How Bad Is This For Georgetown?

[GGGG]

From the article

He said the specifics of the foundation's goals should come in partnership with the university and the Jesuits. Another lead organizer, Richard Cellini, said they hope the $1 billion that it their goal would be raised from 10 to 15 institutions that benefited from long ties to slavery, and that ideally the money would be jointly managed and directed by Georgetown, the Jesuits and descendants.

It's a shakedown operation with Georgetown's endowment as the primary target.

Uh...but how are they going to accomplish it?  Just because they want Georgetown to participate, doesn't mean they can or will.

[Tugg Speedman]

Like all this left-wing PC crap gets started ... Student protests, left-wing professor boycotts. 

Administrators cower in fear and constantly cave to the demands of these groups. 

Give it time, it will happen.

[jsglow]

To answer your question Sultan, yes I read the article.

[Pakuni]

But how do we determine how much 'I' damaged the environment last week and who exactly do I pay?  Similarly, is 'my' application to GTown denied because a less qualified 10th generation decedent of slaves is reserved an automatic space?  Or is my tuition to said institution bumped up $5,000 so I can pay for the sins of 200 years ago?  Were they my sins?  Best I can figure it my grandfather had a grade school education and worked at Milwaukee Drop Forge.  And I know he didn't own any slaves.     

1. Nothing entitles you entry to Georgetown other than the whims of the university's admissions department. And if Georgetown wishes to charge an extra $5,000 for tuition to pay for the sins of 200 years ago, you're free to either pay it or choose another institution.

2. I'm quite certain that you're not utterly blind to how you and your ancestors (including ol' pop pop) benefited from slave labor and oppression of black people, even without having owned slaves.

[GGGG]

Like all this left-wing PC crap gets started ... Student protests, left-wing professor boycotts. 

Administrators cower in fear and constantly cave to the demands of these groups. 

Give it time, it will happen.

Well that's their issue then.

[#UnleashSean]

2. I'm quite certain that you're not utterly blind to how you and your ancestors (including ol' pop pop) benefited from slave labor and oppression of black people, even without having owned slaves.

I wasn't alive 200 years ago to make that decision. I'm not going to pay amends to people who also were not alive then.

[GGGG]

I wasn't alive 200 years ago to make that decision. I'm not going to pay amends to people who also were not alive then.

I agree with you. I don't think reparations are the answer nor would they be appropriate.

But comparing the situation that descendants of slaves have faced with the situation that descendants of a poor white laborer from Milwaukee has faced is indicative of the problem. The fact is that society's institutions made it easier for Glow's family to work themselves to where they are now compared to the descendants of a slave.

Acknowledging that as a society would be important.

[Pakuni]

I wasn't alive 200 years ago to make that decision. I'm not going to pay amends to people who also were not alive then.

Georgetown, as a private institution, voluntarily offering preferential admission to the descendants of slaves isn't exactly the same as you paying amends, is it?
Individual reparations to descendants of slaves is a terrible solution, MO, but recognizing that this hasn't been an equal "land of opportunity" for all and taking reasonable steps to help people out of a hole that was dug for them doesn't seem such a terrible thing.
And if that means a handful of upper middle class white kids from the suburbs end up at GW instead of Georgetown, I can live with that.

p.s. Institutional racism in this country isn't just a "200 years ago" thing.

[Golden Avalanche]

Georgetown, as a private institution, voluntarily offering preferential admission to the descendants of slaves isn't exactly the same as you paying amends, is it?
Individual reparations to descendants of slaves is a terrible solution, MO, but recognizing that this hasn't been an equal "land of opportunity" for all and taking reasonable steps to help people out of a hole that was dug for them doesn't seem such a terrible thing.
And if that means a handful of upper middle class white kids from the suburbs end up at GW instead of Georgetown, I can live with that.

p.s. Institutional racism in this country isn't just a "200 years ago" thing.

"Gif of some celebrity clapping whilst smiling"

[reinko]

Private institution makes a choice based on what they feel is best for them.   Those folks disagreeing with it,  have weirdly long track records of rallying for those in favoring of private institutions doing what they think is best.

For the record this has nothing to do with Federal aid,  Pell grants,  or federal student loans.   This is simply a private institution doing what they feel is right,  but hey,  weird,  some dude who read zerohedge and breitbart is shockingly opposed to it.

[TilTuesday]

Georgetown may do as they wish.  However, are they planning on offering free admission to the descendants of Union soldiers who fought and\or died to free the slaves?  Those that put their lives on the line?

[reinko]

Georgetown may do as they wish.  However, are they planning on offering free admission to the descendants of Union soldiers who fought and\or died to free the slaves?  Those that put their lives on the line?

Jams, how's the family?  Idaho bound yet?

[rocket surgeon]

Georgetown may do as they wish.  However, are they planning on offering free admission to the descendants of Union soldiers who fought and\or died to free the slaves?  Those that put their lives on the line?

One of the best quotes of the year... bully bully(not to be confused with wooly bully though hey

[GGGG]

One of the best quotes of the year... bully bully(not to be confused with wooly bully though hey

[rocket surgeon]

Why?  It completely misses the entire point of what Georgetown is doing and why.

How does it miss the point?  If not for the Union soldiers, the slaves would have been enslaved for even longer.  so, I would think the descendants of the slaves would/should be forever grateful for the selflessness of the soldiers heirs and share their good fortunes

[tower912]

Georgetown may do as they wish.  However, are they planning on offering free admission to the descendants of Union soldiers who fought and\or died to free the slaves?  Those that put their lives on the line?

TilTuesday?    Hush, hush. 

[StillAWarrior]

All I've heard that Georgetown is officially doing is offering preferential admission to the descendants -- just treating them as legacies.  Has it been announced yet that they're actually doing anything else?  Sure, they might respond to the request for foundation (and potential pressure to do so), but I haven't heard yet that they will.  I think they are being pretty deliberate in this, and that if they were inclined to offer financial assistance that would have been part of the announcement they made a week or two ago.

[GGGG]

How does it miss the point?  If not for the Union soldiers, the slaves would have been enslaved for even longer.  so, I would think the descendants of the slaves would/should be forever grateful for the selflessness of the soldiers heirs and share their good fortunes

SO...WHAT....

It is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

[Golden Avalanche]

How does it miss the point?  If not for the Union soldiers, the slaves would have been enslaved for even longer.  so, I would think the descendants of the slaves would/should be forever grateful for the selflessness of the soldiers heirs and share their good fortunes

Just for one day, I'd like to travel in your orbit to see how life is not knowing a damn thing outside of the sand surrounding one's ears.

[TilTuesday]

TilTuesday?    Hush, hush.

Voices Carry

[naginiF]

Voices Carry

I'm pretty sure Aimee Mann would fist fight you over your 'descendants of union soldiers' stance though.

[rocket surgeon]

Just for one day, I'd like to travel in your orbit to see how life is not knowing a damn thing outside of the sand surrounding one's ears.

good one-feel better now? lashing out at those who don't always espouse your view of the world ain't  a good sign of a very stable individual.  try exercising some self-control sometime; your therapist would be impressed 

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Just for one day, I'd like to travel in your orbit to see how life is not knowing a damn thing outside of the sand surrounding one's ears.

    Altogether a  more pleasant view than the colonscape you inhabit

   anyone can play the name game but it doesn't advance anyone's ideas.

[Pakuni]

[Golden Avalanche]

good one-feel better now? lashing out at those who don't always espouse your view of the world ain't  a good sign of a very stable individual.  try exercising some self-control sometime; your therapist would be impressed 

When it comes to you, I never feel better. You insert irrelevant and ignorant viewpoints in every discussion to give voice to your aggrieved status at the top of the pyramid.