SOTG

[Skatastrophy]

not to turn this in to a bs thread, but i hate when sporting news in general start hailing a dude before he's even dry behind the ears.  once they anoint someone, many times, they are stubborn to criticize b/c it would be like admitting they were wrong.  i'm sure we will have a thread or two on bs and other legitimate POY'S, but i remember when they did this to a certain quarterback in the nfl who was adequate at best and then went on to flame out.  anyway, MU's great win overshadowed by a good, but not yet great playa...stay tuned.  go HE

As a content creator it's much easier to keep telling the same story than to come up with new material. I think they stick to their guns because it's easier and cheaper.

[bilsu]

I'm going with Hani but EVERYONE contributed.  Even Matty gave us 5 very solid minutes.

Obviously, Heldt is not the star of the game, but I have been pretty pleased with the few minutes he played the last two games. Maybe, he is better suited for playing against big players than smaller ones.

[jsglow]

That young man has hustle. I would say he was the toughest guy on the floor yesterday. Talk about playing hard in the minutes you're given.

LOVED his game.  Do that every night young fella.  Guys are starting to find their roles.  JJJ, Wally and Matty are very important to this team.  Even Sacar's 30 seconds at the end of the half at GTown.  Not commenting specifically on his foul that possession but his willingness to enthusiastically do his job when called upon.

[Skatastrophy]

Obviously, Heldt is not the star of the game, but I have been pretty pleased with the few minutes he played the last two games. Maybe, he is better suited for playing against big players than smaller ones.

You can imagine the calls if he was throwing his weight around vs smaller teams. He bangs down low.

[21rooster]

HC

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein  2h2 hours ago
Hannif Cheatham's efficiency is ridiculous. Shooting 55.9% from the field and 61.1% from three-point range. Just a freshman for Marquette.

Looks like Rothstein must be a reader.  His tweet came five minutes after my post about how efficient Cheatham is. 

[brewcity77]

I forgot about that first three.  When it happened to put MU up 5-0, I could have sworn he was not completely behind the line and thought they would correct it to a 2.  They never showed a replay and never mentioned it.  Did anybody else think the same thing?

Thought the exact same thing. I said to my wife "love his long-range twos" and was surprised when they didn't change it. But hey, I'll take the extra point, deserved or not

[wadesworld]

Cheatham

After Henry hit his 1st three point attempt I was worried he'd keep jacking them up, went 1-5. Hasn't Wojo already mentioned at times the team jacks up too many?

They showed the replay a few times throughout the broadcast (at one point coming back from break they highlighted his versatility by showing a bucket of his in the post, that shot, and a block at the defensive end) and it was definitely a 3 pointer.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

not to turn this in to a bs thread, but i hate when sporting news in general start hailing a dude before he's even dry behind the ears.  once they anoint someone, many times, they are stubborn to criticize b/c it would be like admitting they were wrong.  i'm sure we will have a thread or two on bs and other legitimate POY'S, but i remember when they did this to a certain quarterback in the nfl who was adequate at best and then went on to flame out.  anyway, MU's great win overshadowed by a good, but not yet great playa...stay tuned.  go HE

You mean like when ESPN was putting together RGIII's HoF introduction half way through his rookie season?

[BlindboyPatSmith]

Cheatham....or anyone but Wilson or Fischer

[forgetful]

Cheatham....or anyone but Wilson or Fischer

That's a little rough for the guy that made the game winner and as a guard was second on the team in rebounds. 

[muwarrior97]

1.  Haanif
2.  HE
3.  Du.

HUGE win!!

Go Warriors!

AGREED!

[keefe]

Looks like Rothstein must be a reader.  His tweet came five minutes after my post about how efficient Cheatham is.

Or...or...YOU, sir, are Jon Rothstein!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!

[forgetful]

Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!

I think you are under appreciating how difficult it is for a guard to be as efficient as Cheatham was, while controlling the offense much of the game and guarding a guy slated to go number 5 in the NBA draft.

Even with all that he was the leading scorer. 

[rocket surgeon]

You mean like when ESPN was putting together RGIII's HoF introduction half way through his rookie season?

yeah-that's it!!  and donovan mcchoke

[21rooster]

Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!

I would imagine that you're probably right to some extent.  I probably don't give Henry quite enough credit for rebounds and altering shots when he does get in position.  My biggest sticking point for Henry last night was shot selection.  Henry shot a respectable 46% last night, but that percentage would have been a lot better if he had stayed away from the three point line, where his 1-for-5 shooting brought his season average down to 25%.  Not only is Henry's 3pt % lowest on the team for all except Wally, but our best rebounder (Henry) is not there to rebound the other 75%.  Now...Henry's impact in other aspects of the game would have gotten him the nod in most games, but shot selection gave Cheatham the slight edge last night.  Either way, I'd take that Freshmen combination over nearly any other team's two best Freshmen. 

[brewcity77]

At this point, I'd be happy to see Heldt get SOTG, just to get someone up there. Come on, mods, enough reminding us of the Georgetown loss! We beat a top-10 team last night!!!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Henry shooting threes doesn't really bother me. They are usually smart and open looks. He can hit them. IIRC he shot around 40% from three in Italy and that was from nba range. He has the range but hasn't been hitting them. If he was taking contested threes, I'd have an issue. But if he has the shot and its halfway through the shot clock or less, then he should take it.

[brewcity77]

Henry shooting threes doesn't really bother me. They are usually smart and open looks. He can hit them. IIRC he shot around 40% from three in Italy and that was from nba range. He has the range but hasn't been hitting them. If he was taking contested threes, I'd have an issue. But if he has the shot and its halfway through the shot clock or less, then he should take it.

Safe to say that what happened in Italy was fun, but isn't the same as real game action. Similarly, we heard about how great guys like Dan Fitzgerald and Jake Thomas were in practice. Maybe Jake could hit 100 straight in an open gym, but if it isn't translating to game action, it's not the same.

I have a few problems with Henry's threes. First, often Henry isn't taking in rhythm threes. Usually, he hesitates before shooting. Seems to think about whether he should pass or shoot. More often than not, the threes guys think about are the ones that don't go in. Not sure why that is, but it seems universal among even good shooters.

Next problem is that he's doing it when Luke's not on the floor. You can't be the only big man on the floor and launching threes. If you miss (which he does over 70% of the time) there's no one to get the rebound. If Luke's down in the paint it's different, but too often he likes the quick three with no one in position to rebound wearing the same color shirt.

End of the shot clock would be okay, someone has to shoot, but it also seems like he has no problem shooting early in the clock. Quite often I find myself shaking my head and thinking "work the offense" when he jacks a shot up. It's different if you're a Steve Novak or Steph Curry type that will hit anything if you have a glimmer of daylight, but if you aren't (and he isn't) then you shouldn't be taking those shots unless it's necessary.

Henry is shooting 47.7% inside the arc. I'd rather see him try a drive and pull up from the elbow most times than shoot a three. He isn't a terrible shooter, but he shouldn't be taking more than 1-2 per game. He makes his hay from 18 feet and in. Would much rather he generally stick to that unless it's wide open and in rhythm.

[bilsu]

Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!

We forget that he is a freshmen. 15 games into the season he is already 6th in rebounds by an MU freshmen. Barring an injury he will finish as the number one freshmen scorer and rebounder in MU history. He will finish second in block shots behind Jim MacILvanie. He could be better defensively, but even there he is doing better than the average freshmen player.

[MarquetteDano]

We forget that he is a freshmen. 15 games into the season he is already 6th in rebounds by an MU freshmen. Barring an injury he will finish as the number one freshmen scorer and rebounder in MU history. He will finish second in block shots behind Jim MacILvanie. He could be better defensively, but even there he is doing better than the average freshmen player.

Great points.

[Skatastrophy]

Bump for the mods.

[keefe]

We forget that he is a freshmen. 15 games into the season he is already 6th in rebounds by an MU freshmen. Barring an injury he will finish as the number one freshmen scorer and rebounder in MU history. He will finish second in block shots behind Jim MacILvanie. He could be better defensively, but even there he is doing better than the average freshmen player.

Not arguing but if freshmen could have played back in the day Chones, Luke, and McNeill would be way up there on PPG and RPG for freshmen.

[rocky_warrior]

Bump for the mods.

Wow, you people are impatient.  After scouring the box score, despite my gut wanting to give it to Haanif, Henry had the best line, and the block of the game.

[#UnleashSean]

More often than not, the threes guys think about are the ones that don't go in. Not sure why that is, but it seems universal among even good shooters.

It's because when they think about the three instead of just shooting it. It translates from a subconscious muscle memory into an active movement, which are not as precise.

BOOM SCIENCE'D