collapse

Resources

2024-2025 SOTG Tally


2024-25 Season SoG Tally
Jones, K.10
Mitchell6
Joplin4
Ross2
Gold1

'23-24 '22-23
'21-22 * '20-21 * '19-20
'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

Big East Standings

Recent Posts

What is the actual gap between Marquette and the top of the Big East by tower912
[Today at 02:55:48 PM]


Recruiting as of 5/15/25 by MuMark
[Today at 02:05:31 PM]


2025 Transfer Portal by tower912
[Today at 01:17:14 PM]


Marquette NBA Thread by MU82
[Today at 10:25:17 AM]


2026 Bracketology by MU82
[May 15, 2025, 10:22:37 PM]


Kam update by We R Final Four
[May 15, 2025, 05:47:36 PM]


Pearson to MU by We R Final Four
[May 15, 2025, 04:13:02 PM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address. We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or signup NOW!

Next up: A long offseason

Marquette
66
Marquette
Scrimmage
Date/Time: Oct 4, 2025
TV: NA
Schedule for 2024-25
New Mexico
75

CrackedSidewalks

Grinch Sagarin Gives MU 3.2% chance at NCAA Appearance

Christmas gifts include dominant twin towers, a 8-game winning streak, and three top 10 teams from the Big East to give MU's improving young team many chances for signature wins. In addition, MU is the top team in the nation at keeping teams off the foul line DESPITE putting up great steal and blocked shots numbers - and MU is one of only 15 teams to be both one of the 50 best shooting teams AND the 50 best at shooting defense (eFG%).

The bad news is that analytics give MU only a 3.2% chance of making it to the tournament, based on current Sagarin ratings and the schedule ahead (virtually the same percentage as if we used www.kenpom.com ratings).


ScenarioScenario Resulting in March Madness AppearanceSagarin%RPI, SOS, Over, BE
I20 wins or fewer but win Big East Tournament (e.g. beat SJU, Providence, Xavier, Villanova)0.8%55, 80, 24-11, 9-9 (or worse)

II21 wins plus two tournament wins (e.g. beat Providence, Xavier, lose to Villanova)0.4%55, 75, 23-11, 10-8

III22 wins plus one Big East tourney win (e.g. beat Providence, lose to Xavier)1.0%55, 83, 23-10, 11-5

IV23-8 or better regular season (12-6 Big East even if 1st round loss in BE tourney)0.9%52, 96, 23-9, 12-6 (or better)


BID: Chance of either 23 wins for at-large bid, or BE title (rounding of above reason for 3.2% rather than 3.1%)3.2%any of above

VNO BID: Chance of anything else happening96.8%22 wins or fewer, no BE title

The premise of my calculations is that MU needs 23 total wins for an at-large bid, because anything less leaves MU so far from the top 50 in RPI and potentially outside the top 100 in Strength of Schedule after a "play-in" game in the Big East tournament.

Both Sagarin and Pomeroy project Marquette to finish the regular season 18-13. Using the tool at RPI Forecast, there is an 89.8 percent chance MU finishes the regular season with 20 or fewer wins, and if that is the case MU simply must win the Big East tournament to get a bid.

SCENARIO I - BIG EAST TITLE DESPITE 20 or FEWER WINS - That path would most likely entail winning four games such as St. John's (80% chance of win on neutral court), Providence (39%), Xavier (15%) and Villanova (21%). Multiply those chances together and Marquette would have a 0.94% chance of winning those four to take the title. So under the 89.6% chance of 20 or fewer wins, multiplied by the 0.94% chance of following that effort with a Big East title, there is a 0.8% chance of a bid under this scenario.

SCENARIO II - 21-10 PLUS 2 TOURNAMENT WINS (Providence and Xavier) - If MU wins 21 or more games, the 10-8 or better Big East record should result in a 5th seed or better. There is a 6.8% chance of 21 regular season wins, and a 5.58% chance of then winning at least two tournament games - so a 0.4% of this scenario (add to above and we are up to a 1.2% chance of playing in the tournament.  I always assume getting upset once in six "easy" games, so even hitting 21-10 would entail two wins over currently ranked teams and going 5-1 against Seton Hall, Creighton and Georgetown - then having to won two more at the Big East tournament.

SCENARIO III - 22-9 WIN PLUS 1 TOURNAMENT WIN (Providence) - If MU wins 22 games (11-7 in Big East play), then a win over someone like Providence should be enough for a bid.

SCENARIO IV - 23-8 REGULAR SEASON EVEN IF NO TOURNAMENT WINS - Even a 12-6 Big East season and 23-8 mark coming into the tournament would leave Marquette outside of the RPI Top 50 in addition to being outside the top 100 in strength of schedule going into the Big East Tournament. However, I can't see MU being left out with a record that good in a conference that has played this well out of conference. Even a first round tournament loss against a team like Providence would give MU an RPI of 52 and push MU to a SOS of 96.

The fact is I do believe MU is much better than the current ratings reflect. But the six games against teams outside the RPI 300 leave MU with virtually no margin of error. Even assuming no problems with the final cupcakes (Presbyterian Sunday and Stetson later in the year), games like the Big East opener at home against Seton Hall become must-win games.

I believe MU passes the eye test as a tournament team. The way Wojo has them trained to block shots without fouling are building the base for continued improvement, and experience could cure the turnover issue that is holding the team back. The analytical Grinch says MU has almost no chance, but Santa could have the last laugh again with a strong finish and return to March Madness.



Source: Grinch Sagarin Gives MU 3.2% chance at NCAA Appearance

mu_hilltopper


JTBMU7

i wonder what removing the first 3 games of the season from the calculation/projection would do? i only ask because it's pretty clear this is a different team after the Iowa loss...

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

bamamarquettefan

I hope so, but still stand by us needing one More BE tournament win.
The www.valueaddsports.com analysis of basketball, football and baseball players are intended to neither be too hot or too cold - hundreds immerse themselves in studies of stats not of interest to broader fan bases (too hot), while others still insist on pure observation (too cold).

MU82

With this statistical analysis, it has become obvious to Lovell, Scholl, Wojo and all the players that we might as well cancel the rest of the season.

Too bad. I was looking forward to see what happened.

But now that we know for certain what will happen, I guess it's a good thing there won't be any more games.

See y'all in October 2016!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MarquetteDano

If I had a prop bet in Vegas would they give me 20 to 1 odds that Marquette makes the tourney?  I bet you no way.  And that assumes a 5% chance of making the tourney (well, assuming a break-even for Vegas).

I have a funny feeling that Vegas would give me less than 6 to 1 odds that Marquette goes dancing.  that would imply somewhere near a 20% chance versus the statistical analysis of 3.2%,

jsglow

Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2015, 09:50:03 PM
With this statistical analysis, it has become obvious to Lovell, Scholl, Wojo and all the players that we might as well cancel the rest of the season.

Too bad. I was looking forward to see what happened.

But now that we know for certain what will happen, I guess it's a good thing there won't be any more games.

See y'all in October 2016!

Exactly.  ::)

Class71

Hey, tell them to bugger off. 3% is just fine since MU BB will fall into that group. Two years ago I had a 3% chance of living. It is very, very sweet to beat the odds. MU goes to the bug dance.
⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵



BrewCity83

Quote from: Class71 on December 25, 2015, 08:35:39 PM
Hey, tell them to bugger off. 3% is just fine since MU BB will fall into that group. Two years ago I had a 3% chance of living. It is very, very sweet to beat the odds. MU goes to the bug dance.

If Marquette goes to the bug dance, will they be playing the likes of the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, the Richmond Spiders and the Santa Clara Fighting Banana Slugs?
The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

MU82

Quote from: BrewCity83 on December 26, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
If Marquette goes to the bug dance, will they be playing the likes of the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, the Richmond Spiders and the Santa Clara Fighting Banana Slugs?

My junior year, the bugs in our apartment did a dance every time we turned the lights on.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Class71

Quote from: BrewCity83 on December 26, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
If Marquette goes to the bug dance, will they be playing the likes of the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, the Richmond Spiders and the Santa Clara Fighting Banana Slugs?

Gosh I don't know so  I will let you figure out what letter is next to the i on the keyboard.
⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵

Previous topic - Next topic