Ben Howland

[WarriorPride68]

Who are these 7 top 100 commits to Miss State?

2015:
Malik Newman, consensus top 10
Aric Holman, #73 Rivals
Q-Witheraspoon, #116 on Rivals

2016:
Schnider Herald, #34 -Rivals
Tyson Carter, #62 -Rivals
Lamar Peters, #78 -Rivals
Eli Wright, #94 -Rivals


247 has nearly the same

[Tugg Speedman]

2015:
Malik Newman, consensus top 10
Aric Holman, #73 Rivals
Q-Witheraspoon, #116 on Rivals

2016:
Schnider Herald, #34 -Rivals
Tyson Carter, #62 -Rivals
Lamar Peters, #78 -Rivals
Eli Wright, #94 -Rivals


247 has nearly the same

How does MU compare on the same list?

[WarriorPride68]

How does MU compare on the same list?

2014:
Sandy, #98

2015:
Henry, #11
Cheatham, #78
T.Carter, #90

2016:
Hauser, #133

2016/2018 B.Bailey, #48

[Dr. Blackheart]

Strong wanted Ben after Shaka
Cords wanted a young coach like Brian
Broeker wanted Cuanzo
Doc wanted Shaka then Wojo
Lovell and Ferraro wanted Wojo

Wojo won them over. 

[jesmu84]

Strong wanted Ben after Shaka
Cords wanted a young coach like Brian
Broeker wanted Cuanzo
Doc wanted Shaka then Wojo
Lovell and Ferraro wanted Wojo

Wojo won them over.

Is that why rumblings of Strong being less involved exist?

[🏀]

Is that why rumblings of Strong being less involved exist?

He wasn't consulted

[keefe]

Crean as a person

You're kidding I hope... Crean is one of the biggest assh0les to ever set foot in a gym. 

[Lennys Tap]

I'd take Howland as a coach but Crean as a person. Not close on either count.

I don't know what Howland is like "as a person". But if he's Crean's inferior he's a very, very, very bad man.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You're kidding I hope... Crean is one of the biggest assh0les to ever set foot in a gym.

I'm not going to argue Crean's A$$holeness with you. I know you have your mind made up. But Crean never did anything to public embarrass the university like Howland did at UCLA.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

See the whole drinking with underage players really doesnt bother me at all. I get it from a representing the university standpoint but its not something that bothers me in the slightest.

Drinking with underage players is an embarrassment for a man in his position.

[Gato78]

There is a very true story about Marquette beating Loyola on New Year's Eve in Chicago--at the Chicago Stadium in 1975 or 1976. It was a double header and we were the klate game. After the game, Al tells two managers to go buy a couple of cases of beer. The two managers searched from bar to bar in what was a pretty bad neighborhood at the time. They find a place, buy the beer--crapping in their pants the whole time. As they walk out of the bar, the team bus pulls up, to their delight. The whole team and coaching staff polished 'em off on the way back to Milwaukee.

Drinking with underage players is an embarrassment for a man in his position.

[ronald dragon]

There is a very true story about Marquette beating Loyola on New Year's Eve in Chicago--at the Chicago Stadium in 1975 or 1976. It was a double header and we were the klate game. After the game, Al tells two managers to go buy a couple of cases of beer. The two managers searched from bar to bar in what was a pretty bad neighborhood at the time. They find a place, buy the beer--crapping in their pants the whole time. As they walk out of the bar, the team bus pulls up, to their delight. The whole team and coaching staff polished 'em off on the way back to Milwaukee.

It was a lot easier to get away with things like that when there wasn't camera phones taking pictures of everything.  Still,  It's a cool story.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There is a very true story about Marquette beating Loyola on New Year's Eve in Chicago--at the Chicago Stadium in 1975 or 1976. It was a double header and we were the klate game. After the game, Al tells two managers to go buy a couple of cases of beer. The two managers searched from bar to bar in what was a pretty bad neighborhood at the time. They find a place, buy the beer--crapping in their pants the whole time. As they walk out of the bar, the team bus pulls up, to their delight. The whole team and coaching staff polished 'em off on the way back to Milwaukee.

Drinking age was lower in Al's day. Participating in and encouraging an illegal act is an embarrassing thing to do for a head coach to do to his players.

[Gato78]

Lighten up Francis.

[keefe]

I'm not going to argue Crean's A$$holeness with you. I know you have your mind made up. But Crean never did anything to public embarrass the university like Howland did at UCLA.

He did plenty to embarrass the university. Just as he has done plenty to embarrass IU. The man is a walking penis

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He did plenty to embarrass the university.

Such as? Anything that landed him as a feature story on Sports Illustrated or another major publication?

[keefe]

Such as? Anything that landed him as a feature story on Sports Illustrated or another major publication?

Is your definition of embarrassment limited to an article in Sports Illustrated?

But if you insist on finding broad-based reporting of Crean's absurdly outrageous behavior Bing "Tom Crean Jeff Meyer" and you'll find ample evidence of what an assh0le he is.

[Jay Bee]

Praising "SI" or "another major publication" is wrong in 2015 (or 2013).

Most media gets crap wrong daily and it's disgraceful.

[cheebs09]

Such as? Anything that landed him as a feature story on Sports Illustrated or another major publication?

The man allowed us to to get our doors blown off against Kansas in the Final Four for goodness sake! How much more embarrassing can it get as an institution?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Is your definition of embarrassment limited to an article in Sports Illustrated?

But if you insist on finding broad-based reporting of Crean's absurdly outrageous behavior Bing "Tom Crean Jeff Meyer" and you'll find ample evidence of what an assh0le he is.

So he embarrassed Marquette with something he did as the coach of Indiana? I'll take yelling at someone on national tv over being caught breaking the law with the young men he's supposed to be mentoring.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Praising "SI" or "another major publication" is wrong in 2015 (or 2013).

Most media gets crap wrong daily and it's disgraceful.

Absolutely agree that the media gets crap wrong daily. What did they get wrong in the Howland article?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The man allowed us to to get our doors blown off against Kansas in the Final Four for goodness sake! How much more embarrassing can it get as an institution?

See Ben Howland, Rick Pitino, Roy Williams, Bob Knight, etc. That's embarrassing for an institution. Getting your a$$ handed to you on national television sucks but it happens. People accept that.

[keefe]

So he embarrassed Marquette with something he did as the coach of Indiana? I'll take yelling at someone on national tv over being caught breaking the law with the young men he's supposed to be mentoring.

He treated Marquette employees like crap. In public. Humiliated them.

He gave his own son every award at his basketball camp. In front of all the other parents who paid for their kids to attend. In public.

He shoved a manager for no reason. In front of the entire team.

Things don't need to be in the press in order to be embarrassing for his employer.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He treated Marquette employees like crap. In public. Humiliated them.

He gave his own son every award at his basketball camp. In front of all the other parents who paid for their kids to attend. In public.

He shoved a manager for no reason. In front of the entire team.

Things don't need to be in the press in order to be embarrassing for his employer.

Again, will take all that over Howland's crap. Wouldn't think twice about it. Would I take Crean again? Absolutely not. But I'd take him before Howland.

If you have a moral objection to Crean, then you should have that for Howland as well.

[keefe]

Again, will take all that over Howland's crap. Wouldn't think twice about it. Would I take Crean again? Absolutely not. But I'd take him before Howland.

If you have a moral objection to Crean, then you should have that for Howland as well.

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I'll be honest. I did not read the SI article. So I have no idea if Howland has a moral deficiency. And since he never had anything to do with any aspect of my life I really don't care. The world is full of scum bags.

But I do know Crean does. My wife witnessed it first hand more than once. He once pushed a female employee whose effort displeased him. He did this in front of a group of people, including my wife. That was her last visit with Marquette Athletics until after after Crean slithered out of town. The guy is devoid of couth, honor, or dignity.