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MerrittsMustache

The actual Positives/Negatives seem pretty accurate. NBADraft.net once compared Deshawn Stevenson to Michael Jordan so take their player comparisons with a grain of salt. I'd compare Henry's game more with a guy like Al Harrington or Marcus Morris.

Class71

If he goes into the draft and is picked 26 HE made a mistake. Better to work on the game a the college level if freshman.
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UticaBusBarn


Has Henry actually dropped in these mock drafts? I have not followed them very closely, but all the chatter had him going in the first 10.

Big East time = reality check?

WarriorPride68

Draftexpress is the go to for mock drafts, IMO. They updated this morning, Zags tweeted it out; Henry is at #7.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/

GGGG

Quote from: Class71 on January 05, 2016, 01:43:42 PM
If he goes into the draft and is picked 26 HE made a mistake. Better to work on the game a the college level if freshman.


Eh.  He's a guaranteed millionaire, get's coached by the best in the business, and doesn't have to go to class.

DeCourcy wrote this a few days ago about Justin Anderson who was drafted late in the first round and racking up some DNPs.  That doesn't mean that he made a bad decision.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4689461-justin-anderson-dallas-mavericks-rookie-season-virginia-cavaliers

jesmu84

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 05, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
Very interesting scouting profile of Henry.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

Your preoccupation with cutting down Henry is bordering on obsession. Embarrassing.

BM1090


Marquette_g

This stupid site has Jamal Murray going 15th, which is at least 10 slots lower than he has any chance of going.


tower912

So basically, this one writer things Henry is NBA skilled, but not NBA conditioned or NBA athletic.   So?   Sure, he needs to be more cut.    And most rookies struggle on defense in the NBA.   He won't last until 24 if he goes. 
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It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Dawson Rental

Henry would definitely benefit from spending another year in college playing tons of minutes.  However, he has two much promise and potential to get passed up very long in the draft, so he's almost certainly going because he doesn't owe any of us to pass up millions in salary.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

HoopsterBC

That write up is pretty good about Henry.  He is not an elite athlete at all.  Can he guard Giannis or Jabari right now, doubt it, they would go right by him, or play Tim
Duncan or Diaw, no chance.  He is going to get a steady diet of players either more athletic than him or his size in the Big East.  Lets see how he improves.  Shooting
4 for 15 or 3 for 12, and 1/4 from three land does not cut it in my mind.  It is better to have a long career in the NBA, be ready, players that seat on the bench do not
really improve.  He needs to work on his flat outside shot.

esotericmindguy

I understand they draft on potential, but would you draft him at #7? That seems crazy. Guy is 7-29 in big east play and is getting pushed around down low.

It's two games, I get it. But he's the main reason they're not 2-0 in Beast, he needs to play at a much higher level.

BM1090

Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 05, 2016, 03:34:41 PM
I understand they draft on potential, but would you draft him at #7? That seems crazy. Guy is 7-29 in big east play and is getting pushed around down low.

It's two games, I get it. But he's the main reason they're not 2-0 in Beast, he needs to play at a much higher level.

He was 19-42 in his previous three games vs. high major competition. He'll figure it out.

dgies9156

Below average run/jump athlete ... Second jump is almost non-existant and his athleticism is far below NBA standard ... Lacks explosiveness, raising the question of how effective he can be as a below the rim player at the NBA level ... Better in the half court offensive set then in transition ... His below average athleticism has had an effect on his offensive efficiency, particularly around the rim ... His dunks are generally on broken plays or against below average defenders, and infrequent ... Slow feet keep him from being a good perimeter defender and slow him in the post as well ... May struggle to utilize much of his ball handling ability, particularly in the open floor due to his lack of speed ... Body has good weight, but lacks great muscle. Does not seek out contact or play in a physical manner ... Lack of athleticism allows defenders to recover easily and block shots on his attempts around the rim ... Likes to face up when he gets the ball and is efficient, but should look to add more post moves ... Lacks great ability in pick and roll defense and in the post ...

Tells me he's a two-year or even three-year member of the Warriors!!!!

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Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 05, 2016, 03:40:51 PM
He was 19-42 in his previous three games vs. high major competition. He'll figure it out.

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The only sign of a bad decision by HE - other than not getting picked at all - would be if he gets picked by the 76ers.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2016, 04:01:48 PM
The only sign of a bad decision by HE - other than not getting picked at all - would be if he gets picked by the 76ers.

Why? They just signed Elton Brand! Once Hinkie gets that time machine up and running, they'll be back in contention.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 05, 2016, 04:03:50 PM
Why? They just signed Elton Brand! Once Hinkie gets that time machine up and running, they'll be back in contention.

Excellent news for Sixers fans!

It is 2005, right? ;)

WarriorPride68

Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 05, 2016, 03:34:41 PM
I understand they draft on potential, but would you draft him at #7? That seems crazy. Guy is 7-29 in big east play and is getting pushed around down low.

NBA is all potential. Example from last year, two "1 & done" big men; Myles Turner (10 pts & 6 reb), Trey Lyles (8 pts & 5 reb) went #11 & #12 in lottery.

Henry will be fine if he declares

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Another year in college would do Henry well. I don't anticipate it happening, but it may be in his best interest basketball-wise.  Sure, he'll probably go late in the lottery (unless he continues to play like he has his last two games), but I don't see a scenario in which a 19 year old Henry Ellenson is playing more than spot minutes in the NBA.  He needs to toughen up a bit before he's ready for the show.  But, if I were in his position, I'd probably take the money and sit on the bench.  But another year or two certainly wouldn't hurt his ability to become a difference maker at the next level right away.
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Tugg Speedman

Draft Express has Diamond Stone at 18 and Nigel Hayes at 27.

Do you think both of them come out this year too?

martyconlonontherun

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 05, 2016, 04:42:00 PM
Another year in college would do Henry well. I don't anticipate it happening, but it may be in his best interest basketball-wise.  Sure, he'll probably go late in the lottery (unless he continues to play like he has his last two games), but I don't see a scenario in which a 19 year old Henry Ellenson is playing more than spot minutes in the NBA.  He needs to toughen up a bit before he's ready for the show.  But, if I were in his position, I'd probably take the money and sit on the bench.  But another year or two certainly wouldn't hurt his ability to become a difference maker at the next level right away.

Even if he plays only 15 minutes a game, that is 1,230 minutes in the NBA. That is the equivalent game time of playing 35 minutes a game in college.....against worst competition...with worst teammates. He then has to play school for another year and have worst coaches (college coaches care more about recruiting, where NBA has way better specialists), limited practice time, etc. If Ellenson wants to be a NBA player, HE leaves this year.

I don't understand the myth that players get so much better in college.

brandx

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 05, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
Draftexpress is the go to for mock drafts, IMO. They updated this morning, Zags tweeted it out; Henry is at #7.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/

I would rate ESPN's mock drafts ahead of DraftExpress, but they are pretty good as well. Chad Ford probably talks to NBA GMs more than the other sites. He has Henry at #6

NBAdraft,net is one of the worst.

bilsu

It may or may not be the best for him basketball wise. His athleticism is not likely to change, so if he is getting ding on that now he will get ding on that a year later. Sure he will improve, but he will be discounted for being a year older.

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