Official Transfer Thread

[MarquetteDano]

Transferring is completely out of control.  The way it is going, there are going to be programs that take Iowa State one step further and don't even bother to recruit freshmen.  Just constantly have a team of upperclassmen transfers.

It is too much, IMO.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Transferring is completely out of control.  The way it is going, there are going to be programs that take Iowa State one step further and don't even bother to recruit freshmen.  Just constantly have a team of upperclassmen transfers.

It is too much, IMO.

And some people on this board want it so you don't even have to sit out a year. Imagine how out of control it would be in that situation....complete chaos.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Transferring is completely out of control.  The way it is going, there are going to be programs that take Iowa State one step further and don't even bother to recruit freshmen.  Just constantly have a team of upperclassmen transfers.

It is too much, IMO.

I don't know. These are kids we are talking about. 98% of them will never play in the NBA and very few professionally. If they want to transfer, so be it.

I think it'd be pretty cool to see a team focus on transfers, much like ISU.

[eg021]

Any word on if Lamonte Bearden is looking to transfer from Buffalo now that Bobby Hurley left. Had a solid freshman year and would be a nice get for Marquette.

[MarquetteDano]

I don't know. These are kids we are talking about. 98% of them will never play in the NBA and very few professionally. If they want to transfer, so be it.

I think it'd be pretty cool to see a team focus on transfers, much like ISU.

If my math is correct, for every four transfers that sit out a year that is a complete four year scholarship taken away from another kid.  And that doesn't even include mid year transfers who take even more away.

[4everwarriors]

Any word on if Lamonte Bearden is looking to transfer from Buffalo now that Bobby Hurley left. Had a solid freshman year and would be a nice get for Marquette.

Seriously doubt Bearden is Steve's kinda playa, hey?

[MU82]

I wonder what the penalty is for a cello player or school newspaper editor or engineering whiz on full scholarship who wants to transfer to another school and receive a full scholarship.

Actually, I don't wonder. I know what it is: The same penalty a basketball or football coach faces for leaving a seven-figure job at one school for a seven-figure job at another school.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I wonder what the penalty is for a cello player or school newspaper editor or engineering whiz on full scholarship who wants to transfer to another school and receive a full scholarship.

Actually, I don't wonder. I know what it is: The same penalty a basketball or football coach faces for leaving a seven-figure job at one school for a seven-figure job at another school.

I wonder what league titles the cello player is going for each year?  I wonder how many cello players are even on a full scholarship in the USA combined?  I wonder what kind of revenues are brought in by the cello player that are used to pay for his/her scholarship and that of other studen athletes of the university?  I wonder where the cello message board is where we discuss such things?


I wonder if cello players are leaving school because they aren't getting the minutes to play.

I wonder......

[MarquetteDano]

I wonder what the penalty is for a cello player or school newspaper editor or engineering whiz on full scholarship who wants to transfer to another school and receive a full scholarship.

Do you really think the transfer rate for those on non-athletic full scholarships is ANYWHERE remotely close to the transfer rate to the student body as a whole let alone compared to basketball players on scholarship?


And speaking of scholarships, due to my father's injuries in Vietnam, I was on a partial DAV scholarship at Marquette.  Did you know that if I transferred I had to reapply which probably meant a semester without a scholarship?  Oh the humanity that I could not transfer easily!  Those scumbag taxpayers!

[oshkoshbgosh]

Taxpayers had nothing to do with your DAV scholarship. The Disabled American Veterans is a private organization relying on fund raisers, corporate sponsorships and donations, much like the VFW, American Legion, USO and Wounded Warriors. I salute your father for his service and sacrifice.

[MarquetteDano]

Taxpayers had nothing to do with your DAV scholarship. The Disabled American Veterans is a private organization relying on fund raisers, corporate sponsorships and donations, much like the VFW, American Legion, USO and Wounded Warriors. I salute your father for his service and sacrifice.

Good point.  What is confusing about it is that you have to submit tax related documents to them so it seems like a government entity.  But you are right, privately funded.

So I can blame them for my inability to transfer.

[MU82]

Do you really think the transfer rate for those on non-athletic full scholarships is ANYWHERE remotely close to the transfer rate to the student body as a whole let alone compared to basketball players on scholarship?

Nope. I'm just one of those "stoopids" who thinks student-athletes should have at least the same transfer rights as coaches.

[MarquetteDano]

Nope. I'm just one of those "stoopids" who thinks student-athletes should have at least the same transfer rights as coaches.

I don't disagree that coaches have all of the advantages and certainly can screw over the student athlete.  But I also don't want the complete anarchy that would ensue if you allowed student athletes to transfer anywhere and everywhere they want.  I think it is out of control now with the current limitations.

[MU82]

I don't disagree that coaches have all of the advantages and certainly can screw over the student athlete.  But I also don't want the complete anarchy that would ensue if you allowed student athletes to transfer anywhere and everywhere they want.  I think it is out of control now with the current limitations.

We will have to agree to disagree on the anarchy part. After maybe an initial crazy year or two, things would settle down once all sides get used to new rules.

Mostly, the subject is merely an excuse to have these kinds of fun online conversations because immediate-eligibility transfers won't be happening anytime soon, if ever.

[ChicosBailBonds]

We will have to agree to disagree on the anarchy part. After maybe an initial crazy year or two, things would settle down once all sides get used to new rules.

Mostly, the subject is merely an excuse to have these kinds of fun online conversations because immediate-eligibility transfers won't be happening anytime soon, if ever.

Honest question, why would it settle down?  If you are free to move whenever, what is going to slow that down in a few years?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

We will have to agree to disagree on the anarchy part. After maybe an initial crazy year or two, things would settle down once all sides get used to new rules.

Mostly, the subject is merely an excuse to have these kinds of fun online conversations because immediate-eligibility transfers won't be happening anytime soon, if ever.

There would be anarchy -- not so much at the top, but in the middle to bottom schools.  Good-by Lehigh and hello Rodney Hood (imagine if he didnt have to sit out) to put it in Duke terms.  Can you imagine having your pick of the best players every year and not have to worry about them being a freshman?

I'm all for contingencies (i.e. Special circumstance consideration when the university goes on probation or a coach leaves) but free agency would make college a worse product and likely result in less competition and less revenue overall.

[Pakuni]

There would be anarchy -- not so much at the top, but in the middle to bottom schools.  Good-by Lehigh and hello Rodney Hood (imagine if he didnt have to sit out) to put it in Duke terms.  Can you imagine having your pick of the best players every year and not have to worry about them being a freshman?

I'm all for contingencies (i.e. Special circumstance consideration when the university goes on probation or a coach leaves) but free agency would make college a worse product and likely result in less competition and less revenue overall.

I think there has to be a middle ground here, and this is it. If a coach leaves/is fired or circumstances change significantly at a school (probation, conference status), a player should be free to transfer without penalty.
If a kid just wants to get more PT, or be closer to home, or just doesn't like his first choice, then he can sit out a year.

[CTWarrior]

Honest question, why would it settle down?  If you are free to move whenever, what is going to slow that down in a few years?

I have to agree with this.  Without the year off, any kid who had a great year for a lower level school would look to move to a major program.  I don't think it would ever settle down.  You can argue whether or not that is a bad thing, but I think it would be constant.

[bilsu]

I think there has to be a middle ground here, and this is it. If a coach leaves/is fired or circumstances change significantly at a school (probation, conference status), a player should be free to transfer without penalty.
If a kid just wants to get more PT, or be closer to home, or just doesn't like his first choice, then he can sit out a year.

I agree with this as long as he does not follow the coach.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Playing sports and receiving a scholarship are a privilege, not a right.  Certain rules go along with that privilege.  I have no problem with a rule requiring athletes to sit for a year.  "But the coaches..." Yeah well, life's not fair.

I would be in favor of stipends for athletes based on revenue generated by their sport.  Lightly televised sports (cross country, lacrosse, etc) get less than football and basketball players who are on TV more.  Their would need to be a lot of math done to arrive at what each figure would be, so I don't have a particular number in mind.

It might also be time update Title IX.  Keep the equal access to scholarships but add some addendums to work around any issues stipend inequality may cause.  Women basketball would make less than male basketball players but more than, say, track and field for both men and women.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I have to agree with this.  Without the year off, any kid who had a great year for a lower level school would look to move to a major program.  I don't think it would ever settle down.  You can argue whether or not that is a bad thing, but I think it would be constant.

Of course, only common sense.  Players would trade up as much as possible.  Not only that, the practice of Creaning \ buzz cutting would be even worse than it is now. 

It's just a horrible idea.  I get the notion, it makes people "feel good" because it sounds fair, but the unintended consequences are so damaging that is nullifies the idea completely. Izzo is dead on right.

[Jay Bee]

Fellow Benilde St. Margaret's Red Knight alumnus Kyle Washington is transferring from NC State. 6'9", long talented F would sit a year then have two to play. Versatile offensive game not yet fully revealed to the college bball world. His shotblocking and d-rebound has, though.

He liked Marquette when his recruitment was in full swing.. would be a great add to the family.

[Pakuni]

 Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 

Immediate Big Man Transfer Alert: Tomasz Gielo is graduating and leaving Liberty, source told ESPN. 6-9 and averaged 12 and 6 last year.

[LAZER]

Fellow Benilde St. Margaret's Red Knight alumnus Kyle Washington is transferring from NC State. 6'9", long talented F would sit a year then have two to play. Versatile offensive game not yet fully revealed to the college bball world. His shotblocking and d-rebound has, though.

He liked Marquette when his recruitment was in full swing.. would be a great add to the family.

I wouldn't mind seeing Wojo deepening his Minneapolis connections.

[MU82]

I have to agree with this.  Without the year off, any kid who had a great year for a lower level school would look to move to a major program.  I don't think it would ever settle down.  You can argue whether or not that is a bad thing, but I think it would be constant.

I might be wrong. Wouldn't even be my first time wrong today, especially if you asked my wife.

It still wouldn't bother me in the least as a college basketball fan if the kids had the same rights as their millionaire coaches do.