Luke Fischer

[CTWarrior]

Yeah I don't really get the whole drinking while sitting in a parked car thing. You're on a college campus, go to a party where it'll A) be way more fun, B) there's a much smaller chance of getting in trouble, and C) you'll probably be treated like a celebrity. These kids were almost asking to be caught.

I don't know, its a different world out there in college now.  Last semester my son attended a frat party and alcohol was served and some guests took pictures and put them on Facebook or whatever and the fraternity was put on probation.  Those parties probably aren't as safe from trouble for athletes as they used to be, since everybody is carrying a camera now and overshare everything.

[MU82]

If it led to a bunch of them also getting into a fight with fellow students \ non students...yes.  Which is what happened to Bert's boys...three times that we publicly know of.

Context is everything.

If this is true, it's too bad none of them had legally purchased guns on them. Because, mix guns with youth and booze and, well, nothing could ever go wrong!

[ATWizJr]

Well, if things went wrong it would be the fault of the guns, for sure!

[MU82]

Well, if things went wrong it would be the fault of the guns, for sure!

That's the spirit.

Having said that ...

I now realize I should have left that comment for the political board. I apologize, mea culpa and all that.

[NickelDimer]

count the basket and...automatic...automatic...

And 2?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yet you ignored the context in the IU case.  The one of the offenders is a repeat offender - you know, the guy whose was drunk driving when the other player jumped into it...or whatever you claimed earlier?

Not what I claimed, what the law enforcement investigators stated in their official report where no fault was found for the accident by that person.

[ChicosBailBonds]

If this is true, it's too bad none of them had legally purchased guns on them. Because, mix guns with youth and booze and, well, nothing could ever go wrong!

Yes, it's a good thing....especially with some of their judgment. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

The "brawl at the club" that started as "DJO broke a glass bottle over someone's head" by Badger fans (and maybe Chicos/Hoopaloop at that time, to make Bert look "squirmy"), only to have the video come out and finding out it was really some players being moved out of the club because other people were fighting?  I'm sure Chicos/Hoopaloop was all over that, when in reality all that ever came of it was a couple of players getting cited for being in a club underage (not even an underage drinking ticket).  But with the latest of the many IU incidents under Crean, it's just college kids being college kids.  Chicos calling a spade a spade, a'ina?

Sigh.  Yup, there you go again. Don't forget BMA, Brad Forester, etc, etc.

The video only captures part of it, 911 tapes as well.  Not sure who called it a brawl.  At any rate...

http://fox6now.com/2012/04/09/police-report-released-after-mu-basketball-incident-at-downtown-club/


At any rate, too much inside info from people I respect.  I'm glad his assistant was fired for breaking NCAA rules and lying about.  Glad people got to see Buzzard's reaction to it internally in the dept.  Some of the other crazy nonsense going on over the years.  He's in a better place that will allow that BS, and we are in a better place without him.

Just win baby is a terrible philosophy in college sports and one of the reasons why it has sullied it so much.  You can win without the nonsense, but enough people drink the kool aid when a few wins start piling up and they turn a blind eye.  No thanks. 

Now, who was it here that made this thread not about Luke Fischer? 

[GGGG]

Buzz wasn't a "just win baby" type of coach.  Not even close.  He was quirky, not well liked and made some recruiting mistakes, but he wasn't dirty from a recruiting or academic stand point.  Really you need to stop implying that's the case.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Buzz wasn't a "just win baby" type of coach.  Not even close.  He was quirky, not well liked and made some recruiting mistakes, but he wasn't dirty from a recruiting or academic stand point.  Really you need to stop implying that's the case.

Todd Mayo recruiting was questionable. Nobody else that I knew of was sketchy but Todds recruitment was not very honest from what I hear.

[GGGG]

Todd Mayo recruiting was questionable. Nobody else that I knew of was sketchy but Todds recruitment was not very honest from what I hear.

Should Todd have been here?  Probably not.  But I have not heard about any issues about his recruitment.

[wadesworld]

Buzz wasn't a "just win baby" type of coach.  Not even close.  He was quirky, not well liked and made some recruiting mistakes, but he wasn't dirty from a recruiting or academic stand point.  Really you need to stop implying that's the case.

But Sultan, he's got inside sources.  Way too much inside information on it, in fact.  He just can't share any of it.  But he'll just call up one of his B1G AD friends to confirm it for him.  And...yup...confirmed.

[wadesworld]

Sigh.  Yup, there you go again. Don't forget BMA, Brad Forester, etc, etc.

The video only captures part of it, 911 tapes as well.  Not sure who called it a brawl.  At any rate...

http://fox6now.com/2012/04/09/police-report-released-after-mu-basketball-incident-at-downtown-club/


At any rate, too much inside info from people I respect.  I'm glad his assistant was fired for breaking NCAA rules and lying about.  Glad people got to see Buzzard's reaction to it internally in the dept.  Some of the other crazy nonsense going on over the years.  He's in a better place that will allow that BS, and we are in a better place without him.

Just win baby is a terrible philosophy in college sports and one of the reasons why it has sullied it so much.  You can win without the nonsense, but enough people drink the kool aid when a few wins start piling up and they turn a blind eye.  No thanks. 

Now, who was it here that made this thread not about Luke Fischer? 

As if you haven't embarrassed yourself enough, you go and site Fox 6 News.  Wow.

So you'll take police reports for the Bible...as long as they make Tom Crean look like a saint (although, in reality, both people involved there were Tommy's kids so...), but if the police report (and the video) says that the only thing the 6 players were at fault for was being inside of a club (not drinking, just being physically inside the club) then it's wrong, and in fact Bert probably somehow is behind it all.  In fact, the players probably murdered a few guys inside that club but Bert got it all covered up.  You have way, way too much inside information on this topic, Chicos.  You can't tell us what the real story is, but it's not what the police, thanks to Bert, want you to think.

You really are something, Chicos.

[Jay Bee]

Not what I claimed, what the law enforcement investigators stated in their official report where no fault was found for the accident by that person.

lol, look again

[MU82]

As if you haven't embarrassed yourself enough, you go and site Fox 6 News.  Wow.

So you'll take police reports for the Bible...as long as they make Tom Crean look like a saint (although, in reality, both people involved there were Tommy's kids so...), but if the police report (and the video) says that the only thing the 6 players were at fault for was being inside of a club (not drinking, just being physically inside the club) then it's wrong, and in fact Bert probably somehow is behind it all.  In fact, the players probably murdered a few guys inside that club but Bert got it all covered up.  You have way, way too much inside information on this topic, Chicos.  You can't tell us what the real story is, but it's not what the police, thanks to Bert, want you to think.

You really are something, Chicos.

Aw, give him a break. He can't help who and what he is.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Buzz wasn't a "just win baby" type of coach.  Not even close.  He was quirky, not well liked and made some recruiting mistakes, but he wasn't dirty from a recruiting or academic stand point.  Really you need to stop implying that's the case.

LW is on line one....

[brewcity77]

Buzz wasn't a "just win baby" type of coach.  Not even close.  He was quirky, not well liked and made some recruiting mistakes, but he wasn't dirty from a recruiting or academic stand point.  Really you need to stop implying that's the case.

If Buzz was involved in dirty recruiting, he was doing it very, very wrong. He missed out on all the "dirty recruiting" worthy kids and if he was making special arrangements to get a lightly-recruited 3-star in Todd Mayo to a high-major program in the best basketball conference in the country (at the time), all I can ask is "why?".

[dgies9156]

The Hillbilly is gone and he ain't coming back. So can we all agree to the following:

  1) We had a good time when things were good.

  2) We're proud of Jae, JB, Wes, DJO and the rest of the guys who played for Marquette during the Hillbilly's time and have made it to the NBA. Impressive record.

  3) We had a bad divorce with the Hillbilly and he took everything of value in the house.

  4) We've moved on to a new "pretty girl" who brought in recruits this year the Hillbilly could only dream of. We've got a great team, a great coach and great potential.

Let's treat the Hillbilly like a bad ex-spouse. All we want to do is be National Champion with Coach Wojo and make the Hillbilly rot in his Hokie tomb down in West Nowhereville, Virginia.

So can we just ignore him, like the rest of college basketball is about to?

[keefe]

So can we just ignore him, like the rest of college basketball is about to?

Why? The Bert Mobile has a lot of miles on her but she's good for another 100k

[Galway Eagle]

The Hillbilly is gone and he ain't coming back. So can we all agree to the following:

  1) We had a good time when things were good.

  2) We're proud of Jae, JB, Wes, DJO and the rest of the guys who played for Marquette during the Hillbilly's time and have made it to the NBA. Impressive record.

  3) We had a bad divorce with the Hillbilly and he took everything of value in the house.

  4) We've moved on to a new "pretty girl" who brought in recruits this year the Hillbilly could only dream of. We've got a great team, a great coach and great potential.

Let's treat the Hillbilly like a bad ex-spouse. All we want to do is be National Champion with Coach Wojo and make the Hillbilly rot in his Hokie tomb down in West Nowhereville, Virginia.

So can we just ignore him, like the rest of college basketball is about to?

I agree with this overall but outside of Henry what recruit could buzz have only dreamed of? Let's not forget that Buzz brought in two top ten classes and plenty of those were top100s ranked higher than Haanif or the others wojo has brought in. Not saying that Buzz went after great character or that they all panned out but top 100 that Buzz brought were 

#31 J Wilson, #76 Cadougan, #79 Maymon, #95 Williams.

#31 Blue, #53 Jones.

#84 Taylor.

#27 JJJ, #34 Fisher, #39 Burton, #53 D Wilson

#83 Cohen (#54 Hill)

(#78 Noskowiak)

and I believe Harris was a top 100 before the suspension. 

#85 Haanif and #84 Houser are great adds but outside of #5 Henry who has Wojo brought in that Buzz couldn't touch?

[Jay Bee]

Haanif and Houser are great adds but outside of Henry who has Wojo brought in that Buzz couldn't touch?

Who is this Houser you speak of?

(also, lol at Harris)

[Loose Cannon]

Haanif and Houser are great adds but outside of Henry who has Wojo brought in that Buzz couldn't touch?

  You may want to keep your eyes on Traci and Sacar and their contributions this year and the following years.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

As if you haven't embarrassed yourself enough, you go and site Fox 6 News.  Wow.

Tired of people parroting this "Talking Point"  Ask Cheryl Atkinson why she left MSM. Or read her book and see where the "news" is really distorted and you won't sound like a kool aid drinker

[wadesworld]

Tired of people parroting this "Talking Point"  Ask Cheryl Atkinson why she left MSM. Or read her book and see where the "news" is really distorted and you won't sound like a kool aid drinker

I don't get into politics at all and I'll be the first to admit that. But I do know Fox 6 News is a complete joke.

[Galway Eagle]

  You may want to keep your eyes on Traci and Sacar and their contributions this year and the following years.

I agree they were highly underrated players and that Wojo made the right call but it's not like they were somehow players Buzz couldn't touch buzz brought in his fair share of underrated guys too. (Buycks, DJO, Jimmy, Jae)