What's Wrong With Apple (stock)?

[JWags85]

In fairness, but everyone hires tools to advance their own agenda.  Doesn't make Fox or CNN or anyone else any better or more objective than the other. 

People mostly listen to what they want to listen to.  Cable news is a big$$$ business, and they cater to the crowds that make them the most money.  All of them do.  If all the rednecks decided to start watching the Daily Show instead of their bi-hourly NASCAR/UFC update at 11:00p, Trevor Noah would turn into one of the brothers Tom faster than you could say Keenan Ivory Wayans.

Same with the "financial" networks.  CNBC and the rest are just as culpable.  They aren't there to make you money, they are there to make themselves money with viewers.  Reasonable sage investment advice and market talk doesn't bring in viewers, but hysteria around perceived bull and bear markets does. MARKETS IN TURMOIL

[Jockey]

In fairness, but everyone hires tools to advance their own agenda.  Doesn't make Fox or CNN or anyone else any better or more objective than the other. 

You and I have a long, rich history of trolling each other and your comments oft give me pause to think deeper on certain issues .... but in all seriousness, do you actually believe what you wrote?

[tower912]

Same with the "financial" networks.  CNBC and the rest are just as culpable.  They aren't there to make you money, they are there to make themselves money with viewers.  Reasonable sage investment advice and market talk doesn't bring in viewers, but hysteria around perceived bull and bear markets does. MARKETS IN TURMOIL

Wait.  I thought that was Heisy's schtick.

[Benny B]

You and I have a long, rich history of trolling each other and your comments oft give me pause to think deeper on certain issues .... but in all seriousness, do you actually believe what you wrote?

Ok grammar police, if you want to get technical, you're either objective or you're not.  "More" objective isn't proper... consider it a figure of speech.

[WarriorDad]

That's exactly the point. FoxNews hired self-identified "liberals" who were total tools in order to prop up the purported reasonableness of the crazy crap coming out of everyone else's mouths. Sure, Colmes seemed nice, but he was a complete stooge. A human straw man.

Thank god you've at least dropped the "not Chicos" thing. That was pretty weird. Step in the right direction, I guess.

Colmes was a stooge?  Not in my opinion.  My guess is you are a young guy, under the age of 30.  Your definition of liberal, of the party is different than mine.  The party has changed, as I have pointed out.  So has the other party.  The middle is gone now.  Take a look at who made up the parties in the 1970's when I joined, vs now.  Incredible differences.   That doesn't make Mr. Colmes a tool or a stooge.  He was a well respected man with strong convictions he just wasn't an ahole.  That is missed.  You don't fight fire with fire, you fight fire with water.  People could learn a thing or two from that.  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/goodbye-mr-colmes-im-really-really-going-to-miss_us_58b38820e4b0e5fdf6197450

I caught Dershowitz on there the other day and I don't watch that network very often. Dershowitz was always one of the premier legal minds of this country, and absolutely a liberal by any definition.  All these networks have agendas and they all hire token reps to push their points.  Sometimes, one or two of them get someone that is genuine and makes you think about the other side.  CNN had Robert Novak, who occasionally made me think twice.  All too rare these days as they program to the fringes.

[Jockey]

Ok grammar police, if you want to get technical, you're either objective or you're not.  "More" objective isn't proper... consider it a figure of speech.

I was referring to your assertion - not your grammar.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Colmes was a stooge?  Not in my opinion.  My guess is you are a young guy, under the age of 30.  Your definition of liberal, of the party is different than mine.  The party has changed, as I have pointed out.  So has the other party.  The middle is gone now.  Take a look at who made up the parties in the 1970's when I joined, vs now.  Incredible differences.   That doesn't make Mr. Colmes a tool or a stooge.  He was a well respected man with strong convictions he just wasn't an ahole.  That is missed.  You don't fight fire with fire, you fight fire with water.  People could learn a thing or two from that.  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/goodbye-mr-colmes-im-really-really-going-to-miss_us_58b38820e4b0e5fdf6197450

I caught Dershowitz on there the other day and I don't watch that network very often. Dershowitz was always one of the premier legal minds of this country, and absolutely a liberal by any definition.  All these networks have agendas and they all hire token reps to push their points.  Sometimes, one or two of them get someone that is genuine and makes you think about the other side.  CNN had Robert Novak, who occasionally made me think twice.  All too rare these days as they program to the fringes.

So Chicos.

[Benny B]

I was referring to your assertion - not your grammar.

Gotcha.

[Babybluejeans]

Colmes was a stooge?  Not in my opinion.  My guess is you are a young guy, under the age of 30.  Your definition of liberal, of the party is different than mine.  The party has changed, as I have pointed out.  So has the other party.  The middle is gone now.  Take a look at who made up the parties in the 1970's when I joined, vs now.  Incredible differences.   That doesn't make Mr. Colmes a tool or a stooge.  He was a well respected man with strong convictions he just wasn't an ahole.  That is missed.  You don't fight fire with fire, you fight fire with water.  People could learn a thing or two from that.  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/goodbye-mr-colmes-im-really-really-going-to-miss_us_58b38820e4b0e5fdf6197450

I caught Dershowitz on there the other day and I don't watch that network very often. Dershowitz was always one of the premier legal minds of this country, and absolutely a liberal by any definition.  All these networks have agendas and they all hire token reps to push their points.  Sometimes, one or two of them get someone that is genuine and makes you think about the other side.  CNN had Robert Novak, who occasionally made me think twice.  All too rare these days as they program to the fringes.

Lol.

[SoCalEagle]

AAPL hits another all time high today and nobody even mentions it?

Well, alright, then.

[MU82]

AAPL hits another all time high today and nobody even mentions it?

Well, alright, then.

I was playing golf today and wasn't watching the market. Besides ...

Yawn. What else is new?

[SoCalEagle]

MU82, that's probably the smartest thing you can do regarding the market - ignore it.  A while back I read an article that provided the results of a study about best/worst performing portfolios.  The upshot: The best performing brokerage accounts were those that traded the least.  In fact, the top performers were those who forgot they had the account, or accounts for individuals who had died!!! 

[MU82]

MU82, that's probably the smartest thing you can do regarding the market - ignore it.  A while back I read an article that provided the results of a study about best/worst performing portfolios.  The upshot: The best performing brokerage accounts were those that traded the least.  In fact, the top performers were those who forgot they had the account, or accounts for individuals who had died!!!

Agreed, SoCal. I have seen similar studies.

I am largely a buy-and-hold guy.

Most of the biggest mistakes I have made as an investor have come on the selling side -- I sold a company thinking it was overvalued, or I could do better with a different company, etc, only to see it move up smartly in price over the ensuing years.

As a result, now that I am more experienced and thorough, I am a very reluctant seller.

[SoCalEagle]

"I could improve your ultimate financial welfare by giving you a ticket with only twenty slots in it so that you had twenty punches – representing all the investments that you could make in a lifetime.  And once you'd punched through the card, you couldn't make any more investments at all.  Under those rules, you'd really think carefully about what you did and you'd be forced to load up on what you'd really thought about."

Warren Buffet - Apple Investor.

[NorthernDancerColt]

I agree that Apple, etc, might make Jones a martyr. Otherwise, I don't agree with much of what  chicos2 says.

Those platforms refusing to air Jones' crapola is no different than CBS refusing to air hard-core pornography, Fox News refusing to have a left-wing host, MSNBC refusing to have a right-wing host, etc.

Nobody is stopping Alex Jones from spewing his hate, racism and conspiracy theories. He just has to find outlets that will accept them. Maybe Hannity needs a co-host.

Oh, and most of the same people who are outraged that Jones is being "denied his freedom of speech" believe the NFL not only has the right to blackball Kaepernick but has a duty to do so.

Alex Jones is controlled opposition. Time Warner (and Bilderberger Ted Turner) signs his checks. The comedian Bill Hicks faked his death in the late 90s, and was reborn as "Alex Jones." The guy is a caricature of a caricature. It is all part of the "divide and conquer" m.o. (Info WARS?!) created by elites. We are all being played daily.  As any good Free Mason knows............the world is but a stage.

The tipping point has been reached, so the plug is being pulled on the controlled opposition.
Call me jaded, but Fox News is CNN is BBC is Info Wars.

[MU82]

Alex Jones is controlled opposition. Time Warner (and Bilderberger Ted Turner) signs his checks.

I didn't believe this, so I googled it. All I could find were several shady, unsubstantiated claims that Time Warner has anything to do with Alex Jones or his whack-a-doodle site. I also found a 2017 tweet in which Jones rails about Time Warner owning CNN, Huff Post and all the other companies that criticize him -- in other words, the exact opposite of the Time Warner/Infowars linkage.

At the very best, Alex Jones is a con man who preys on the insecurities of easily manipulated sheep; his site mainly exists not to peddle conspiracy theories but to peddle Apocalypse-related products to help "real Americans" survive the conspiracies.

At the very worst, he is a cancer -- and, by extension, because one of his bigliest fans has promised loyalty to him, our democratic republic.

[Jay Bee]

SONO up to 20.80 this morning. Last week I said I'd dump it (again) at $24... it makes me nervous and I hope it gets there quickly... been fun so far

[SoCalEagle]

AAPL just soared past 225 this week.  Most impressive part is that P/E is still only 20.  Much different than other high flyers it is often compared to.  This one just keeps giving goodness to its shareholders. 

[MU82]

AAPL just soared past 225 this week.  Most impressive part is that P/E is still only 20.  Much different than other high flyers it is often compared to.  This one just keeps giving goodness to its shareholders.

You're right, SCE. One could argue that AAPL is still fairly reasonably valued.

I'm not buying more now, but I'm in no hurry to sell what I have.

[tower912]

With Musk stepping down as Tesla chairman, I wonder (A) how long Tesla can survive bleeding money and/or (B) how long until Apple buys them?  Yes, he is staying around, but there is going to have to be fallout from the fine.     Musk is a visionary, but mass production is tougher than he thought.  Apple is sitting on a ridiculous pile of cash and has basically stopped their car development.      Leverage the synergy and all of that bullsh!t.

[MU82]

Rough week for Mr. Market.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Rough week for Mr. Market.

Market crash and October go together.  Profit taking ahead of tax season.  A slow climb back once the bleeding stops. 

[MU82]

Market crash and October go together.  Profit taking ahead of tax season.  A slow climb back once the bleeding stops.

Looks like bleeding will stop today.

Seriously, nobody knows. Part of the fun!

[Jay Bee]

Is the idea of some ST t-bills really that crazy even if you're not an elderly retired person?

[Benny B]

Is the idea of some ST t-bills really that crazy even if you're not an elderly retired person?

Yes.  Unless you're going for maximum diversification. In which case, your portfolio should be allocated in t-bills at about the same clip as your allocation in Norwegian salmon fisheries.