pathetic attendance tonight

[MerrittsMustache]

They have the points for consecutive years as a STH, so if you drop your tickets for one year you lose all those points.

Also, we have 2 more years in the BC, the new arena won't open until 2018-19.

I guess I didn't realize that you lost all of your points when you didn't renew. I thought they just sat there.

[Windyplayer]

Speaking of the Hall......if they get 8,000 to a game it's described as "packed house" and "filled to the rafters" and "best crowd I've seen since I started playing here", etc. Marquette was the worst team in the Big East last season and is near the bottom this season and still fans are bitching about a game against Stetson on a Wednesday with an 20.00 tip that got 6,000(?) in real people attendance.

To the other point about time of day, midwest people are shut ins. They simply do not enjoy being out much past 21.00 regardless of the day of the week. It's ingrained from childhood when primetime starts at 19.00 and the news is on at 22.00 which breeds a much different perspective with those on either coast as to what is/isn't "late" for events.

Psh, I find getting 8 hours or more of sleep incredibly sexy and fun.

[jsglow]

Looking at Litehouse's map.  I'd go $150 for the corners (matching the young alum price, just no free beer.....okay, free beer....and I'd move the $275ers to include 402, 420, 424, and 442.  I'd also go back to $99 in the endzone.

I wouldn't touch lower bowl pricing.  Those guys will buy forever.

[KenoshaWarrior]

To the other point about time of day, midwest people are shut ins. They simply do not enjoy being out much past 21.00 regardless of the day of the week. It's ingrained from childhood when primetime starts at 19.00 and the news is on at 22.00 which breeds a much different perspective with those on either coast as to what is/isn't "late" for events.

This is true.  I love going to see my parents in South Carolina but I cant stand the TV shows and games being on so gosh darn late. 

People in the midwest also start the workday about 1.5 to 2 hours earlier.   It is very common for a lot of people to work 7-4  as opposed to 9-5 .   Blue collar jobs in the midwest start even earlier.  Most factory shifts start between 3 and 6 am!!

[jsglow]

This is true.  I love going to see my parents in South Carolina but I cant stand the TV shows and games being on so gosh darn late. 

People in the midwest also start the workday about 1.5 to 2 hours earlier.   It is very common for a lot of people to work 7-4  as opposed to 9-5 .   Blue collar jobs in the midwest start even earlier.  Most factory shifts start between 3 and 6 am!!

Yep.  East coast and midwest essentially on the same clock.  It's just offset by an hour.

[warriorchick]

I guess I didn't realize that you lost all of your points when you didn't renew. I thought they just sat there.

You don't lose all of your points (like for donations or being an MU grad), but there are points awarded based on consecutive years of season ticket ownership.

[bradley center bat]

Yep.  That number does include students.  That'll fall off too.  MAX student attendance this year was probably Belmont on opening night.  About half way up the upper sections so that's already down probably 500-750 from the heyday.

Many of the students buy season tickets at $99 for the reason to just go to around 4 games per year. National MU Day resell for $50.

[MerrittsMustache]

You don't lose all of your points (like for donations or being an MU grad), but there are points awarded based on consecutive years of season ticket ownership.

Got it. I didn't read Litehouse's post close enough.

Either way, I'd still like to see some way of awarding "bonus" points or priority in reseating to those of us who will be sticking it out the next couple of years...oh, and also to retain more STH.

[keefe]

Are you advocating ringers?  Jabari Parker with a mustache, perhaps?

Put Diener in a uni with "Smith" on the back while wearing a pair of those nose/stache glasses. That'll open up the floor.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I just don't see it Chicos.  The stadium isn't until '18-'19.  Now for season ticket holders in line from positions 1-5000 I'll agree.  Our friend Jack who has had seats since 1971 isn't going anywhere.  Even Chick and I will re-up at some level and we've had ours just short of 10 years.  But the guy who bought during the Sweet 16 era and travels as far as we do?  And while I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers, we're already down by about 30% from the days of 15,000+.  Of course there's a floor, but that floor is certainly south of 10,000.  Look, today a Blackhawks ticket is by far the hardest ticket in town.  10 years ago old man Bill couldn't give 'em away.

The thing is, based on the configuration of the new stadium, how many lower bowl seats vs BC, people may be incentivized to stick where they are at or risk being totally moved in a new configuration.  I say that not knowing the new seating dimensions, so it could be a non starter.

The Blackhawks, well there are a all kinds of business case studies around that.  The lack of television, some will say it hurt as people didn't know the product well.  Others point to the fact the team just wasn't very good.  Now the team is in its hey day.  That can ebb and flow. 

We'll see what happens, I have no doubt it will go down some, but I don't think it drops 20% or some of the numbers I've seen in the post.  The problem that MU has had since day one is the building is too damn big.  MECCA was too small and crappy, but there is rarely a ticket scarcity concern in the BC even during the high water mark with some of the Crean teams or Buzz teams.  It's unfortunate, but that's the deal.

[ChicosBailBonds]

They have the points for consecutive years as a STH, so if you drop your tickets for one year you lose all those points.

Also, we have 2 more years in the BC, the new arena won't open until 2018-19.

Yup, and the department needs to remind STH of that to the hilt.  You don't want to cancel now, not with a new building coming in a few years and an improving team, yada yada yada.  Even if you don't believe the second part, the first part is tangible.  Lose your place in line, and lose your good access to the new building.  That is real, and MU needs to play on that now, which I have no doubt from a marketing perspective they will.

[WarriorPride68]

The problem that MU has had since day one is the building is too damn big.  MECCA was too small and crappy, but there is rarely a ticket scarcity concern in the BC even during the high water mark with some of the Crean teams or Buzz teams.  It's unfortunate, but that's the deal.

I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?

Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue

[MUfan12]

I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?

Only game in town, and they draw more non-alumni.

Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue

17-17,500 is the range they're shooting for. It will be a much better layout for hoops.

[warriorchick]

I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?

Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue

The new arena is going to be  smaller.  And UW has the advantages of having at least 5 times more alumni than Marquette, no pro sports in Madison as competition, and the non-alum affinity that comes with being the primary state institution

[WarriorPride68]

17-17,500 is the range they're shooting for. It will be a much better layout for hoops.

That sounds like a great number. 2018-19 can't get here soon enough

[GGGG]

I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game.

Why?  Cmon.  They are a completely different school in a different community.  Marquette will always have a smaller fan base than UW.  What they do over there shouldn't matter to you one bit.

[BM1090]

I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?

Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue

It's not a market thing as it is a sheer numbers thing. Marquette has 11K students. Wisconsin has 43K students. Far more alumni.

[WarriorPride68]

It's not a market thing as it is a sheer numbers thing. Marquette has 11K students. Wisconsin has 43K students. Far more alumni.

Understood. I was way off on understanding the overall alumni numbers. Was going off MKE having 300,000+ more population than Madison. But that seems irrelevant. You all made good points, appreciate it

[mu_hilltopper]

Yup, and the department needs to remind STH of that to the hilt.  You don't want to cancel now, not with a new building coming in a few years and an improving team, yada yada yada.  Even if you don't believe the second part, the first part is tangible.  Lose your place in line, and lose your good access to the new building.  That is real, and MU needs to play on that now, which I have no doubt from a marketing perspective they will.

I think .. anyone with a large enough longevity point bonus (10+ years) who decides to give up their tickets .. are never coming back, new stadium or not.

I think people are putting too much value on the new stadium thing.   No season ticket holders complain about the BC.  It's perfectly fine.  At best the new stadium will be a novelty for a while.  Running counter to that are .. inevitable higher ticket, food, beverage, and parking costs.  Meanwhile .. you can just scalp a few games and get that new-stadium-smell experience without a 20 game committment.

If you're giving up your tickets / longevity points, your complaints are about other things.  Team performance .. non-conference opponents .. Big East opponents .. lack of replays / better to watch at home, etc.  -- Those issues won't be solved with a new stadium.

(And also .. the new stadium will have more lower bowl seats .. the scarcity of lowers was what kept people holding on to Season tickets .. now there'll be more / more availability in the secondary market.)

[BM1090]

It's not as much a market thing as it is a sheer numbers thing. Marquette has 11K students. Wisconsin has 43K students. Far more alumni.

[ChicosBailBonds]

(And also .. the new stadium will have more lower bowl seats .. the scarcity of lowers was what kept people holding on to Season tickets .. now there'll be more / more availability in the secondary market.)

Thanks, that's the information I wasn't aware of.

[bilsu]

bilsu, if I've been paying attention correctly, you've been a STH since the late 60's / early 70's.  Your frustration, IMO, means something.  I hope MU is paying attention.

I have been going to games since 1962 and paying for my tickets since 1969. However, my consecutive season ticket points go back to 1956. When they came up with the point plan they allowed you to transfers tickets between family members before the initial reseating. We transferred my tickets starting in 1969 to my father and he transferred his tickets starting in 1956 to me. He continued to sit in the excellent 1956 seats and I continued to sit in my 1969 seats. He of course is no longer with us, but I now have the points going back to 1956. If I were to drop my tickets not only are these points gone, but they also take away your donation points. So if I dropped them for a year I would lose points good enough to currently have me around the 93rd percentile. If I then decided to pick up tickets a season later, I would only have my 10 points for graduating from MU. The only protection would be to buy the cheapest seats in the house instead of dropping my tickets and I would only have to buy one set to do that. I was born in 1952, so my tickets go back to my 4th birthday.

[4everwarriors]

Fossil like, ai na?

[jsglow]

Wow. I suspect that all folks who have higher ticket priority do it based on very significant donations.  I don't think I've heard season tickets that went back that far.I remember my dad telling me about the Wittenberg (sp?) brothers from the early 1950's. MU was actually quite good when he was in school and the Arena was brand spanking new. I believe that he might have attended games during the inaugural year.

[rocky_warrior]

If I were to drop my tickets not only are these points gone, but they also take away your donation points.

Well, if you keep donating (without buying tickets), I don't believe that's true. 

• 1 point for each consecutive years of donating to the Blue & Gold Athletic Scholarship Fund, effective July 1, 2002 through June 30, 2005.
• 2 points for each consecutive years of donating to the Blue & Gold Athletic Scholarship Fund, July 1, 2005 and after.
• Minimum donation requirement: $100 per fiscal year.

http://www.gomarquette.com/bluegold-fund/bgf-priority-point-system.html