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Poll:If You were an NBA GM who would you pick?

Henry Ellenson
Deyonta Davis
Ben Bentil
Brice Johnson

Herman Cain

If You were an NBA GM and Your team desperately needs a big, with job riding on the outcome which one of these guys would you pick?
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brandx

Just my opinion ....

Davis is an unknown and at least a couple years away from having any effect.

Brice has always been known as a guy who was not willing to put in the hard work necessary.

Bentil could be a solid rotation guy, but he's a tweener - don't know if he can defend at '3' or '4'.

So I voted for Ellenson. Don't think he will ever be a star in the league, but will be a solid rotation guy and could develop into a borderline all-star.

Herman Cain

Quote from: brandx on May 06, 2016, 11:32:17 PM
Just my opinion ....

Davis is an unknown and at least a couple years away from having any effect.

Brice has always been known as a guy who was not willing to put in the hard work necessary.

Bentil could be a solid rotation guy, but he's a tweener - don't know if he can defend at '3' or '4'.

So I voted for Ellenson. Don't think he will ever be a star in the league, but will be a solid rotation guy and could develop into a borderline all-star.
The Cracked Sidewalks interview with Draft Express would support the notion of Davis being a high pick.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brewcity77

I haven't seen enough from Davis to believe in his potential, while I don't see Johnson as a high upside guy.

I like Henry, but I love Bentil. He can do everything you want a stretch 4 to do. He can still improve his frame, has size and athleticism, can shoot from outside, and has great low post footwork. Plus, he's only been playing a handful of years, so he's still learning the game.

I think Henry is a high floor, lower ceiling type guy. Worst case is a starter that gives 12/8. I'd roll the dice on the guy I feel has higher upside.

Herman Cain

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 07, 2016, 08:09:09 PM
I haven't seen enough from Davis to believe in his potential, while I don't see Johnson as a high upside guy.

I like Henry, but I love Bentil. He can do everything you want a stretch 4 to do. He can still improve his frame, has size and athleticism, can shoot from outside, and has great low post footwork. Plus, he's only been playing a handful of years, so he's still learning the game.

I think Henry is a high floor, lower ceiling type guy. Worst case is a starter that gives 12/8. I'd roll the dice on the guy I feel has higher upside.
Do You think Bentil will return for another year?
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brewcity77

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on May 07, 2016, 08:10:36 PM
Do You think Bentil will return for another year?

Honestly no idea. From rankings, I think he's the most underrated player in this draft. Granted, my opinion means nothing, but I love his game and think it translates well to the next level.

Herman Cain

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 07, 2016, 08:23:39 PM
Honestly no idea. From rankings, I think he's the most underrated player in this draft. Granted, my opinion means nothing, but I love his game and think it translates well to the next level.
I am very surprised he is rated so low. I think the Combine may change that. Especially if he measures out to his listed height.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

CTWarrior

#7
Quote from: brandx on May 06, 2016, 11:32:17 PM
Bentil could be a solid rotation guy, but he's a tweener - don't know if he can defend at '3' or '4'...
...whereas we know Henry can't defend an NBA 3 or 4.  Who can Henry guard that Bentil can't?  Bentil was the better player this past season, had better shooting percentages (FG% ,3FG% and FT%) is more athletic and seems to have a better motor.  He is only one year older than Henry.  Henry is much smoother with the ball, and I'm sure that means a lot.  I get that Henry's larger frame ultimately makes him the better prospect, but I guess I don't understand why the large gulf between them as prospects.  Guys who get paid a lot of money to figure this out say so, so it is likely true.  I just don't get it.
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Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

Marcus92

Bentil has a number of limitations at this point. Start with his physical profile.

He's listed at 6'9". That's short of the ideal height NBA teams look for in a power forward — think Kevin Love, Anthony Davis and Blake Griffin (all 6'10") or even LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMarcus Cousins (both 6'11"). That extra length makes a difference on both ends of the court at the next level.

Ben has some intriguing tools to work with — a good inside game, combined with decent range. He turnover rate is impressively low given his high usage. But he doesn't have the athleticism to match up against NBA small forwards — a position loaded with great athletes like Lebron, Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler and Giannis. Bentil also isn't a great jump-shooter or rebounder yet.

I could see Bentil eventually finding a place in the NBA. But he's got a lot of work to do first.
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MerrittsMustache

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on May 06, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
If You were an NBA GM and Your team desperately needs a big, with job riding on the outcome which one of these guys would you pick?

Brice Johnson

He's a bit of a headcase but he has the highest ceiling of those guys. Job on the line, I'd go for broke.


brandx

Quote from: CTWarrior on May 09, 2016, 12:22:06 PM
...whereas we know Henry can't defend an NBA 3 or 4.  Who can Henry guard that Bentil can't?  Bentil was the better player this past season, had better shooting percentages (FG% ,3FG% and FT%) is more athletic and seems to have a better motor.  He is only one year older than Henry.  Henry is much smoother with the ball, and I'm sure that means a lot.  I get that Henry's larger frame ultimately makes him the better prospect, but I guess I don't understand why the large gulf between them as prospects.  Guys who get paid a lot of money to figure this out say so, so it is likely true.  I just don't get it.

No comparison at all if you use the freshman year. Bentil was 6 points and 5 rebounds a game.

brandx

Quote from: Marcus92 on May 09, 2016, 01:01:18 PM
Bentil has a number of limitations at this point. Start with his physical profile.

He's listed at 6'9". That's short of the ideal height NBA teams look for in a power forward — think Kevin Love, Anthony Davis and Blake Griffin (all 6'10") or even LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMarcus Cousins (both 6'11"). That extra length makes a difference on both ends of the court at the next level.

Ben has some intriguing tools to work with — a good inside game, combined with decent range. He turnover rate is impressively low given his high usage. But he doesn't have the athleticism to match up against NBA small forwards — a position loaded with great athletes like Lebron, Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler and Giannis. Bentil also isn't a great jump-shooter or rebounder yet.

I could see Bentil eventually finding a place in the NBA. But he's got a lot of work to do first.

Much deeper explanation of me earlier comment - "he's a tweener".

If he is 6'9" he will go pretty high. I suspect he is closer to 6'7", though.

wadesworld

Bentil won't be a very good pro.  He's a smaller version of Frank Kaminsky.

Johnson is John Henson 2.0.  Not horrendous, but not what you hope for in a 1st rounder.

Davis's absolute dream would be Larry Sanders with his head on straight, but he's not going to get there.

Give me Hank, who will absolutely be able to score at the next level.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brewcity77

I think Bentil is a better athlete than many are crediting him for. I also think it's worth noting he's only been playing organized basketball for about six years.

Herman Cain

#15
I think Henry and Bentil are  likely to go to a team that has multiple first round picks. The theory is they would pick someone that was more well rounded on the first pick and use the second or third first round pick on some one with some questions but good upside .

So Denver, Toronto , Boston,  Phoenix, Philadelphia are possible landing points. 
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

GGGG

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on May 10, 2016, 05:31:40 PM
I think Henry and Bentil are  likely to go to a team that has multiple first round picks. The theory is they would pick someone that was more well rounded on the first pick and use the second or third first round pick on some one with some questions but good upside .

So Bentil would go second then.

Herman Cain

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 10, 2016, 06:00:44 PM
So Bentil would go second then.
I think the Lakers  second pick is protected if I understand correctly.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

MUMBA

from SI.com's story on eye-openers from day 1 of the combine...

Henry Ellenson

The Marquette big man measured in at 6' 11.5" in shoes with a 7' 2.25" wingspan. Why is this significant? Because Henry Ellenson is big enough to play center. We've known he's skilled offensively with a very good feel. Scouts continue to question his lateral quickness. So, if you believe he can legitimately line up with centers on defense while functioning as a stretch-big on the other end, Ellenson becomes a much safer investment. I'd be surprised if he slips very far in this draft.

4everwarriors

Will be da highest MU pick utter than Wade, ai na?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

wadesworld

Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 13, 2016, 09:33:58 AM
Will be da highest MU pick utter than Wade, ai na?

Could very well go just as high as D Wade went.

Then again, there are many Scoopers who expect him to be planted in the D League for much of the next 1-3 years so what do I know?

KampusFoods

Quote from: YoungsWorld on May 13, 2016, 09:37:02 AM

Then again, there are many Scoopers who expect him to be planted in the D League for much of the next 1-3 years so what do I know?

The horse. It's dead.


Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

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