[Matt Velazquez] Henry Ellenson's NBA decision looming

[WarriorPride68]

Nobody seems to entertain the idea that he follows his dad's footsteps and transfers to Bucky

Lol. Made me chuckle. We would have to close down Scoop

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Nobody seems to entertain the idea that he follows his dad's footsteps and transfers to Bucky

For even thinking of such an awful idea

[brewcity77]

Agree with the red, it'll be 2-3 years, but his lateral quickness will not be an issue in the future.

Disagree with the blue, I didn't see any improvement there, but that may in part be due to stiffer competition later in the season.

He notably improved his timing on blocking shots later in the season. He also did improve his footwork as the season went on. There were a few times where I was impressed how well he was able to move compared to previously. Trying to remember who it was...someone was just running layup drills on us all night long. Might have been the road game at Creighton? Just running a constant curl moving right from the top of the key toward the hoop. It was Henry finally being able to use his length to push the drivers wide and he took away their ability to drive at us. I think it was Creighton...anyway, it totally changed their plan of attack and helped us win the game.

Now granted, I'm not saying there isn't still a lot of room for improvement, but I did see some improvement through the season, even with the step up in competition.

[Herman Cain]

Henry Ellenson's NBA decision looming

After rewriting Marquette’s freshman record book by finishing with 17.0 points and 9.7 rebounds per game, winning Big East freshman of the year, and getting multiple freshman all-America nods and many more accolades, Ellenson has a big decision to make about his future.

Source: Henry Ellenson's NBA decision looming

How does anyone know that next years class of freshman are going to be better than this years. There is a big difference between high school and college and we haven't seen them play yet.

Henry will go to the combine and get his review. If he is a high enough pick he will go. If not he will stay. We will learn the results of the combine soon enough.

[MUEng92]

Nobody seems to entertain the idea that he follows his dad's footsteps and transfers to Bucky

Ban him for a month for that suggestion!!

[Dawson Rental]

Nobody seems to entertain the idea that he follows his dad's footsteps and transfers to Bucky

Punch drunk this morning, hey?

[brewcity77]

How does anyone know that next years class of freshman are going to be better than this years. There is a big difference between high school and college and we haven't seen them play yet.

Henry will go to the combine and get his review. If he is a high enough pick he will go. If not he will stay. We will learn the results of the combine soon enough.

One interesting thing about next year's draft...it's really backcourt heavy. This year they are talking about how Dunn is the clear top PG prospect, largely because there really aren't any other PG prospects outside of maybe Ulis and Trimble. Next year, there's Dennis Smith, Lonzo Ball, De'Aaron Fox, Markelle Fultz, and that's not to mention Edmond Sumner might jump in next year.

But looking at the top frontcourt prospects, it gets a lot thinner. Sure, Harry Giles and Thon Maker will be up there and have been talked about for years, but there aren't many more 2016 freshman bigs that Henry will be competing with. Staying might not hurt his draft stock as much as some suspect simply because there isn't a ton of big man talent next year, and definitely not as much as this year with Simmons, Rabb, Chriss, Skal, Zimmerman, Poetl, and others.

[Da 'Lanche]

"HE gowne!
He stayne!
This Board wrong
This Board insane

Let HE be
Let HE explore
All HE options
And discuss no more!

When HE decide
When HE choose
We be aaiiight
We still have booze."

Submitted by Shakespeare on a bathroom wall in the Al.

[4everwarriors]

Stick yo wet finger in da air on Tuesday when classes resume. Y'all have a better idea den, hey?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

One interesting thing about next year's draft...it's really backcourt heavy. This year they are talking about how Dunn is the clear top PG prospect, largely because there really aren't any other PG prospects outside of maybe Ulis and Trimble. Next year, there's Dennis Smith, Lonzo Ball, De'Aaron Fox, Markelle Fultz, and that's not to mention Edmond Sumner might jump in next year.

But looking at the top frontcourt prospects, it gets a lot thinner. Sure, Harry Giles and Thon Maker will be up there and have been talked about for years, but there aren't many more 2016 freshman bigs that Henry will be competing with. Staying might not hurt his draft stock as much as some suspect simply because there isn't a ton of big man talent next year, and definitely not as much as this year with Simmons, Rabb, Chriss, Skal, Zimmerman, Poetl, and others.

Huh, I've just heard for so long how deep next year's draft is, I never bothered to look what makes it so deep. He still sacrifices a year of making money by waiting, but if teams are in need of a big man (which teams at the top of the lottery usually are), he might actually get picked higher in next year's draft. I think he also has a better chance of making an immediate impact in the NBA if he stays an extra year.

Money still favors Henry leaving, that'll never change. But maybe there are more pros in the stay column than we originally thought. Still think he goes, but I'm down to 65% he stays-35% he goes. (No inside info, purely personal opinion)

[blikemike2]

What about the concept of the rookie contracts being much much higher with the new CBA (2017?), if that is indeed the case there would be some incentive for players to stay and cash in when the NBA becomes ungodly ridiculous with its new cash flows. 

[GGGG]

What about the concept of the rookie contracts being much much higher with the new CBA (2017?), if that is indeed the case there would be some incentive for players to stay and cash in when the NBA becomes ungodly ridiculous with its new cash flows. 

The rookie contract levels do not adjust with the salary cap.  They are hardwired into the CBA that is currently in place.

[blikemike2]

While the current CBA runs through the 2020-21 season, the NBPA has said it will opt out of it after the 2016-2017 season, effectively creating a two-year timetable for the players union and the league to come to an agreement on a range of revenue-sharing issues.


With the cap expected to go significantly higher one would assume the rookie contracts will be larger as well, has to be negotiated but it would seem to make sense. Sultan I didn't mean the rookie salaries are adjusted under current agreement, what I meant was there will be a new agreement in place for the 17-18 season. Henry plays one more year with us I bet he gets more than $9 million over 4 years.

[GGGG]

While the current CBA runs through the 2020-21 season, the NBPA has said it will opt out of it after the 2016-2017 season, effectively creating a two-year timetable for the players union and the league to come to an agreement on a range of revenue-sharing issues.


With the cap expected to go significantly higher one would assume the rookie contracts will be larger as well, has to be negotiated but it would seem to make sense. Sultan I didn't mean the rookie salaries are adjusted under current agreement, what I meant was there will be a new agreement in place for the 17-18 season. Henry plays one more year with us I bet he gets more than $9 million over 4 years.

OK got it.  Thanks for the clarification.

[dgies9156]

Nobody seems to entertain the idea that he follows his dad's footsteps and transfers to Bucky

HIROSHIMA!!!!! With a Nagasaki chaser.

[MomofMUltiples]

The rookie contract levels do not adjust with the salary cap.  They are hardwired into the CBA that is currently in place.

The current (and this year) rookie contracts are hard-wired into the current CBA.  This means that if you are a rookie in 2016-17, or a second year player, your compensation is locked in for 17-18 (and 18-19 in the case of a 2016 rookie who's option is picked up) regardless of what happens to the CBA.  However, if the CBA is renegotiated next year, it will include a new rookie scale for 2017 draftees that is expected to be somewhat higher than the current scale based on the new TV contract and increased salary caps.  From an annual pay standpoint, waiting for next year's draft could be better for a player who's draft stock isn't expected to drop next year.  And yes, I understand that by not going this year, a player gives up this year's millions. 

Of course, right now it is only speculation that the CBA will be renegotiated this year, but it's a reasonable thought that the Players Association won't let all those lovely millions go to the owners for long.  Shouldn't really factor much into a decision to stay or go. Kris Dunn came back for another year because he wanted to graduate (to set a good example for his sisters) and he wanted to work on a few things so he could actually play in the NBA, and not just be in the NBA.  Cat Barber is leaving now because he wants to buy his mama a house.  There's all kinds of things that go into decisions.  My guess is that Henry won't play around with this.  He'll announce quickly whether he is going or staying, and he won't screw Wojo over on the April signing period if he's going.  At least I hope that's the case.

[Goose]

Mom

You know your stuff!!

[Galway Eagle]

Mom

You know your stuff!!

What if she's Mrs Ellenson?! I mean that would make her the MomofMUltiples

[GGGG]

What if she's Mrs Ellenson?! I mean that would make her the MomofMUltiples

[MomofMUltiples]

What if she's Mrs Ellenson?! I mean that would make her the MomofMUltiples

I wish.  I could use a kid who is making $millions.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What if she's Mrs Ellenson?! I mean that would make her the MomofMUltiples

Big Mama 84?

[mug644]

I wish.  I could use a kid who is making $millions.

But you would advise him to hold off on making millions for at least one more year, right?

[MomofMUltiples]

But you would advise him to hold off on making millions for at least one more year, right?

I might, if I thought he needed to mature a little more before entering the hard and fast world of professional basketball.

In January this year the Wolves were playing in SLC and and Towns, Wiggins, LaVine and Tyus Jones were turned away from a bar and grill where they stopped for a burger after the game because none of them were 21. This was news, so you gotta wonder how many bars/clubs admit them because they are NBA players (doubt they could get away with a fake id). They say the male brain is not fully developed until age 25 (for some of my kids I'm sure it took longer than that), so suddenly making millions and taking on the lifestyle of a pro athlete could be tough for a 19 year old to handle.

But that's just the mom in me talking.

[mug644]

I might, if I thought he needed to mature a little more before entering the hard and fast world of professional basketball.

In January this year the Wolves were playing in SLC and and Towns, Wiggins, LaVine and Tyus Jones were turned away from a bar and grill where they stopped for a burger after the game because none of them were 21. This was news, so you gotta wonder how many bars/clubs admit them because they are NBA players (doubt they could get away with a fake id). They say the male brain is not fully developed until age 25 (for some of my kids I'm sure it took longer than that), so suddenly making millions and taking on the lifestyle of a pro athlete could be tough for a 19 year old to handle.

But that's just the mom in me talking.

Good, mom. Good.

[fjm]

MOM has a point. Kinda.
Making millions sounds fun! Gonna be annoying when your teammates go one place and you can't because of age (although I'm sure many places will turn a blind eye once they see the money that you are bringing in).
Stay in college and hang and do things college friends do! Take $5 to the local house party and you're good to go! My college memories are the best.

Then again that's the greedy MU fan in me. The other side says make that money.