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[sailwi]

Are you sure? Game log has a HE turnover and foul at the 6:23 mark of the 2nd half.

Well now I am not so sure, I wasn't listening intently and it never crossed my mind that was an O foul but since the ref at mid court called it it would make more sense that it was a foul vs stepping on the line. The replay seemed to concentrate on where his feet were on the drive so I just assumed it was stepping on the line.  It looks like I stand corrected.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Henry.

[Newsdreams]

Oh Henry!

[wadesworld]

No one should get it.

That's the spirit!

I would've guessed you would've been class of like 1951.

[wadesworld]

Gotta go with the guy from Rice Lake.

I didn't think Walter was as good as usual.

Hank.

Glad Duane has answered the bell and put together a couple solid games.  Need him to play like this every game.  But he HAS to stop compounding mistakes.  Sometimes players force things and try to drive through 5 defenders.  Unfortunately it happens.  But you CANNOT think "Well crap, that wasn't good, so let me go make up for it by swatting this guy who is wide open for 3 from behind because I ended up on the floor after my missed shot!" and then foul a 26% 3 point shooter.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Henri

[Marcus92]

Henry. Most of his rebounds were right to him,,,

How does this happen time after time, game after game?

Because Henry pays attention to the shot, quickly recognizes whether it's left or right, long or short, knows where it's likely to go, and puts himself in the best position to get the rebound. And once he's got his hands on the ball, chances are nobody is swatting or grabbing it away from him.

That's not luck. That's not just Henry being big (although it certainly helps). He has a rare ability, physically and mentally, when it comes to securing missed shots. He's easily the best rebounder at Marquette in more than 25 years. Did you know he's averaging more rebounds per game than any other freshman in school history? The current record was set back in 1974 by none other than Bo Ellis.

[rocky_warrior]

Did you know he's averaging more rebounds per game than any other freshman in school history? The current record was set back in 1974 by none other than Bo Ellis.

Thank you, the "Henry is just getting lazy rebounds" narrative is really annoying, and ignorant.

[MU82]

Hank, and by a fairly large margin.

And I second the call to please stop with the "rebounds just fall in his hands" mantra. It's dopey and dishonest.

[jsglow]

Henry.

But I'm not discounting 3 others who played like MEN. Du, JJJ and Traci. This is BEast basketball. DEMAND performance.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

HE Man

[WarriorFan]

Henry... even though I've been hard on him most of the year.  He made good passes, made his FT's late, was key to the press break, and the rebounding... wow.  They only come right to him because he's in the right place.    Has anyone ever been drafted in the first round ONLY for rebounding ability?  I believe that's his only NBA ready skill right now, but it's so good that it'll get him a job somewhere. 

[brewcity77]

How does this happen time after time, game after game?

He's good at positioning, but still doesn't fight for boards. Henry's boards come from good positioning and size. But he still doesn't box out well (see Yakwe's easy putback) and is often nearly invisible on the offensive glass.

The kid is the best natural rebounder I've ever seen at Marquette, but if he played with the tenacity and physicality of Jae Crowder, he'd average 15 per game.

[GGGG]

I always thought Dwyane Wade scored too easily. 

[Marcus92]

He's good at positioning, but still doesn't fight for boards. Henry's boards come from good positioning and size. But he still doesn't box out well (see Yakwe's easy putback) and is often nearly invisible on the offensive glass.

The kid is the best natural rebounder I've ever seen at Marquette, but if he played with the tenacity and physicality of Jae Crowder, he'd average 15 per game.

Could Henry improve? Absolutely. His tremendous potential is one of the reasons he's a top 10-15 pro prospect. But I don't think it's fair at all to say he doesn't play or try hard enough. I expect that his teammates and coaches would 100% disagree.

You're comparing Henry as a 19 year old freshman who's played fewer than 20 games at Marquette with Jae Crowder as a 22 year old senior who had played 72 games in Division I, including 6 NCAA tournament games.

Jae "only" averaged 6.8 rebounds per game his junior year. He wasn't named the Big East player of the year. He wasn't an All-American. Does that mean he didn't work hard enough for rebounds then?  Of course not.

Henry is an elite rebounder. One of the best in the nation. One of the best who's ever played at Marquette. That doesn't happen for lack of effort.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He's good at positioning, but still doesn't fight for boards. Henry's boards come from good positioning and size. But he still doesn't box out well (see Yakwe's easy putback) and is often nearly invisible on the offensive glass.

The kid is the best natural rebounder I've ever seen at Marquette, but if he played with the tenacity and physicality of Jae Crowder, he'd average 15 per game.

A lot of the reason guys like Crowder and Wally show so much effort on the boards is because they weren't in good position to start with. Henrys better at that. Size doesnt hurt either. I saw some very high effort rebounds by HE last night.

It's like web gems in baseball. A lot of them happen because the defensive player had poor positioning in the first place abd needed a web gem in order to make up for it

[g0lden3agle]

Question for those that know the stats better than me:  What's the general value of a defensive rebound vs. an offensive rebound in terms or a player's contribution to their team's chances of winning?  I ask because I found myself wondering if I'd be more ok with HE getting 12 defensive + 1-2 offensive for a total of 13-14 vs. his 18 defensive + 0 offensive yesterday.  In other words sacrificing some of his defensive boards if it meant he'd get a couple on the other end.  Is there any real math/science behind this feeling, or do the numbers not back that up at all?

[Marcus92]

I think it's partly a difference in temperament, as well. Jae is a very emotional player. And that's putting it lightly. The image of him that's forever burned in my mind is him throwing his head back, eyes shut, as he lets out a primal scream after a big play.

Well, not every player is Jae. Henry keeps his emotions more in check during a game. He's more cool, calm and collected. That doesn't mean he's not focused, or doesn't feel emotion, or doesn't care, or isn't putting forth a full effort. It just means he doesn't show it. One isn't better than the other.

Ultimately, basketball is a game of results. Not style points. You have more points on the scoreboard at the end of the game, you're the better team. And if you pull down more rebounds, you're the better rebounder. Seems pretty simple to me.

[GGGG]

Question for those that know the stats better than me:  What's the general value of a defensive rebound vs. an offensive rebound in terms or a player's contribution to their team's chances of winning?  I ask because I found myself wondering if I'd be more ok with HE getting 12 defensive + 1-2 offensive for a total of 13-14 vs. his 18 defensive + 0 offensive yesterday.  In other words sacrificing some of his defensive boards if it meant he'd get a couple on the other end.  Is there any real math/science behind this feeling, or do the numbers not back that up at all?

I'm not sure how you can sacrifice defensive rebounds for the sake of offensive ones.  My guess is that Henry doesn't get a lot of offensive rebounds because he shoots more than anyone on the team and usually isn't near the basket when other's shoot.

[forgetful]

I'm not sure how you can sacrifice defensive rebounds for the sake of offensive ones.  My guess is that Henry doesn't get a lot of offensive rebounds because he shoots more than anyone on the team and usually isn't near the basket when other's shoot.

In this game Henry shot 30.8% from the floor, he missed 9 shots.  Usually bigs get their offensive rebounds on their own misses, so I'm not sure that is a legitimate explanation.

[wadesworld]

I think it's partly a difference in temperament, as well. Jae is a very emotional player. And that's putting it lightly. The image of him that's forever burned in my mind is him throwing his head back, eyes shut, as he lets out a primal scream after a big play.

Well, not every player is Jae. Henry keeps his emotions more in check during a game. He's more cool, calm and collected. That doesn't mean he's not focused, or doesn't feel emotion, or doesn't care, or isn't putting forth a full effort. It just means he doesn't show it. One isn't better than the other.

Ultimately, basketball is a game of results. Not style points. You have more points on the scoreboard at the end of the game, you're the better team. And if you pull down more rebounds, you're the better rebounder. Seems pretty simple to me.

Nailed it.  You're quickly becoming one of the best posters on Scoop.

[g0lden3agle]

I'm not sure how you can sacrifice defensive rebounds for the sake of offensive ones.  My guess is that Henry doesn't get a lot of offensive rebounds because he shoots more than anyone on the team and usually isn't near the basket when other's shoot.

Correct, I realize that rebounds aren't a commodity that you give up in one area to gain in the other, but I'm just wondering how much more valuable an offensive rebound is than a defensive one.

The bolded part I agree with and find troubling.  Is a lack of crashing the offensive boards explicitly part of our gameplan?  It seems like with the way this team goes on shooting slumps a few extra offensive boards wouldn't hurt.

[MU82]

Henry... even though I've been hard on him most of the year.  He made good passes, made his FT's late, was key to the press break, and the rebounding... wow.  They only come right to him because he's in the right place.    Has anyone ever been drafted in the first round ONLY for rebounding ability?  I believe that's his only NBA ready skill right now, but it's so good that it'll get him a job somewhere.

If Henry goes pro, he won't be drafted in the first round ONLY for rebounding ability. He will be drafted in the first round -- likely the first 10 -- because of his unique skill set for a man his size and, mostly, because of his potential.

The GM who drafts Hank will not be expecting him to be NBA-ready on Day 1.

[CTWarrior]

Thank you, the "Henry is just getting lazy rebounds" narrative is really annoying, and ignorant.

Right now, I'm not overwhelmed by Henry the shooter or Henry the post up or Henry the passer or Henry the defender, but Henry the rebounder is outstanding.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I always thought Dwyane Wade scored too easily.

The shots from him just fell in, he really didn't deserve too much credit.