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Who will be our best player next year?
« on: April 23, 2016, 02:16:31 PM »
I would guess Luke but I could make a case for JJJ, Hannif (if he makes the Soph jump), Duane with a breakout, and maybe a newcomer like Katin or Rowsy.

I cannot remember a year this question was so open.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2016, 02:41:05 PM »
Somebody needs to emerge as a leader.   Henry was clearly the best player and too often the rest of the team deferred to him when he had the ball.    This year, there needs to be more ball movement, more driving and dishing, etc.     IMO, one of these 3:  Luke, JJ, Haanif. 
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2016, 02:48:18 PM »
JJJ.  Senior, guard, best player after Henry the last couple months of the year.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2016, 02:49:27 PM »
I get the feeling that Haanif will emerge as the leader. I'm only speculating, but I think Wojo wants him to be.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2016, 03:03:41 PM »
Luke isn't gonna be the best player. Unless he learns how to not foul and rebound.

JJJ or Haanif probably. Maybe Katin.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2016, 03:30:52 PM »
I get the feeling that Haanif will emerge as the leader. I'm only speculating, but I think Wojo wants him to be.

This. 

Luke is still a bit of a teenager.  Likes to be a clown.  Until Luke toughens up and start banging, his teammates won't respect him as a leader.  If he hits the weights, and starts to move people out of the way, that will be the proverbial corner turned. 

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2016, 03:35:58 PM »
I think we will see different roles develop:

JJJ- Go to player
Luke- Elder Statesmen
Rowsey/Carter- Chip on the shoulder/most edge
Duane- Mr. Clutch

I don't know enough about Katin's personality to know what role he will play, but I think he will have more of a leadership role than people think.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2016, 04:02:26 PM »
JJJ may be the best difference player next year.  I love his game.  He showed George Thompson moves at times.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 04:19:17 PM »
I think JJ will be our best player, I hope a healthier Duane will be our leader.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 05:21:35 PM »
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2016, 05:35:09 PM »

  My definition is most important to the team, the one I want on the floor most of the time.

      A)   I look for Katin (Experience) and Carter (toughness).  Traci must improve his decision    making and Katin must be accepted by the team.

      B)   Almost there:  Haanif and Rowsy

      C)   Not there:   Luke, JJ, Duane.


  At this early date, these are my choices.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2016, 05:54:40 PM »
Haanif is now a year older.

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2016, 05:56:30 PM »
  My definition is most important to the team, the one I want on the floor most of the time.

      A)   I look for Katin (Experience) and Carter (toughness).  Traci must improve his decision    making and Katin must be accepted by the team.

      B)   Almost there:  Haanif and Rowsy

      C)   Not there:   Luke, JJ, Duane.


  At this early date, these are my choices.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2016, 06:07:28 PM »
I pick JJJ - MU's second best player last season

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2016, 06:08:01 PM »
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2016, 06:20:13 PM »
  My definition is most important to the team, the one I want on the floor most of the time.

      A)   I look for Katin (Experience) and Carter (toughness).  Traci must improve his decision    making and Katin must be accepted by the team.

      B)   Almost there:  Haanif and Rowsy

      C)   Not there:   Luke, JJ, Duane.


  At this early date, these are my choices.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2016, 06:39:51 PM »
  My definition is most important to the team, the one I want on the floor most of the time.

      A)   I look for Katin (Experience) and Carter (toughness).  Traci must improve his decision    making and Katin must be accepted by the team.

      B)   Almost there:  Haanif and Rowsy

      C)   Not there:   Luke, JJ, Duane.


  At this early date, these are my choices.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2016, 06:52:36 PM »
Agree.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2016, 10:39:10 PM »


  "Time is the overseer of all things"   Let's see how this plays out during the season   We have had at least 2 years to watch Luke, JJ and Duane.  If you liked what you seen....Go for it.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2016, 10:50:16 PM »

  "Time is the overseer of all things"   Let's see how this plays out during the season   We have had at least 2 years to watch Luke, JJ and Duane.  If you liked what you seen....Go for it.

We haven't had "at least 2 years to watch Luke" here.

Traci is your guy... you see and appreciate a perceived "toughness." I saw a 41.4% eFG and 29% turnover rate.

What do you believe those to figures will be in 2016-17 for Traci? Or does it not matter as long as the "toughness" is back?
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2016, 12:47:07 AM »
We haven't had "at least 2 years to watch Luke" here.

Traci is your guy... you see and appreciate a perceived "toughness." I saw a 41.4% eFG and 29% turnover rate.

What do you believe those to figures will be in 2016-17 for Traci? Or does it not matter as long as the "toughness" is back?


1) Well you are correct on Luke not a full 2  yrs:
      A) 14-15........24 games played of 32  (75%)   8 Injured
 
      B)  15-16........33 of 33  (100%)

      C)   57 of 65...... 88%

 OK you Win not 100%


  2)  Traci as I mentioned  before,  I think his decision making improves which will  reduce Turnovers and his offensive numbers increase.  I don't know what these actual numbers will be, but you seem to have a handle on Stats.......maybe you would like to project what those numbers will be.  Also do you have a opinion of his "Toughness" or maybe there is a stat for that.

   3)  As to your last question, do you really need an answer.  Just silliness.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2016, 06:50:08 AM »
HC or Tre-J...Guessing HC but would be very happy if JJJ were da man

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2016, 08:54:36 AM »
"Toughness" is one of those things people throw around when they like a guy even though his stats indicate otherwise.  I think Carter will improve, but to say he will be a leader because of his "toughness" doesn't make a lot of sense.  I mean, how is he "tougher" than Duane?

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2016, 11:06:52 AM »
I look at it this way.

Best Overall Talent- JJJ, Best Distributor of the ball, great slasher and in transition, strong at  free throws  and can create fast breaks with his steals on defense. Also does a lot of unnoticed things like boxing out on rebounds.

Most Valuable Player- Luke, if he stays out of foul trouble . Should be consistent Double Double guy. Also has great on court chemistry with JJJ , who looks to feed him consistently.

Highest Scorer - Haanif, can score 17-18 a game , I expect him to force it less this year and score more as a result.

Most Clutch Player - Duane. If healthy he could have a monster year.



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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2016, 11:17:16 AM »
"Toughness" is one of those things people throw around when they like a guy even though his stats indicate otherwise.
 


  You may want to reword this.  It sound's like you are saying his stats Indicates he is not Tough.



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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2016, 11:26:21 AM »
Best player: Jajuan, closely followed by Cheatham, who will become the best player his junior and senior years

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2016, 11:38:47 AM »
I agree JjJ will have the most SOTGs next year, followed by Haanie.  But I also believe Big Fishy comes to play next year since he's got a lot to prove to scouts that he can play on the next level.  My hunch is he's a beast next year.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2016, 11:42:37 AM »
I really like JJJ at the end of the year but I'm hesitant to hop on the "best player" train yet.

Interestingly though I always thought of him as a huge disappointed but going through his game log he hasn't been completely terribly just inconsistent.

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2016, 11:57:50 AM »
 


  You may want to reword this.  It sound's like you are saying his stats Indicates he is not Tough.

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2016, 12:27:24 PM »
In all seriousness, Markus could have an enormous impact. His profile doesn't suggest there's a strong likelihood of him having a "normal freshman" year. He's legit.

I don't mean this in the wrong way, but when you look at Henry's usage of 26%.. Markus can be there. When you look at Henry's ORtg of 103, Markus has the *ability* to obliterate it. Such an important addition to the program.

More than anything from returns like JjJ, Duane, Haanif, etc.. I want to see consistency. High-level, strong play, yes. But consistency. JjJ displayed it late in the year. Need to see it from the others (and him again).

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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2016, 12:30:39 PM »
Cheatham will have a breakout year.


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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2016, 12:33:52 PM »
In all seriousness, Markus could have an enormous impact. His profile doesn't suggest there's a strong likelihood of him having a "normal freshman" year. He's legit.

I don't mean this in the wrong way, but when you look at Henry's usage of 26%.. Markus can be there. When you look at Henry's ORtg of 103, Markus has the *ability* to obliterate it. Such an important addition to the program.

More than anything from returns like JjJ, Duane, Haanif, etc.. I want to see consistency. High-level, strong play, yes. But consistency. JjJ displayed it late in the year. Need to see it from the others (and him again).

But, Markus.. wooooweeeee...

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2016, 12:50:39 PM »
Howard has the ability of making players around him better.  Overall Marquette will have a better passing team in the coming season.  Because of that JJJ and Cheatham should see their numbers go up significantly.  The added firepower from outside will improve spacing for drives. 

Last season the team was an experienced point guard/high percentage shooter away from the NCAA Tournament.  In 2016-17, they are a power forward/rebounding away from the tournament.

The "most important player" next season will be the next athlete to sign an LOI.

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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2016, 01:17:36 PM »
Howard has the ability of making players around him better.  Overall Marquette will have a better passing team in the coming season.  Because of that JJJ and Cheatham should see their numbers go up significantly.  The added firepower from outside will improve spacing for drives. 

Last season the team was an experienced point guard/high percentage shooter away from the NCAA Tournament.  In 2016-17, they are a power forward/rebounding away from the tournament.

The "most important player" next season will be the next athlete to sign an LOI.
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2016, 01:44:12 PM »
Howard has the ability of making players around him better.  Overall Marquette will have a better passing team in the coming season.  Because of that JJJ and Cheatham should see their numbers go up significantly.  The added firepower from outside will improve spacing for drives. 

What does a "better passing team" mean from a statistical perspective? Just thinking about this.. not saying you're right or wrong...

...but, I HOPE we are a better ball handling team, meaning far fewer turnovers.

With regard to assists... our assists-to-field goals made were off the charts last year... (e.g., top 30 in the nation)... but that doesn't correlate to a great offense. Assists to FG's is incredibly underrated. More about style than anything else.

Howard is a guy that can dish, but he is a #1 a scorer. If you look at last season... a lot of guys scored often off the assist, but a lot was on 2FGM not at the rim... I think that figure declines this coming year.

OTHER 2FGM's.. that is, those not at the rim.. we were at 55%!! Compare that to, say, Nova.. 26%.

73% of Henry's 2-point jumpers were off the assist. A lot of that could* be replaced by Markus creating.

I have no point other than assists-to-FGM isn't a "stat" I love because it's more about style and not efficiency. Just thinking about how the team could look next year... several ways it could go.

But again.. back to Markus and another reason why I love him on this team...*if* we can space the floor more with shooters, it opens things up for him to operate.

Also Rowsey.. it'll be interesting to see how often he attacks... because he was successful at drawing fouls with UNC-Asheville... if that can somehow translate in BEast play, look out. But could see him having a couple of amazing performances in the nonconf, then struggling...

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2016, 01:50:43 PM »
We're gonna have some strong wing players next year in JJJ, Haanif and Katin.

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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2016, 02:24:15 PM »
Sounds like Marcus could be the next Dean the Dream! 

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« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2016, 02:30:17 PM »
In all seriousness, Markus could have an enormous impact. His profile doesn't suggest there's a strong likelihood of him having a "normal freshman" year. He's legit.

I don't mean this in the wrong way, but when you look at Henry's usage of 26%.. Markus can be there. When you look at Henry's ORtg of 103, Markus has the *ability* to obliterate it. Such an important addition to the program.

More than anything from returns like JjJ, Duane, Haanif, etc.. I want to see consistency. High-level, strong play, yes. But consistency. JjJ displayed it late in the year. Need to see it from the others (and him again).

But, Markus.. wooooweeeee...

This is huge.  With the talent we are returning, we are poised for a great season.  Need to reduce the turnovers though.  Those absolutely killed us.  Recall the X game when we were right in it, then lost our minds with turnovers.  Uggh.

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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2016, 02:43:43 PM »
In all seriousness, Markus could have an enormous impact. His profile doesn't suggest there's a strong likelihood of him having a "normal freshman" year. He's legit.

I don't mean this in the wrong way, but when you look at Henry's usage of 26%.. Markus can be there. When you look at Henry's ORtg of 103, Markus has the *ability* to obliterate it. Such an important addition to the program.

More than anything from returns like JjJ, Duane, Haanif, etc.. I want to see consistency. High-level, strong play, yes. But consistency. JjJ displayed it late in the year. Need to see it from the others (and him again).

But, Markus.. wooooweeeee...

I like his game too and think he adds a much-needed dynamic, but he's under 6' and will be a very young freshman (wonn't even turn 18 until the Big East tournament next year). Might need some time to adjust physically, and I'm more than willing to give him that rope. If he's anything more than a very nice shooter/creator off the bench next year (akin to Diener's frosh year) I'll be thrilled.

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« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2017, 03:37:45 PM »
In all seriousness, Markus could have an enormous impact. His profile doesn't suggest there's a strong likelihood of him having a "normal freshman" year. He's legit.

I don't mean this in the wrong way, but when you look at Henry's usage of 26%.. Markus can be there. When you look at Henry's ORtg of 103, Markus has the *ability* to obliterate it. Such an important addition to the program.

More than anything from returns like JjJ, Duane, Haanif, etc.. I want to see consistency. High-level, strong play, yes. But consistency. JjJ displayed it late in the year. Need to see it from the others (and him again).

But, Markus.. wooooweeeee...

...and here we are... Markus has a usage of 25.4% and ORtg of 119.6. Legit.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2017, 05:14:21 PM »
Got to hand it to you Jay Bee.  You will guilty of under hyping him  ;D

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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2017, 05:44:54 PM »
Yogi Berra should have said, and maybe actually did say:

"Predictions are hard, especially about the future".

This thread shows that Yogi-ism to be very true.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2017, 05:49:57 PM »
Damn, I was racking my brain to figure out what I thought might be the best answer, and saw the posts and realized the time frame.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2017, 05:52:37 PM »
Kudos JB.

Not sure who I'd call our best player overall - still some big games left - but I never expected Marcus to be in the mix this season.  He most certainly is.

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« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2017, 06:01:01 PM »
Markus is our best player.  Highest usage...highest eFG%...highest assist rate...second in efficiency.  The only thing that makes it doubtful is turnovers.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2017, 06:10:16 PM »
There's been games where he hasn't been as effective, but that's the case for everyone. He's certainly been our most impressive player, if not always the best. And while you can parse a few names, it was a great take by Jay Bee.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2017, 06:12:58 PM »
Correct.  It isn't a runaway and what's great is that if he was having a poor one, someone else would step up.  But all and all, I think he was the "best."

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2017, 06:48:42 PM »
Well if this year is prelude to next we can expect:

1. Markus and Sam to regress
2. Cain and Theo to be our best players with Ike coming off the bench
3. Sacar have a Heldt of a year
4. Harry be foul prone and Rowsey lose his shot
5. Hannif transfer at Christmas and Du W opting to play in Europe
6. Our unfilled schollies to provide senior leadership


...and we will make the sweet 16.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2017, 07:00:07 PM »
...and here we are... Markus has a usage of 25.4% and ORtg of 119.6. Legit.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2017, 08:59:18 PM »
Sounds like Marcus could be the next Dean the Dream!

He shoots better than the Dream

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2017, 09:05:12 PM »
JB shoots from 3....and scores!

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2017, 09:44:47 PM »
Kudos JB.

Not sure who I'd call our best player overall - still some big games left - but I never expected Marcus to be in the mix this season.  He most certainly is.

Howard
Rowsey
Reinhardt

The three that always seem to make the plays that keep us in a game, throw a dagger on the other team, or swing momentum to us.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2017, 10:06:37 PM »
I'd include Hauser in that. If he has an open look in a big moment, I expect it's going in.
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2017, 10:14:24 PM »
Credit to JB.  I had not weighed in on this last year, and I would have been very wrong--would have said HC. 

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2017, 10:29:23 PM »
Howard
Rowsey
Reinhardt

The three that always seem to make the plays that keep us in a game, throw a dagger on the other team, or swing momentum to us.
True and KR is always playing with fire power

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2017, 10:30:59 PM »
I'd include Hauser in that. If he has an open look in a big moment, I expect it's going in.

I thought about it. But naming 4 players seemed like a cop out

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2017, 10:49:32 PM »
He shoots better than the Dream

There are six players on this team who shoot better than Deano, whose strength was posting up and simply jumping over the player guarding him.

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2017, 11:56:10 PM »
There are six players on this team who shoot better than Deano, whose strength was posting up and simply jumping over the player guarding him.

The Dream's game was based on quickness.


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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2023, 03:43:07 PM »
In all seriousness, Markus could have an enormous impact. His profile doesn't suggest there's a strong likelihood of him having a "normal freshman" year. He's legit.

I don't mean this in the wrong way, but when you look at Henry's usage of 26%.. Markus can be there. When you look at Henry's ORtg of 103, Markus has the *ability* to obliterate it. Such an important addition to the program.

More than anything from returns like JjJ, Duane, Haanif, etc.. I want to see consistency. High-level, strong play, yes. But consistency. JjJ displayed it late in the year. Need to see it from the others (and him again).

But, Markus.. wooooweeeee...

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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
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Re: Who will be our best player next year?
« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2023, 06:16:24 PM »
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