New Plan: Let's Start Cheating

[brewcity77]

UConn gets a postseason ban, then wins the title. Syracuse self bans four years of violations, then the NCAA rewards them (literally) by ignoring their worst losses to give them an undeserved bid and Final Four. Figure Louisville and SMU are virtual locks to meet in the Championship game next year.

So how about it, Wojo? Pay players, hire hookers, fake classes, and make sure we get busted for it. We'll be back to the Final Four in no time!

[Tugg Speedman]

UConn gets a postseason ban, then wins the title. Syracuse self bans four years of violations, then the NCAA rewards them (literally) by ignoring their worst losses to give them an undeserved bid and Final Four. Figure Louisville and SMU are virtual locks to meet in the Championship game next year.

So how about it, Wojo? Pay players, hire hookers, fake classes, and make sure we get busted for it. We'll be back to the Final Four in no time!

We should have hired Ben Howland

[GGGG]

We should have hired Kelvin Sampson.

[bilsu]

It is hard to argue that Syracuse got an undeserved bid when they made the final four.

[Nukem2]

It is hard to argue that Syracuse got an undeserved bid when they made the final four.

Not based upon its season.  That's how you get a bid.   

[DJO's Jaw]

It is hard to argue that Syracuse got an undeserved bid when they made the final four.

No it's not. Their resume wasn't worthy of a bid. How they did after getting the bid doesn't retroactively make it more or less deserved.

[naginiF]

We should've kept Buzz

Sorry, couldn't resist

[Tugg Speedman]

We should've kept Buzz

Sorry, couldn't resist

Should have kept Kevin O'Neill

[GoldenWarrior11]

Puh-lease.  We should be going after Bo Ryan.

[MU82]

True dat on Syracuse.

And don't forget that North Carolina cheated like hell for more than a decade, funneling athletes into make-believe courses. All the while, Roy Williams kept sayin', "Dadgumit, I have no idear how that doggone dilly of a thang ever happened!"

I can't be too hard on UNC, though, as they did take out both Indiana and ND.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Louisville is sitting out this tournament and more punishment likely coming.

UNC is going to get nailed.  They are in the final throngs before that comes down.

UCONN, we will see how they do longer term, but they are in a status of limbo.


I know you were joking around, but eventually the piper has to be paid, just like USC football got clobbered out here.  Sure, they had their run, and got some hardware, but they had to pay a healthy penalty as a result.

[GooooMarquette]

Louisville is sitting out this tournament and more punishment likely coming.

UNC is going to get nailed.  They are in the final throngs before that comes down.

UCONN, we will see how they do longer term, but they are in a status of limbo.


I know you were joking around, but eventually the piper has to be paid, just like USC football got clobbered out here.  Sure, they had their run, and got some hardware, but they had to pay a healthy penalty as a result.

Hope you're right about UNC.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

There has to be some serious consequences both for UNC and the department that fostered the deception

[brewcity77]

It is hard to argue that Syracuse got an undeserved bid when they made the final four.

It really isn't. The NCAA suspended Jim Boeheim for 9 games including losses to Georgetown and St. John's, their two worst RPI losses of the year. The Orange went 4-5 in that span. But when it came to determining their place in the tournament, the NCAA determined that their OWN suspension should not be counted against Syracuse.

Not only did the suspension levied by the NCAA not hurt the Orange, it actually HELPED them because 38.5% of their losses were wiped out including their two worst losses. The wins in that span were all home cupcake wins over Colgate, Cornell, Texas Southern, and Montana State.

What other team got to discount the worst 9-game stretch of their season, their two worse losses, and over a third of their losses when it came to determining inclusion in the tournament? No one. So Syracuse cheated and the NCAA's decision was to reward them for that. Absolutely inexplicable, despicable, and only enforces that cheating is an action to be lauded, praised, and rewarded by the pathetic institution that is the NCAA.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hope you're right about UNC.

They have 5 Tier 1 allegations against them.  That's as bad as it gets.  I know people love to make conspiratorial comments like they are in the NCAA tournament because of the money.  Sounds nice, but it's silly.  The NCAA gets their money from Turner and CBS whether UNC, Duke, etc are in the tournament.   It is guaranteed, ratings have nothing to do with it...those are for the networks. 

Unfortunately, without subpoena power, the NCAA's ability to investigate is always tough, and it takes a long time.  UNC will get hit.

What I don't think will happen, and wish it would.....would be to vacate this championship if they win it.  I don't think anyone has the balls to do that.

[brewcity77]

Louisville is sitting out this tournament and more punishment likely coming.

UNC is going to get nailed.  They are in the final throngs before that comes down.

UCONN, we will see how they do longer term, but they are in a status of limbo.


I know you were joking around, but eventually the piper has to be paid, just like USC football got clobbered out here.  Sure, they had their run, and got some hardware, but they had to pay a healthy penalty as a result.

Nope. It's rare that teams actually end up paying the piper like USC and (ages ago) SMU had to. Instead, the NCAA views cheating as a noble effort to be praised, which is why programs with documented actions of cheating, from Duke to Syracuse to UConn to Louisville to North Carolina continue to be given laurels.

This may be a bit tongue in cheek, but the NCAA absolutely has created a culture where cheating is to be not only allowed but encouraged and rewarded. Any school not cheating to get ahead clearly does not prioritize winning as an important endeavor, because when you cheat, the NCAA rewards you.

[jaygall31]

We will see whether there is bias or not in the NCAA with how hard they are slapped. I hope its hard.

[brewcity77]

What I don't think will happen, and wish it would.....would be to vacate this championship if they win it.  I don't think anyone has the balls to do that.

Of course that won't happen. The only reason Memphis had their victories vacated was because they were runners up. When you win, the NCAA rewards you, no matter how those wins are earned.

[MU82]

They have 5 Tier 1 allegations against them.  That's as bad as it gets.  I know people love to make conspiratorial comments like they are in the NCAA tournament because of the money.  Sounds nice, but it's silly.  The NCAA gets their money from Turner and CBS whether UNC, Duke, etc are in the tournament.   It is guaranteed, ratings have nothing to do with it...those are for the networks. 

Unfortunately, without subpoena power, the NCAA's ability to investigate is always tough, and it takes a long time.  UNC will get hit.

What I don't think will happen, and wish it would.....would be to vacate this championship if they win it.  I don't think anyone has the balls to do that.

I, too, think UNC will get nailed eventually.

I don't know what grounds could be used to vacate this championship if they win. Not a single recruit for this team was in the sham courses. I guess they could say they lacked institutional control and therefore everything that happened in the wake of the shame classes, especially given Williams' likely knowledge, could make vacating this season a reasonable punishment. But I don't think it will be seriously considered as that seems a reach.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Nope. It's rare that teams actually end up paying the piper like USC and (ages ago) SMU had to. Instead, the NCAA views cheating as a noble effort to be praised, which is why programs with documented actions of cheating, from Duke to Syracuse to UConn to Louisville to North Carolina continue to be given laurels.

This may be a bit tongue in cheek, but the NCAA absolutely has created a culture where cheating is to be not only allowed but encouraged and rewarded. Any school not cheating to get ahead clearly does not prioritize winning as an important endeavor, because when you cheat, the NCAA rewards you.

Then the NCAA....which is the member schools....including Marquette....have no one to blame but themselves.

[brewcity77]

Then the NCAA....which is the member schools....including Marquette....have no one to blame but themselves.

Which perfectly explains why they don't actually punish themselves, and reinforces that the only smart play is to cheat often and repeatedly.

[VegasWarrior77]

UNC gets hammered and Roy retires...

[Tugg Speedman]

Of course that won't happen. The only reason Memphis had their victories vacated was because they were runners up. When you win, the NCAA rewards you, no matter how those wins are earned.

USC vacated its championships and Reggie Bush had to give back his Heisman.  Memphis vacated it finals because Derek Rose cheated on his SAT.

Given these precedents UNC should get a death penalty in both football and basketball, if not the entire athletic department (all sports).

What will they actually do?

Remember Jerry Tarkanian's famous line  ....

The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky it will probably slap another two years probation on Cleveland State.

[connie]

Remember Jerry Tarkanian's famous line  ....

The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky it will probably slap another two years probation on Cleveland State.

Gotta go with Tark on this one.

[KenoshaWarrior]

Louisville is sitting out this tournament and more punishment likely coming.

UNC is going to get nailed.  They are in the final throngs before that comes down.

UCONN, we will see how they do longer term, but they are in a status of limbo.


I know you were joking around, but eventually the piper has to be paid, just like USC football got clobbered out here.  Sure, they had their run, and got some hardware, but they had to pay a healthy penalty as a result.

But you cant take away fan memories. Thats the problem.