Improvement

[HoopsterBC]

As a basketball fan, it is great to have 2 big time programs in the state.  Since the Wisconsin victory, which team as improved the most?  I will answer my own question,
Wisconsin by far.  Tonight we have seen to much lately, 22 turnovers, wow.  Still won, have to love that, but against most teams, big loss.  Up 20, then then it is turnover
city.  Does MU practice against a press?  Poor coaching.

[wadesworld]

No, they don't practice against the press.  There is just a video that has been shown in our last game and on this site showing them practicing against the press and Wojo stopping the play when they inbound it to the trap corners like they did tonight.  But hey, it's on the coaches, can't believe they wouldn't go over that in practice.  Or something like that.   

And why are we concerned with how much the Vadgers have improved or not improved?

[WarriorPride68]

Can we not go a day without worrying about those Badgers?

[HoopsterBC]

Only two schools I watch, so, just watching the progress of both teams over the season.  And you have a new coach at Wisconsin fighting for a job, MU gave 2 years
extra to Wojo, not sure about that yet.

[wadesworld]

Only two schools I watch, so, just watching the progress of both teams over the season.  And you have a new coach at Wisconsin fighting for a job, MU gave 2 years
extra to Wojo, not sure about that yet.

You should voice your concern with Bill Scholl and Mike Broker.  Numbers and emails provided in the link:

http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html

[naginiF]

You should voice your concern with Bill Scholl and Mike Broker.  Numbers and emails provided in the link:

http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html

also, i'm sure you'd find a great quorum for your point of view at:
http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-basketball-board or,
http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3/Badger-Basketball-Board/Badger-Basketball-Board#.VqWZmzZgdp8

[HoopsterBC]

You should voice your concern with Bill Scholl and Mike Broker.  Numbers and emails provided in the link:

http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html

Wojo still deserves 2 more years to see what he can do, Buzz left the cupboard bare, so starting over.  Just concerned that losing Henry and right now, no big to replace
him, he really needs to find another player, for next year and the following year.  Bailey if he comes, Hauser and the returning players can be very good with one or two
rebounders in the future.  Right now, his recruiting in my mind is suspect going forward, hope I am wrong.

[HoopsterBC]

also, i'm sure you'd find a great quorum for your point of view at:
http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-basketball-board or,
http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3/Badger-Basketball-Board/Badger-Basketball-Board#.VqWZmzZgdp8

So I should go over there, and I do, tell them that Greg Gard is doing a great job, maybe, but lots of season left over there, and I am sure Barry wants Tony Bennett to
be his next coach.

[wadesworld]

Wojo still deserves 2 more years to see what he can do, Buzz left the cupboard bare, so starting over.  Just concerned that losing Henry and right now, no big to replace
him, he really needs to find another player, for next year and the following year.  Bailey if he comes, Hauser and the returning players can be very good with one or two
rebounders in the future.  Right now, his recruiting in my mind is suspect going forward, hope I am wrong.

Wojo's number is also on that page.  Feel free to let him know what he needs to do on the recruiting front to answer your questions about him as a coach and recruiter.  I'm sure he'll be very appreciative.

[HoopsterBC]

Wojo's number is also on that page.  Feel free to let him know what he needs to do on the recruiting front to answer your questions about him as a coach and recruiter.  I'm sure he'll be very appreciative.

I am pretty sure he knows the weaknesses of this group.

[ChicosBailBonds]

As a basketball fan, it is great to have 2 big time programs in the state.  Since the Wisconsin victory, which team as improved the most?  I will answer my own question,
Wisconsin by far.  Tonight we have seen to much lately, 22 turnovers, wow.  Still won, have to love that, but against most teams, big loss.  Up 20, then then it is turnover
city.  Does MU practice against a press?  Poor coaching.

Simple, Wisconsin was playing below their capabilities before.  Three juniors from a national runner-up, a ton of experience.  They're now playing more to their capability.  We are playing about where I thought.  So I get what you are saying, but the reality is that the Vadgers were sucking donkey tits earlier this year, probably because Bo had his crank in Tara too much.  Whatever it was, they were not playing well including a shocking loss to a horrific Western Illinois team that has gone on to suck about as bad as a team can suck.  We are playing about where we should considering the crazy number of 1 and 2 year experienced players we have.

[brandx]

Only two schools I watch, so, just watching the progress of both teams over the season.  And you have a new coach at Wisconsin fighting for a job, MU gave 2 years
extra to Wojo, not sure about that yet.

Have you ever posted a positive comment about MU?

Just wonderin'.

[Oldgym]

So I should go over there, and I do, tell them that Greg Gard is doing a great job, maybe, but lots of season left over there, and I am sure Barry wants Tony Bennett to
be his next coach.

Sure, knock yourself out. Stay awhile.

[HoopsterBC]

Have you ever posted a positive comment about MU?

Just wonderin'.

Ok, I will post something positive.  Henry Ellenson is the best rebounder at MU since Don Kojis, best freshman stats ever, maybe best freshman ever.  Hard to compare
Henry with the 70's freshman because those freshman were surrounded by other high school All-Americans.  Those players did not have great stats,  Al had a system.
Other than that,  not sure.  Not sure about the coaching yet either.  Like to be more positive.  You can tell me what I should be more positive about?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sure.

--Absolute stud freshman that is averaging a double-double
--Another frosh guard that is a major contributor and looks like he will be absolutely fantastic during his MU career
--Getting a player who could generously be described as up and down his first two years to buy in and show a major improvement his Junior year
--Another great freshman and promising transfer coming in next year
--The continuing development of the other three freshman

[willie warrior]

Ok, I will post something positive.  Henry Ellenson is the best rebounder at MU since Don Kojis, best freshman stats ever, maybe best freshman ever.  Hard to compare
Henry with the 70's freshman because those freshman were surrounded by other high school All-Americans.  Those players did not have great stats,  Al had a system.
Other than that,  not sure.  Not sure about the coaching yet either.  Like to be more positive.  You can tell me what I should be more positive about?

A few others would rank ahead of him. Mangham, Mo Lucas, and maybe the elevator man. Hell, Duane Johnson was only about 6'5" and was a better rebounder. But none could match Kojis

[HoopsterBC]

A few others would rank ahead of him. Mangham, Mo Lucas, and maybe the elevator man. Hell, Duane Johnson was only about 6'5" and was a better rebounder. But none could match Kojis

Did not see Walt play, so I have no idea.  But as much as I loved watching Luke, Ric and Duane, not sure there stats were as good as Henry.  I can not remember a player that has had as many double, doubles that Henry has already.  David Boone was a great rebounder as well and I was at the Loyola game when Pat Smith had
like 28 boards against them.  I am pretty sure a MU one game record, that kid could jump out of the gym at 6'3".  If somebody would like to look those players rebounding stats, love to see.

[keefe]

A few others would rank ahead of him. Mangham, Mo Lucas, and maybe the elevator man. Hell, Duane Johnson was only about 6'5" and was a better rebounder. But none could match Kojis

Wasn't David Boone a rebounder? (I was living overseas in those pre-Internet days...)

[MerrittsMustache]

Did not see Walt play, so I have no idea.  But as much as I loved watching Luke, Ric and Duane, not sure there stats were as good as Henry.  I can not remember a player that has had as many double, doubles that Henry has already.  David Boone was a great rebounder as well and I was at the Loyola game when Pat Smith had
like 28 boards against them.  I am pretty sure a MU one game record, that kid could jump out of the gym at 6'3".  If somebody would like to look those players rebounding stats, love to see.

Their stats won't necessarily tell you who was a better rebounder, just who had better rebounding stats.

For example, in 1972-73, Maurice Lucas averaged 10.9 reb/game, 2nd on the team was Larry McNeill with 9.9 then George Frazier at 7.1. That's about 28/game between just those three. There was clearly some rebounding cannibalism going on there.

Other than HE and Fischer, the current MU team has basically zero rebounders. That's going to drive HE's numbers up.

[HoopsterBC]

Their stats won't necessarily tell you who was a better rebounder, just who had better rebounding stats.

For example, in 1972-73, Maurice Lucas averaged 10.9 reb/game, 2nd on the team was Larry McNeill with 9.9 then George Frazier at 7.1. That's about 28/game between just those three. There was clearly some rebounding cannibalism going on there.

Other than HE and Fischer, the current MU team has basically zero rebounders. That's going to drive HE's numbers up.

Luke was pretty good, probably the best.   Pretty sure that those twosomes were better than Fisher and Henry.  Playing along Bill Walton in the pros, was fun to watch.   Surprised Frazier had 7 boards as well, very athletic.  That was a hell of a rebounding team.

[willie warrior]

Wasn't David Boone a rebounder? (I was living overseas in those pre-Internet days...)

Forgot about Boone. definitely a very good rebounder.

[GooooMarquette]

As a basketball fan, it is great to have 2 big time programs in the state.  Since the Wisconsin victory, which team as improved the most?  I will answer my own question,
Wisconsin by far.  Tonight we have seen to much lately, 22 turnovers, wow.  Still won, have to love that, but against most teams, big loss.  Up 20, then then it is turnover
city.  Does MU practice against a press?  Poor coaching.

So Wisconsin has handled the rigors of conference play better than MU, and you assume the difference is just coaching?  I think it shows that experience matters once you get to the meat of your schedule.  The rodents start 4 juniors and a frosh.  MU typically starts 3 frosh, a soph and a junior.  Big shock that the transition to conference play was easier for the rodents than MU.

It's easier to look like a good coach when you have experienced players.

[HoopsterBC]

So Wisconsin has handled the rigors of conference play better than MU, and you assume the difference is just coaching?  I think it shows that experience matters once you get to the meat of your schedule.  The rodents start 4 juniors and a frosh.  MU typically starts 3 frosh, a Sophi and a junior.  Big shock that the transition to conference play was easier for the rodents than MU.

It's easier to look like a good coach when you have experienced players.

Experience is huge, particularly at the point.  They have Koenig, who has been up and down, against MSU way up.  Bigger upside then Traci, but the steal and pass to
Cohen was a great play.  I am a favorite of a shooting point,  ie.  Henry, Diener, James compared to Traci and Wilson.

[CTWarrior]

Experience is huge, particularly at the point.  They have Koenig, who has been up and down, against MSU way up.  Bigger upside then Traci, but the steal and pass to
Cohen was a great play.  I am a favorite of a shooting point,  ie.  Henry, Diener, James compared to Traci and Wilson.

Your point guard needs to defend, avoid turnovers and most importantly, initiate the offense including hopefully scoring some.  Derrick defended and avoided turnovers, but did not do anything to initiate offense or help us score.  Carter is going to be fine as a defender and I think he will be fine at initiating offense, including doing some scoring on his own.  He gets into the lane already more than Derrick ever did, but hasn't been able to get the ball to our big guys when he does and seems reluctant to shoot/draw fouls.  Part of that is the big guys feel of where to present themselves to get the ball.  He needs to drastically cut down on the loose play/turnovers.  He's playing fast and he has to develop into playing fast and smart.  I think he will eventually and hopefully take a big step forward next year.  I much prefer the aggressive personality from the PG rather than the passive one.  We need him to be the PG because we don't have any other options on the roster (or on the way so far, I think, admittedly not having much idea what Rowsey can do or who else Wojo is able to bring in next year).

[DUNKS45]

Sure.

--Absolute stud freshman that is averaging a double-double
--Another frosh guard that is a major contributor and looks like he will be absolutely fantastic during his MU career
--Getting a player who could generously be described as up and down his first two years to buy in and show a major improvement his Junior year
--Another great freshman and promising transfer coming in next year
--The continuing development of the other three freshman

+1, well said, the future is bright.