Culture of Transfers?

[MUFlutieEffect]

Buzz just lost his second guy in as many days - Jalen Hudson and Satchel Pierce.  As has been discussed ad nauseam here, transfers are hardly uncommon in modern NCAA Basketball.  Nonetheless, it definitely seems that Buzz has more than his fair share.

Why is it that some programs (and/or some coaches) face so many more transfers than others?  Is it realistic to say that some coaches are that much harder on their players?  Do some coaches over-sell what they have to offer? Other thoughts...?

[GGGG]

Ah Satchel Pierce...

[Herman Cain]

Satchel Paige Pierce was a project Buzz gave a chance to. He did not work out. I hope he finds a home in a lesser conference and does well.

[Nukem2]

Satch hardly played this season.  Looked decent as a frosh the year before.  Wonder what happened?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Satch hardly played this season.  Looked decent as a frosh the year before.  Wonder what happened?

VT got better. He didn't

[keefe]

Satchel Pierce was never a part of the Marquette program. He was part of Team Bert. Obviously, his faith was misplaced.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Buzz just lost his second guy in as many days - Jalen Hudson and Satchel Pierce.  As has been discussed ad nauseam here, transfers are hardly uncommon in modern NCAA Basketball.  Nonetheless, it definitely seems that Buzz has more than his fair share.

Why is it that some programs (and/or some coaches) face so many more transfers than others?  Is it realistic to say that some coaches are that much harder on their players?  Do some coaches over-sell what they have to offer? Other thoughts...?

Bi-polar, ai-na?

[tower912]

Buzz doesn't seem to keep his fringe players around.  But not many of those who left under Buzz did much elsewhere.   Pierce did next to nothing this past season.  He was a project all along.   If he does not see increased PT in his future, why not go somewhere he can play.   Next, Buzz is always recruiting and doesn't fear a transfer.   Finally, IIRC, somewhere around 40% of D1 basketball players transfer.  (or is it do not play 4 years at their original school?)

[Galway Eagle]

Mbao 2.0

[rocket surgeon]

Satch hardly played this season.  Looked decent as a frosh the year before.  Wonder what happened?

yeah, i thought he looked pretty good-surprised he dropped off buzz' radar-he looked to have size and some talent-anyone know what happened?  VT does seem to be moving forward however according to some pre-season prognostications

[lurch91]

  VT does seem to be moving forward however according to some pre-season prognostications

Everyone knows you need a football program in order for your basketball program to succeed......

[MerrittsMustache]

Buzz takes chances on projects and late bloomers (usually bigs) in hopes that they'll develop and/or raise their level of play to at least be rotation players. Sometimes it works out well for both parties (Otule, Gardner) and sometimes it doesn't (Mbao, Pierce).

For better or worse, that's his recruiting style.

[Dawson Rental]

Anyone care to discuss Kostas in light of the Satchel Pierce transfer?

I think that Wojo puts a premium on roster stability and for that reason, he's far less likely to take a flyer on a project.

[tower912]

Take a flier like Kostas when you have a roster with balance, both by position and by year.   When you have that, a kid like Kostas is the one you WANT to take a flier on.   Possible extreme upside, not needed to contribute for 2-3 years.  But everyone involved has to understand that going in. 

[jsglow]

Take a flier like Kostas when you have a roster with balance, both by position and by year.   When you have that, a kid like Kostas is the one you WANT to take a flier on.   Possible extreme upside, not needed to contribute for 2-3 years.  But everyone involved has to understand that going in.

I think that's a great point.  Wojo must get production out of this scholly immediately. Doesn't necessarily have to start but must produce in a meaningful way.

[MerrittsMustache]

I think that's a great point.  Wojo must get production out of this scholly immediately. Doesn't necessarily have to start but must produce in a meaningful way.

Like Heldt and Anim this season?

If Wojo wants an immediate contributor, he'll go for a grad transfer big man. However, he's building for the long-term. What will he decide makes the most sense: a 1-year postplayer to contribute immediately or a 4-year postplayer who won't be ready to contribute right away?

After Luke graduates, it's Heldt and no other front court players.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Like Heldt and Anim this season?

If Wojo wants an immediate contributor, he'll go for a grad transfer big man. However, he's building for the long-term. What will he decide makes the most sense: a 1-year postplayer to contribute immediately or a 4-year postplayer who won't be ready to contribute right away?

After Luke graduates, it's Heldt and no other front court players.

This is a good point. You got to look ahead at recruiting. You don't want to put yourself in a position where you need to find a grad transfer every year to fill a hole. That works for a while but eventually you'll miss and fall hard.

[Loose Cannon]

After Luke graduates, it's Heldt and no other front court players.

  As of today that is True.

[Lennys Tap]

If Wojo wants an immediate contributor, he'll go for a grad transfer big man. However, he's building for the long-term. What will he decide makes the most sense: a 1-year postplayer to contribute immediately or a 4-year postplayer who won't be ready to contribute right away?

I don't mean to single you out, Stache, because this "building for the long-term" fiction is a recurring theme from more posters than I can count on Scoop.

Wojo's best player in his first year was a one year graduate student. His best player in year two was a one and done freshman and he went hard (albeit unsuccessfully) after several one year grad transfers and two year jucos. This year we're in the grad transfer game again. His objective is win now. If he can't get the players to win now he reverts to plan B, which is to win later.

[bilsu]

One year transfers make sense when the transfer is the missing link for a very good team. Trent Locket filled that bill. Carlino was a better player than Locket, but the team still sucked with him, so signing a four year player may of made more sense. Getting a transfer last year could of made that team very good. Unless the transfer is a physical rebounder/defender it does not make much sense to take a one year transfer this year.

[rocky_warrior]

Like Heldt and Anim this season?

A minor point - Heldt was getting decent backup minutes (~5mpg) when Luke came out of the game -- before he got hurt. 

[MerrittsMustache]

A minor point - Heldt was getting decent backup minutes (~5mpg) when Luke came out of the game -- before he got hurt.

And you'd consider that to be "producing in a meaningful way?" (jsglow's statement)

[rocky_warrior]

And you'd consider that to be "producing in a meaningful way?" (jsglow's statement)

More meaningful than Anim.

[jsglow]

I'd say Wojo needs more than Heldt and Anim production out of this scholly.  How much more is an open question.  I'll answer it this way. Hopefully he finds TC Frosh PG level production.

[Small Orange Soda]

I don't mean to single you out, Stache, because this "building for the long-term" fiction is a recurring theme from more posters than I can count on Scoop.

Wojo's best player in his first year was a one year graduate student. His best player in year two was a one and done freshman and he went hard (albeit unsuccessfully) after several one year grad transfers and two year jucos. This year we're in the grad transfer game again. His objective is win now. If he can't get the players to win now he reverts to plan B, which is to win later.

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