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Quote from: mu03eng on July 16, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
ESPN is doing some major clean-up within it's controversial people department:
-Colin Cowheard
-Bill Simmons
-Keith Olbermann
-Jason Whitlock

If I'm Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless I would be a little terrified

Cutting an awful lot of high-priced guys.

mu-rara

I don't watch sports talking heads.  It's the content.  It's the content.


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Quote from: mu-rara on July 16, 2015, 03:31:27 PM
I don't watch sports talking heads.  It's the content.  It's the content.

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I've heard of most of those guys (mostly though scoop), but haven't watched more than a couple minutes of them on TV...combined.

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Quote from: Marquette_g on July 16, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
Grantland good, Olbermann had his moments.

The remaining group of Cowherd, Whitlock, Smith and Bayless are all awful.

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Quote from: mu03eng on July 16, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
ESPN is doing some major clean-up within it's controversial people department:
-Colin Cowheard
-Bill Simmons
-Keith Olbermann
-Jason Whitlock

If I'm Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless I would be a little terrified

The Deadspin guys had a interesting talk about this on their podcast last week (Deadcast, a good listen).  They opined these 4 guys, yes all very expensive, but they stirred the wrong kind of pots that got ESPN brass upset.  They stirred pots that upset commissioners, coaches, players, but also their fellow ESPN colleagues, which the flagship despises. 

While other gutter trash like Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Chris Bouseard...usually stepped out of line with disparaging remarks about women, gays, or knocks about sports that are not as popular, thus are easier to deal with.

martyconlonontherun

Quote from: mu-rara on July 16, 2015, 03:31:27 PM
I don't watch sports talking heads.  It's the content.  It's the content.

1. Simmons was responsible for 30 for 30 and Grantland. He brought most of the quality content the last few years that wasn't a live game.

2. It's not just who is leaving but who they keep. They are keeping SAS, Broussard and Bayless, which means more content of that kind of trashy sports show. They aren't going start playing playing games at 4 PM or 9 AM, so there are gaps in live-sport content that needs to be filled. Would much rather fill it with shows I don't hate myself for watching.

GGGG

Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on July 18, 2015, 03:24:26 PM
Deadspin > Grantland


They are completely different types of sites.  Deadspin is an aggregator that is oftentimes amusing, but has a few individual works that are OK.

Grantland is more of an in-depth site whose sports reporting is more long-form and in depth on aspects of sport that you don't get from many other places. 

Both are good sites IMO, but they aren't really comparable. 

PuertoRicanNightmare

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 20, 2015, 11:46:26 AM

They are completely different types of sites.  Deadspin is an aggregator that is oftentimes amusing, but has a few individual works that are OK.

Grantland is more of an in-depth site whose sports reporting is more long-form and in depth on aspects of sport that you don't get from many other places. 

Both are good sites IMO, but they aren't really comparable.

Thanks for the explanation. What would this message board do without you?

GGGG

Well now Cowherd has been dumped by ESPN early due to dumb comments about Dominican baseball players.  Fox picks another winner.

Logi4three

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 24, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
Well now Cowherd has been dumped by ESPN early due to dumb comments about Dominican baseball players.  Fox picks another winner.

I assume that a firing for cause relieves them from having to pay any severance that they owed Cowherd.  If so, what a dumb @$$ he was/is.


ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: reinko on July 20, 2015, 05:57:24 AM
The Deadspin guys had a interesting talk about this on their podcast last week (Deadcast, a good listen).  They opined these 4 guys, yes all very expensive, but they stirred the wrong kind of pots that got ESPN brass upset.  They stirred pots that upset commissioners, coaches, players, but also their fellow ESPN colleagues, which the flagship despises. 

While other gutter trash like Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Chris Bouseard...usually stepped out of line with disparaging remarks about women, gays, or knocks about sports that are not as popular, thus are easier to deal with.

Cowherd was offered $5M to stay at ESPN.    He left for $6M at Fox.  Olbermann has been fired at almost every job he's been at, it is in his nature to be a complete dick.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 24, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
Well now Cowherd has been dumped by ESPN early due to dumb comments about Dominican baseball players.  Fox picks another winner.

He gets ratings, enough that ESPN offered him $5M per year to stay.  He'll get ratings at Fox, that is why they are hiring him.  He's one of those guys you love or hate, but many listen because they love or hate him.

GGGG

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 25, 2015, 01:01:41 AM
He gets ratings, enough that ESPN offered him $5M per year to stay.  He'll get ratings at Fox, that is why they are hiring him.  He's one of those guys you love or hate, but many listen because they love or hate him.

I don't know why you feel the need to explain this to me. I know he gets ratings. I find it embarrassing that he does.

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Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 25, 2015, 06:13:45 AM
I don't know why you feel the need to explain this to me. I know he gets ratings. I find it embarrassing that he does.

I feel the same away about Olbermann

Golden Avalanche

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Quote from: Logi4three on July 25, 2015, 12:05:25 AM
I assume that a firing for cause relieves them from having to pay any severance that they owed Cowherd.  If so, what a dumb @$$ he was/is.

To be clear, Cowherd wasn't fired by ESPN. He had a last work day as of July 31 since his contract has run to its end but in light of his comments on DR baseball players they moved it up a week to July 24th.

It also works out very well for ESPN because now they can "look good" whereas if this was said when Cowherd was under contract nothing would happen because all they need are ratings numbers. They don't work in the business of morality tales.

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