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Re: Noskowiak
« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2015, 04:40:41 PM »
It has been mentioned before but the step from casual pharma abuse to heroin abuse is shorter than we like to admit.

I'm 28. My generation was pretty open to experimenting with marijuana, but it sure seems that Gen-X and Boomers were too. It seems like psychedelics like LSD that were so popular in the 60s have faded out and opiates have faded in. Is it that my generation has a more cavalier attitude toward drugs than those past? Or is it just that the "tastes and preferences" have shifted toward a different class of drugs?

Availability. Heroin has seen a spike for two big reasons:

1. you don't just have to inject it anymore. Snortable is a big use lately. Pills. You name it.

2. Pain pills are a lot more common. When I was with Milwaukee co. you saw a lot of blue collar dudes that got hooked on oxy due to a prescription but the street cost was so high they had to get heroin to get their fix when teh well ran dry.
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Re: Noskowiak
« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2015, 06:24:15 PM »
I've been hearing from colleagues (including in Milwaukee) that they are seeing a pattern of heroin OD coming from many upper class suburban high schools around the midwest over the last couple of years.

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« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2015, 07:36:24 PM »
Availability. Heroin has seen a spike for two big reasons:

1. you don't just have to inject it anymore. Snortable is a big use lately. Pills. You name it.

2. Pain pills are a lot more common. When I was with Milwaukee co. you saw a lot of blue collar dudes that got hooked on oxy due to a prescription but the street cost was so high they had to get heroin to get their fix when teh well ran dry.

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« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2015, 07:43:02 PM »
They are mixing it with other things.    As I mentioned, around here they are mixing it with fentanyl.   
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« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2015, 09:54:52 PM »
They are mixing it with other things.    As I mentioned, around here they are mixing it with fentanyl.   

That has to give it quite a kick. Fentanyl makes morphine look like cough drops.
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« Reply #80 on: August 21, 2015, 11:01:06 PM »
a local anesthesiologist just died from fentanyl/heroin overdose.  he must have thought, i'm a professional, i know how use this stuff.  let's see, i'm 6 foot, weigh 195, add the 3, divide by 7, multiply by 2 and whooopsie doopsie
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« Reply #81 on: August 22, 2015, 06:51:34 AM »
That has to give it quite a kick. Fentanyl makes morphine look like cough drops.

The combination seems to be somewhat more dangerous.
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« Reply #82 on: August 22, 2015, 09:46:34 AM »

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« Reply #83 on: August 22, 2015, 10:03:34 AM »
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« Reply #84 on: August 22, 2015, 10:15:25 AM »

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« Reply #85 on: August 22, 2015, 11:05:56 AM »
I hope the young man finds some people who have his best interests at heart and then listens to them.    I hope he is able to pull it together. 
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« Reply #86 on: August 22, 2015, 11:32:16 AM »
Hope Nick gets some help and can turn things around!

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There have been two players in the last 24 hours -- Darius Paul and Nick Noskowiak -- who failed to understand the privileges they had. Sad.
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« Reply #87 on: August 22, 2015, 02:07:58 PM »
Everyone else is on their soapbox

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« Reply #88 on: August 22, 2015, 02:12:27 PM »
Unless you've watched somebody inject heroin you cannot speak to the harm it causes or its potential benefits.
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« Reply #89 on: August 22, 2015, 02:52:55 PM »
I've been hearing from colleagues (including in Milwaukee) that they are seeing a pattern of heroin OD coming from many upper class suburban high schools around the midwest over the last couple of years.

Can confirm. It's been crazy over the last year or so in he ED with Heroin OD's. Really sad. Some of them are kids that have really well paying jobs or are in school for future reputable jobs. Its different.
That said, very bummed for NN.

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« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2015, 09:58:36 PM »
maybe chris herren could help-this is a sad story with a happy ending...so far.  if you read and or watch this movie and don't shed a tear of happiness, well, it's a roller coaster of emotions

excellent book-basketball junkie
excellent movie-unguarded

and for some of those earlier comments diminishing alcohol-read this book.  alcohol was his gateway, but soon was not enough. when he couldn't get his drug(s) of choice, he would get hammered with alcohol.  as someone said in so many words earlier, alcohol is one of the nastiest drugs we have, but because it's legal, it's not so bad-just handle it broalcohol is the root cause of most of our problems-familial, crime, lost time at work, tragedy, it all starts here.  some move on to other drugs-pot, coke, heroin, meth, Rx drugs... some just continue to ruin their lives with alcohol.  it's affects are very non-discriminatory

i think if chris herron were asked, he would come running over hot coals with a gas can in each hand to help this young man-it's what addicts will do for each other...if asked

 http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2014/10/11/chris-herren-nba-drug-addiction


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« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2015, 09:13:09 AM »
Didn't see this posted, but here's the link to the report detailing NN's actions that led to the charges.  Pretty crazy story and he's lucky to be alive IMO

http://www.antigodailyjournal.com/index.php?ID=20476
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« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2015, 09:56:05 AM »
Didn't see this posted, but here's the link to the report detailing NN's actions that led to the charges.  Pretty crazy story and he's lucky to be alive IMO

http://www.antigodailyjournal.com/index.php?ID=20476

Thoughts and prayers for the Noskowiak family. It sounds like Nick is battling some very heavy demons.
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Re: Noskowiak
« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2015, 10:29:57 AM »
Everyone else is on their soapbox but I'm with you.

Agreed.

He wasn't born a drug addict.  He made conscious choices that got himself into this predicament.  And from reading his twitter feed, he doesn't seem like a "good kid who made a mistake."

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« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2015, 10:40:45 AM »
Agreed.

He wasn't born a drug addict.  He made conscious choices that got himself into this predicament.  And from reading his twitter feed, he doesn't seem like a "good kid who made a mistake."


That is a real antiquated way of looking at addiction.  And regardless, even if your line of thinking is 100% accurate, people still can't have empathy for people who get themselves into that situation?

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« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2015, 12:03:12 PM »
Agreed.

He wasn't born a drug addict.  He made conscious choices that got himself into this predicament.  And from reading his twitter feed, he doesn't seem like a "good kid who made a mistake."

There are actually biological and brain chemical and physiological problems where people can be more prone to addiction than others. There could very well be some chemical misfires for nick.

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« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2015, 01:03:29 PM »
The kid needs to get into a mental health facility.   I say this without malice or snark.   The actions described in the police blotter, in conjunction with prior hints, rumors, allegations, indicate a young man in an unhealthy spiral, due to either an internal chemical imbalance,  deep seeded psychological issues, or consumption of recreational pharmaceuticals.    Regardless, he needs to go somewhere, figure out the issues, and hit 'reset'.
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« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2015, 01:11:08 PM »
There are actually biological and brain chemical and physiological problems where people can be more prone to addiction than others. There could very well be some chemical misfires for nick.

Same can be said for other things, aiina?

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« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2015, 01:31:42 PM »
The kid needs to get into a mental health facility.   I say this without malice or snark.   The actions described in the police blotter, in conjunction with prior hints, rumors, allegations, indicate a young man in an unhealthy spiral, due to either an internal chemical imbalance,  deep seeded psychological issues, or consumption of recreational pharmaceuticals.    Regardless, he needs to go somewhere, figure out the issues, and hit 'reset'.

Agreed.  Have thought this since the charges were brought up.
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« Reply #99 on: August 25, 2015, 07:53:29 AM »
maybe chris herren could help-this is a sad story with a happy ending...so far.  if you read and or watch this movie and don't shed a tear of happiness, well, it's a roller coaster of emotions

excellent book-basketball junkie
excellent movie-unguarded

and for some of those earlier comments diminishing alcohol-read this book.  alcohol was his gateway, but soon was not enough. when he couldn't get his drug(s) of choice, he would get hammered with alcohol.  as someone said in so many words earlier, alcohol is one of the nastiest drugs we have, but because it's legal, it's not so bad-just handle it bro[/color]alcohol is the root cause of most of our problems-familial, crime, lost time at work, tragedy, it all starts here.  some move on to other drugs-pot, coke, heroin, meth, Rx drugs... some just continue to ruin their lives with alcohol.  it's affects are very non-discriminatory

i think if chris herron were asked, he would come running over hot coals with a gas can in each hand to help this young man-it's what addicts will do for each other...if asked

 http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2014/10/11/chris-herren-nba-drug-addiction

I disagree that "alcohol is the root cause of most of our problems".  Alcohol is most often the first drug of choice for those seeking to self medicate. However, it is not the reason why people choose to self medicate.  Once someone can stop using alcohol to self medicate, the underlying problems are still there.  In the parlance of addiction recovery; "Sobriety is not recovery".  The one case where alcohol is the primary problem would be someone without a desire to self medicate, but who had a predisposition to alcoholism dependence who became an alcoholic as a result of social drinking.
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