[Matt Velazquez] Henry Ellenson officially declares for the NBA draft and will sign agent

[jsglow]

Ridiculously dumb hot take on Henry, courtesy of the Marquette Tribune.

http://marquettewire.org/3947508/sports/fiorentino-beware-the-one-and-done/

Pretty thin. Nothing HE did diminished the other guys and MU isn't becoming Kentucky.  HE was a special circumstance. Of course you love to get him.

[The Lens]

If we don't swing and miss on Damion Lee / Shonn Miller, we're dancing.  You take as much talent as you can get.  You never turn down talent.

[GGGG]

I keep reading posters saying that the logic expounded here is stupid, but not why it is stupid.  I'm not convinced that the logic is correct, but not sure why it is wrong, either.  We won more games this year than we would have without Henry this year, but not enough, and we're revamping everything again next year.  I certainly enjoyed watching him play, but I'm not sure his presence at MU was a net positive or a net negative.

Because not recruiting the best talent doesn't make sense. So instead of Henry the article asserts some other player would have been here and ready to contribute.

But who is this person?  As glow said, we had openings. Where did this person go?  What impact is he having elsewhere?

Too many assumptions. Just recruit the best talent that fits your program. Let the rest sort itself out later.

[MerrittsMustache]

Because not recruiting the best talent doesn't make sense. So instead of Henry the article asserts some other player would have been here and ready to contribute.

But who is this person?  As glow said, we had openings. Where did this person go?  What impact is he having elsewhere?

Too many assumptions. Just recruit the best talent that fits your program. Let the rest sort itself out later.

Exactly.

According to the recruiting boards, the only other bigs on MU's radar were massive center Tyler Jackson (redshirted at UC-Santa Barbara) and Racine's Travon Bunch (didn't qualify).

It's possible they knew HE was coming and didn't put much emphasis on front court players, but it's not like 4-year studs were lining up and MU passed on them.

[GGGG]

Furthermore the article makes the assertion that since the final four teams were senior laden saying that's the way to go.

But Duke had two one and dones last year and won the title. Kentucky made two final fours I. The last three years.

And I don't see Marquette having that "culture" at all.

[DaCoach]

Serious question for you here.  How many players were on scholarship on our roster to begin the 2015-2016 season?

No question we had a very depleted roster entering the season since we added 8. However my comment was directed to the next year and beyond. Is MU a better team in 16-17 and beyond? Obviously we will be without HE. I do not dismiss his value this year but he has no impact moving forward. Instead of Henry we would be better suited having added a 4* PF last year who would be starting this year. Also, I presume we would have another scholarship available in Wally's slot.

[wadesworld]

No question we had a very depleted roster entering the season since we added 8. However my comment was directed to the next year and beyond. Is MU a better team in 16-17 and beyond? Obviously we will be without HE. I do not dismiss his value this year but he has no impact moving forward. Instead of Henry we would be better suited having added a 4* PF last year who would be starting this year. Also, I presume we would have another scholarship available in Wally's slot.

...we had scholarships available for these players that you evidently think are so easy to find and get to sign with your program.  Hank (and Walter) did not use up our last scholarship(s).

[DaCoach]

...we had scholarships available for these players that you evidently think are so easy to find and get to sign with your program.  Hank (and Walter) did not use up our last scholarship(s).

Tell me. How much time do you spend at night practicing your sarcasm? Fact is recruits look at the team that's offering scholies.  How many big men are willing to sign behind HE? And where did I ever suggest players are so easy to find and sign? If you feel having a grownup discussion, fine. If you'd rather act like a child with all the answers, save for your mother when you ask for a higher allowance.

[jaygall31]

Who's to say we can't be villanova in year+? Maybe I'm just too optimistic but Rowsey, Traci, Hanni, and Markus in a year or so...that's quite the guard set up. And you don't need a world beater in the post, just serviceable. And obviously a Hybrid type...Thinking that'll be Hauser, not Sandy.

Like I said, maybe I'm just too optimistic.

[wadesworld]

Tell me. How much time do you spend at night practicing your sarcasm? Fact is recruits look at the team that's offering scholies.  How many big men are willing to sign behind HE? And where did I ever suggest players are so easy to find and sign? If you feel having a grownup discussion, fine. If you'd rather act like a child with all the answers, save for your mother when you ask for a higher allowance.

So we should've gotten a big who would be around the next 3 years and could help us longer term than Hank, but we couldn't because those bigs saw Wojo landing Hank and they didn't want to sit behind him, but those bigs weren't smart enough to know (and Wojo wasn't smart enough to tell them) that Hank would be gone after their freshman year and, after a year of practicing against a lottery pick power forward, they would have the starting job at the 4?

Hank did not prevent bigs to come to Marquette.  If he did, we'd have one coming in for the class of 2016.

[real chili 83]

If Henry had not signed on last year, we would be heading into next year with an experienced player, probably a big body. Instead we start from scratch. So, was it worth it to gain a few wins for a non-tourney? It seems to me that it's similar to trading a good prospect in baseball for a top notch player when you have a 2nd division team.

No sense signing a one and done unless you're a contender.

Do you know Nate?

[Marcus92]

Second-guessing is always easier in hindsight.

At the time of Henry's signing, I don't remember reading a single objection on this board. I was ecstatic (and still am). He was the most highly acclaimed Marquette recruit in decades, the centerpiece of a top 10 class. Henry instantly stepped into the starting lineup — becoming an all-Big East player and freshman of the year who helped transform a losing team. Despite falling short of the NCAA tournament, Henry was a difference maker.

Who wouldn't want that kind of player? No coach in the country would have turned him down — even if you knew ahead of time he'd declare for the draft. To argue otherwise strikes me as asinine.

[MU82]

Tell me. How much time do you spend at night practicing your sarcasm? Fact is recruits look at the team that's offering scholies.  How many big men are willing to sign behind HE? And where did I ever suggest players are so easy to find and sign? If you feel having a grownup discussion, fine. If you'd rather act like a child with all the answers, save for your mother when you ask for a higher allowance.

Oh boy.

The guy who asks for the grown-up discussion resorts to name-calling and dopeyness.

He also has nary a shred of evidence to support his thesis.

Gotta love Scoop.

[Herman Cain]

Ridiculously dumb hot take on Henry, courtesy of the Marquette Tribune.

http://marquettewire.org/3947508/sports/fiorentino-beware-the-one-and-done/

Actually I thought the author had a lot of good points. He painted a fair and balanced picture of the pros and cons.