

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 22, 2016, 08:28:43 AM

I'm not sure I get it.  So Wally will hang around his brother?  Is that a bad thing?

Better than hanging around with those thugs at Roc Nation

GGGG

I guess I don't understand the context in which Goff mentioned it.  On the face of it, I don't see much harm in a 19 year old millionaire having his brother hang around with him.  I don't think Wally is a bad influence by any means. 

And I don't get the Taylor Griffin reference.  He played in Italy last year.

GGGG

Quote from: RKMU123 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:12 AM
Better than hanging around with those thugs at Roc Nation


Dude you never heard about the Rice Lake Posse?

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