HE's court placement

[Lighthouse 84]

Wojo made a comment the other day about his view of where he thinks Hank should play on the court is different than where HE feels he should play, or something to that effect.

While watching yesterday's game, I couldn't help think the same thing all game long.  The Johnnies were obviously much smaller than HE and yet instead of being a constant presence in the post (especially when Luke was out), Hank continued on the perimeter for the most part.  Seems to me the best use of him would be on the block and feed it to him every time down the court.

[tower912]

Wojo made a comment the other day about his view of where he thinks Hank should play on the court is different than where HE feels he should play, or something to that effect.

While watching yesterday's game, I couldn't help think the same thing all game long.  The Johnnies were obviously much smaller than HE and yet instead of being a constant presence in the post (especially when Luke was out), Hank continued on the perimeter for the most part.  Seems to me the best use of him would be on the block and feed it to him every time down the court.

Foul line area.   Instead of 4-out, go 3- out with Henry patrolling the foul line area and Luke down low.   Pulls the second big away from Luke, Henry is tall enough that if a smaller defender rotates to him off of the double team, he can hit the 15-17 ft jumper over him.   Slides down to the weak side off of jumpers from the perimeter. One dribble to the basket rather than a series of dribbles resulting in an offensive foul.   But Henry wants to show his range and perimeter abilities.   

[mu03eng]

Henry is not a post up big most of the time....he can do it but it's probably one of his biggest weaknesses. Tower is right, we need him to soak up the mid-range stuff and draw the front line up, high low with Henry and Luke should be deadly.

[GB Warrior]

Henry is not a post up big most of the time....he can do it but it's probably one of his biggest weaknesses. Tower is right, we need him to soak up the mid-range stuff and draw the front line up, high low with Henry and Luke should be deadly.

Completely agree, but Fish still does not have the strength he should to consistently eat and dominate down low. He didn't have a full offseason for S&C, and it shows.

[brandx]

I want the ball in Henry's hands a lot. Playing in the low post, he would be dependent on someone else getting him the ball.

A freshman that played at a small HS who is halfway through his 1st season and is 3rd in scoring and 1st in rebounding in the BE?

He's doin' OK.

[Class71]

Henry is not a post up big most of the time....he can do it but it's probably one of his biggest weaknesses. Tower is right, we need him to soak up the mid-range stuff and draw the front line up, high low with Henry and Luke should be deadly.

Sure, that works when Luke is in but when he is out on fouls, etc. it is time he learns how to post up. Clearly Luke is missed when Henry is out there alone.

[GGGG]

Sure, that works when Luke is in but when he is out on fouls, etc. it is time he learns how to post up. Clearly Luke is missed when Henry is out there alone.

Actually Marquette has been effective in recent games, especially Providence, when Henry was out there without Luke.  He doesn't need to post up to be effective offensively.

[tower912]

I don't understand why Wojo doesn't run more two man sets against a man defense.  Running pick and roll or pick and pop with Duane, haanif and Henry. 

[MU82]

I love HE at the FT line when Luke is in the game; with his mid-range shot, his passing ability and his height, he is ideally suited for the high post.

When Luke is on the bench, I'd like to see HE post up sometimes -- and he does.

[brandx]

Henry has moved up to the #4 pick in the draft per Chad Ford at espn. Ford probably speaks more to NBA GMs than any of the other guys making these lists.

"Ben Simmons has NBA scouts giddy; Brandon Ingram and Dragan Bender have shown All-Star potential. Some teams include Henry Ellenson in that group as well. But after those four NBA draft prospects, scouts see an inconsistent freshman class. In projecting the draft, this provides opportunities to upperclassmen to crash the lottery."

[rocket surgeon]

      if i were an nba gm, melo and buddy hield would be on my wish list.  not just wishful/selfish thinking, but i really think HE could use one more year and he would be even more dominant.  i don't know what the class of 2017 looks like as for the nba, but injury aside, it would also be a life decision.  meaning-enjoy being a kid for one more year before you start filling up the bank account.  key point=injury

[GGGG]

2017 is very deep.  If HE wants to maximize his draft status, assuming the rest of the year goes well for him, this would be the year to come out and not wait. 

Heid and Trimble are good guards but I don't think either is a lottery pick at this point.  Maybe late lottery when all is said and done. 

[Nukem2]

I love HE at the FT line when Luke is in the game; with his mid-range shot, his passing ability and his height, he is ideally suited for the high post.

Yep, that's his best spot.  Makes use of his very good mid-range shot and can go high-low to  Luke or hit the open 3 point shooter or drive to the hoop if open.

[MU82]

Henry has moved up to the #4 pick in the draft per Chad Ford at espn. Ford probably speaks more to NBA GMs than any of the other guys making these lists.

"Ben Simmons has NBA scouts giddy; Brandon Ingram and Dragan Bender have shown All-Star potential. Some teams include Henry Ellenson in that group as well. But after those four NBA draft prospects, scouts see an inconsistent freshman class. In projecting the draft, this provides opportunities to upperclassmen to crash the lottery."

I don't have Insider, so I can't see Ford's latest big board, but what he says in this little article is that Henry is the No. 4 freshman in the class, not the projected No. 4 overall draft pick. Maybe he is projected that high, but that's not what this says.

Perhaps somebody with Insider can add something to this discussion.

[CTWarrior]

I don't have Insider, so I can't see Ford's latest big board, but what he says in this little article is that Henry is the No. 4 freshman in the class, not the projected No. 4 overall draft pick. Maybe he is projected that high, but that's not what this says.

Perhaps somebody with Insider can add something to this discussion.

He has Ellenson number 4 on his draft board, not among freshmen (he is 3rd among freshmen)

His draft board top 10 is

1.  Ben Simmons LSU Fr
2.  Brandon INgam Duke Fr
3.  Dragan Bender Croatia
4.  Henry Ellenson Marquette Fr
5.  Kris Dunn Providence Jr
6.  Jaylen Brown California Fr
7.  Jakob Poetl Utah So
8.  Jamal Murray Kentucky Fr
9.  Furkan Korkmaz Turkey
10. Skal Labissiere Kentucky Fr

[Coleman]

2017 is very deep.  If HE wants to maximize his draft status, assuming the rest of the year goes well for him, this would be the year to come out and not wait. 

Heid and Trimble are good guards but I don't think either is a lottery pick at this point.  Maybe late lottery when all is said and done.

He should probably just stay until 2018 then.

[brandx]

He has Ellenson number 4 on his draft board, not among freshmen (he is 3rd among freshmen)

His draft board top 10 is

1.  Ben Simmons LSU Fr
2.  Brandon INgam Duke Fr
3.  Dragan Bender Croatia
4.  Henry Ellenson Marquette Fr
5.  Kris Dunn Providence Jr
6.  Jaylen Brown California Fr
7.  Jakob Poetl Utah So
8.  Jamal Murray Kentucky Fr
9.  Furkan Korkmaz Turkey
10. Skal Labissiere Kentucky Fr

There will be changes to come, of course, as it is still early. The combine also makes a difference.

An example would be Stone. I have never been able to get a good read on his height. I have seen as low as 6'8" and as high as 7'. If he shows 6'10' or better at the combine, he will absolutely be a top 10 pick. Were he to measure at 6'8", however, I could see him dropping to about the low 20 range as he is strictly a post player.

[wadesworld]

There will be changes to come, of course, as it is still early. The combine also makes a difference.

An example would be Stone. I have never been able to get a good read on his height. I have seen as low as 6'8" and as high as 7'. If he shows 6'10' or better at the combine, he will absolutely be a top 10 pick. Were he to measure at 6'8", however, I could see him dropping to about the low 20 range as he is strictly a post player.

I don't see Stone going top 10 even if he gets listed at 7'6".

[The Lens]

When scouts place Henry in the top 4 and then complain about the rest of the Freshmen Class, what they are saying is we don't look at Sophs, JRs or SRs because all the talent came out already.  That is one of the battles we're facing with Henry; the stigma that staying is bad.

[rocket surgeon]

2017 is very deep.  If HE wants to maximize his draft status, assuming the rest of the year goes well for him, this would be the year to come out and not wait. 

Heid and Trimble are good guards but I don't think either is a lottery pick at this point.  Maybe late lottery when all is said and done.

that was the variable-supply & demand.  and injury of course.  hard to argue with any decision he makes. 

you don't think hield is a high(top 10) draft?  he's pretty tough.  scored over 40 against the #2; granted that was 2 ot's, but he had well over 30 in regulation.  chris paul?  i'd say derek rose, but he has really fizzled

[GGGG]

that was the variable-supply & demand.  and injury of course.  hard to argue with any decision he makes. 

you don't think hield is a high(top 10) draft?  he's pretty tough.  scored over 40 against the #2; granted that was 2 ot's, but he had well over 30 in regulation.  chris paul?  i'd say derek rose, but he has really fizzled

Chis Paul and Derrick Rose are point guards.  Hield isn't.  He's a 6'4" SG.  Unless he has some point skills, or can REALLY shoot, he may not be big enough.

[brandx]

Chis Paul and Derrick Rose are point guards.  Hield isn't.  He's a 6'4" SG.  Unless he has some point skills, or can REALLY shoot, he may not be big enough.

He's a pretty strong guy, so if he is truly 6'4", he'll be OK. Wade and Beal (along with several other starters) are the same size.

[MU82]

He has Ellenson number 4 on his draft board, not among freshmen (he is 3rd among freshmen)

His draft board top 10 is

1.  Ben Simmons LSU Fr
2.  Brandon INgam Duke Fr
3.  Dragan Bender Croatia
4.  Henry Ellenson Marquette Fr
5.  Kris Dunn Providence Jr
6.  Jaylen Brown California Fr
7.  Jakob Poetl Utah So
8.  Jamal Murray Kentucky Fr
9.  Furkan Korkmaz Turkey
10. Skal Labissiere Kentucky Fr

Thanks for this. Very interesting about Hankster being No. 4.

I LOVE what I've seen of Ingram. He's skinny but wiry-strong, he can score inside and outside and he's got a pretty darn good handle.

[brewcity77]

I don't see Stone going top 10 even if he gets listed at 7'6".

I don't know...he might be below the basket, but he's getting really consistent of late. 16.2 ppg/6.8 rpg in his last 9 games and has gone for double digit points and over 100 ORtg in each game. He's an absolute monster on the offensive glass and is good at both getting to and converting at the line. Also a solid shot blocker.

I don't see him as a NBA stud, but he's a guy who has the makeup to do all the things you want at the position. If he continues to put up these numbers throughout conference play, he'll work his way up the boards.

[brandx]

Thanks for this. Very interesting about Hankster being No. 4.

It's funny cuz we've had people here complaining about Henry's play.

But when NBA GMs look at him, he has done nothing but rise in the rankings. I believe he started the year at #10 or #11 in Ford's rankings.