Some embarrassing posts......

[ChicosBailBonds]

Fun to see a few folks here that haven't been around in quite some time. 

At any rate, have we all lost our historical anchors?

How long before Kevin O'Neill got things going?  Year 3, and that was a year with no NIT.  Took until year 4.
Tom Crean?  Took until year 3 to get the first NCAA bid

I have no idea if Wojo is the guy, that's why I always tout 4 to 5 years.  Let him get his class or two classes through, but some of the craziness here.  Goodness.  He's doing it the right way, there are no "issues" on the team, no recruiting "issues", etc. 

Things tend to look a lot better on the court when you have experience, good point guard, etc.  Give it some time.

[GGGG]

If the loss to DePaul can get Chicos and I to agree, who knows what else Wojo can do!!!

[Lennys Tap]

If the loss to DePaul can get Chicos and I to agree, who knows what else Wojo can do!!!

When we lost to DePaul (on the road) in Buzz's second year Chico went on and on and on about how embarrassed he was by the coaches and the team. Kinda like the guys he's criticizing now. Hypocrisy.

[Loose Cannon]

Some of us reserve the right to grow wiser as we grow older.

[Goose]

Chico's

In KO's first year he beat ND at home and played Michigan tough the following weekend with nobody on that team and this was in December of that year. There was excitement and action from day one with KO. Two years in to Wojo time and less excitement than when he started surrounding the program.

[LAMUfan]

agree with most of this, not mad at the team, they do more than I ever would, just a case of basketball depression (MU, Lakers and Bucks fan) wah wah

[ChicosBailBonds]

Imagine a team with four future NBA players losing to DePaul....a DePaul team that had ONE conference win that whole year

Jimmy Butler (NBA)
Lazar Hayward (NBA)
Dwight Buycks (NBA)
DJO (NBA)
Junior Cadougan
Mo Acker
ETc

Losing to DePaul.....but they did.  In fact, scored all of 50 points in the effort.  DePaul that year went 1-17 in conference.

Just throwing it out there.  And for the record, I have no doubt I was beyond pissed about it here. 

I'm getting older, wiser.

[wadesworld]

Fun to see a few folks here that haven't been around in quite some time. 

At any rate, have we all lost our historical anchors?

How long before Kevin O'Neill got things going?  Year 3, and that was a year with no NIT.  Took until year 4.
Tom Crean?  Took until year 3 to get the first NCAA bid

I have no idea if Wojo is the guy, that's why I always tout 4 to 5 years.  Let him get his class or two classes through, but some of the craziness here.  Goodness.  He's doing it the right way, there are no "issues" on the team, no recruiting "issues", etc. 

Things tend to look a lot better on the court when you have experience, good point guard, etc.  Give it some time.

Good post.

[Loose Cannon]

agree with most of this, not mad at the team, they do more than I ever would, just a case of basketball depression (MU, Lakers and Bucks fan) wah wah

Here's a thought.  Maybe rather than blaming  100% on the players and coaches, some % should go those experts for their rankings for not seeing what we are Now seeing.  Maybe they miscalculated.

[LAMUfan]

Here's a thought.  Maybe rather than blaming  100% on the players and coaches, some % should go those experts for their rankings for not seeing what we are Now seeing.  Maybe they miscalculated.

For sure, I don't blame college kids for how good they are at basketball, and honestly I wouldn't be any happier if we had lower ranked recruits or team, just over due for some winning which I think a lot of scoopers are

[Aircraftcarrier]

Good post Chicos.Wojo inherited a bare cupboard.Looks like he is not going the Juco route.It is going to take a few years.He has only had one recruiting class.When  he has 3 or 4 of his recruiting classes you will see the difference.How is Duke and Kentucky playing with all their Freshmen? Not so great and they get the cream of the crop. People should be a shamed of themselves at some of these postings.I ran into a recruit at the game last night. Had a nice talk. Sure hope he does not read this board. Believe me some of them read them. You are doing the program no favors by these comments

[Lennys Tap]

Imagine a team with four future NBA players losing to DePaul....a DePaul team that had ONE conference win that whole year

Jimmy Butler (NBA)
Lazar Hayward (NBA)
Dwight Buycks (NBA)
DJO (NBA)
Junior Cadougan
Mo Acker
ETc

Losing to DePaul.....but they did.  In fact, scored all of 50 points in the effort.  DePaul that year went 1-17 in conference.

Just throwing it out there.  And for the record, I have no doubt I was beyond pissed about it here. 

I'm getting older, wiser.

Only older. Your over the top totally bonkers "I'm embarrassed" reaction in 2010 was a swipe at our coach. Nothing more. BS the new guys all you want but you can't BS those of us who were on Scoop back then.

[mdubs]

Fun to see a few folks here that haven't been around in quite some time. 

At any rate, have we all lost our historical anchors?

How long before Kevin O'Neill got things going?  Year 3, and that was a year with no NIT.  Took until year 4.
Tom Crean?  Took until year 3 to get the first NCAA bid

I have no idea if Wojo is the guy, that's why I always tout 4 to 5 years.  Let him get his class or two classes through, but some of the craziness here.  Goodness.  He's doing it the right way, there are no "issues" on the team, no recruiting "issues", etc. 

Things tend to look a lot better on the court when you have experience, good point guard, etc.  Give it some time.

FWIW, Kevin did inherit Tony Smith.   We did go to the NIT Kevin's first year and lost to Penn St. in the first round.   After the insufferable Dukiet regime, that was a big deal.

[GGGG]

Chico's

In KO's first year he beat ND at home and played Michigan tough the following weekend with nobody on that team and this was in December of that year. There was excitement and action from day one with KO. Two years in to Wojo time and less excitement than when he started surrounding the program.

I think that is quite the rosy picture.  In December, after we beat UW and coming off our wins in Brooklyn, people were plenty excited here. 

And 1989-90 team had a future NBA player in Tony Smith as a senior who put up a couple 40 point games.  This team didn't have that last year and doesn't have that this year. 

In KO's second year, they went 11-18 and missed the post-season.  They had three freshman that built up the core of the next good MU team however.  They still missed the post-season as sophomores with a freshman Tony Miller but made the NCAAs the next two years.

So if you are going to compare Wojo to KO, the first year isn't apple to apples.  But after that, it may be a good lesson about what we should expect in terms of growth and the time it takes.

[bilsu]

I thought KO made the NIT his first year. Tony Smith's senior year, but my memory might be off.

[Goose]

In KO's second year they played an A schedule and struggled. Anyone that knew anything about basketball knew they were on the way to bigger things

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

KO and Crean - no Big East, AL, track record of success, weekly national televised games, big budget.   

[MU82]

Chico's

In KO's first year he beat ND at home and played Michigan tough the following weekend with nobody on that team and this was in December of that year. There was excitement and action from day one with KO. Two years in to Wojo time and less excitement than when he started surrounding the program.

I was in Brooklyn in November and was freakin' thrilled and proud to see Marquette's players and coaches being handed the trophy while MARQUETTE MARQUETTE MARQUETTE flashed on all the scoreboards and signboards at Barclay Center. I watched both the Wisconsin and Providence games with large groups of MU alums and we were beyond excited as we watched both.

We've had some pretty nice moments this season.

Some pretty crappy ones, too, and DePaul was a low.

Most Scoopers who aren't knee-jerk yahoos commented two months ago that the team probably would win a few they "shouldn't" and lose a few they "shouldn't," because that's what young teams do.

Get a grip, try having some perspective ... and don't try to claim there hasn't been a good deal of excitement this season.

[brewcity77]

I'm not ready to write Wojo off by any stretch. I do think it's fair to start wondering if it's time to say goodbye if we don't see measurable progress by this time next year.

[GGGG]

In KO's second year they played an A schedule and struggled. Anyone that knew anything about basketball knew they were on the way to bigger things

That's Monday Morning Quarterbacking at its finest.  That was the year they lost in the first round of the MCC conference tournament and it was depressing.  That team was very similar to this one.

[GGGG]

I thought KO made the NIT his first year. Tony Smith's senior year, but my memory might be off.

They did.  Sorry I didn't mean to exclude that.

[tower912]

That's Monday Morning Quarterbacking at its finest.  That was the year they lost in the first round of the MCC conference tournament and it was depressing.  That team was very similar to this one.

Except that neither Mac, nor Key, nor Logterman were planning on leaving after a year. 

[GGGG]

KO and Crean - no Big East, AL, track record of success, weekly national televised games, big budget.   

Which all helps recruiting - which is exactly what Wojo is doing well.

[GGGG]

I'm not ready to write Wojo off by any stretch. I do think it's fair to start wondering if it's time to say goodbye if we don't see measurable progress by this time next year.

Oh I agree completely.  He has two more years IMO.

[4everwarriors]

In da words of that great 21st century American prophet, Charles Barkley, who once said, "I make 3 million bucks a year. I don't get embarrassed," hey?