Article about Ellenson being overrated covering U17 in Dubai

[mattyv1908]

http://www.nbadraft.net/10-things-we-learned-u17-world-championships-dubai

Still think he's a great get, but by the looks of it Stone is the better prospect both next season and in the NBA.

[rocky_warrior]

A bird in the hand....

[mattyv1908]

A bird in the hand....

I don't disagree and why I said he was a great get, but I'll wait until he plays a few games in the grueling, physical Big East to see if he can live up to the hype.

[MilWarrior]

What is the point of being so negative towards the future just because this year has been so crappy? If you are a real MU fan - what is your motivation in starting this thread? Seriously.

[WarriorHal]

"Ellenson lacks elite level athleticism to be rated so high and struggles to make plays when he doesn't have momentum."


Is that code for, he's a big white guy? That's what it sorta sounds like.

[Tugg Speedman]

http://www.nbadraft.net/10-things-we-learned-u17-world-championships-dubai

Still think he's a great get, but by the looks of it Stone is the better prospect both next season and in the NBA.

Sigh,

Do I need to go back and find the stories from last summer that called Stone an over-rated slob?  The same stories that said Calipari cooled on him.

Those stories were wrong and these are too. 

Oh, and last summer the same stories dissing Stone said Ivan Rabb is the real deal.

[Herman Cain]

http://www.nbadraft.net/10-things-we-learned-u17-world-championships-dubai

Still think he's a great get, but by the looks of it Stone is the better prospect both next season and in the NBA.

I watched all  the U-17 games. I thought Ellenson did fine given that this is an all star team event. The coach of the team did his best to parcel out the time. The competition was not that solid. The inter squad games were probably better than the event.

The AAU circuit matters much more in my opinion.  

[wadesworld]

This 6 month old article also says Jahlil Okafor has less long term potential than DeAndre Ayton, Harry Giles, and Ben Simmons, so I'm just fine if this guy thinks King Henry isn't any good.

[mattyv1908]

What is the point of being so negative towards the future just because this year has been so crappy? If you are a real MU fan - what is your motivation in starting this thread? Seriously.

Should only glowing reviews be discussed here?

Did you conveniently not read the first six words of my post which began 'Still think he's a great get'?

[ChicosBailBonds]

He might be overrated, or might not.  Time will tell.

If he ends up not being Miss California and ends up being Miss Arkansas, I'm still going to have a good time.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What is the point of being so negative towards the future just because this year has been so crappy? If you are a real MU fan - what is your motivation in starting this thread? Seriously.

Its an article about one of our future players. Its a legitimate topic of discussion. I am worried that fans have too high of expectations for HE Man. I think he's gonna be great, but not the game changer from day 1 everyone seems to assume he will be.

[tower912]

This one guy writing this one article wasn't impressed with HEllenson.    Meh.   I'd rather have him than be ticked we didn't have him.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Its an article about one of our future players. Its a legitimate topic of discussion. I am worried that fans have too high of expectations for HE Man. I think he's gonna be great, but not the game changer from day 1 everyone seems to assume he will be.

This is also true, but it is what it is.  same warning I gave about Luke, but some wanted to make him Wilt Chamberlain.  Not much one can do about those fans.

[mattyv1908]

Its an article about one of our future players. Its a legitimate topic of discussion. I am worried that fans have too high of expectations for HE Man. I think he's gonna be great, but not the game changer from day 1 everyone seems to assume he will be.

Thanks TAMU.

I wasn't trying to be negative, just found the article interesting given the assumptions by many who frequent scoop.

[79Warrior]

He might be overrated, or might not.  Time will tell.

If he ends up not being Miss California and ends up being Miss Arkansas, I'm still going to have a good time.

Expectations are certainly way high for the future freshman. I think he will be fine, but there will be growing pains.

[MilWarrior]

Should only glowing reviews be discussed here?

Did you conveniently not read the first six words of my post which began 'Still think he's a great get'?

I'm just fucking sick of people piling onto a bad season. I've been a part of this board almost since its inception. Never has there been a time where people are so willing to tear down any shread of hope that we have for the future. I apologize for singling you out as you are far from the worst offender. But the negativity here needs to stop. Henry is our best recruit in a long time - maybe the best in the past 10+ years. Just because Diamond Stone isn't coming here shouldn't be a reason to sully that.

[OhioGoldenEagle]

Interesting question for the locals would be what would we rather have:

1.  Henry lives up to the hype.  Big East freshman of the year and returns MU to the dance on his way to entry into the '16 NBA draft.

2.  Like most freshman, the leap to D1 is a bit much for Henry.  He is not a major contributor right out the gate and needs years of solid coaching and weight training to be really productive in the Big East.  Isn't dynamic but a solid contributor for 4 years and goes undrafted after graduation.

[rocky_warrior]

I'm just unnatural carnal knowledgeing sick of people piling onto a bad season. I've been a part of this board almost since its inception. Never has there been a time where people are so willing to tear down any shread of hope that we have for the future. I apologize for singling you out as you are far from the worst offender. But the negativity here needs to stop. Henry is our best recruit in a long time - maybe the best in the past 10+ years. Just because Diamond Stone isn't coming here shouldn't be a reason to sully that.

Generally I agree.  crap on Wojo.  crap on Players.  crap on Recruits.  Bad seasons cause bad message boards.  I wish they didn't...but if we were winning this season, the post would have been glossed over with what seed we should expect in the tourney.

[mattyv1908]

I'm just unnatural carnal knowledgeing sick of people piling onto a bad season. I've been a part of this board almost since its inception. Never has there been a time where people are so willing to tear down any shread of hope that we have for the future. I apologize for singling you out as you are far from the worst offender. But the negativity here needs to stop. Henry is our best recruit in a long time - maybe the best in the past 10+ years. Just because Diamond Stone isn't coming here shouldn't be a reason to sully that.

Henry Ellenson has nothing to do with this year's team.

I live in the Seattle metro area, have never seen the kid play in person and don't view youtube highlight reel video's as terribly credible so I'm left with other opinions of our recruits.  There's nothing negative about this post.

Grow some thicker skin or don't read the article.

I personally don't prefer overhyping one highly rated recruit before we see what they can do playing against top shelf, well coached, Big East style opponents as it tends to set folks up for disappointment.

[Groin_pull]

Now we're going to piss on the best damn recruit MU has seen in years? Unreal. Let's all lust for Stone now. 

[MuMark]

https://twitter.com/tomhansensports/status/569296159207923712

[forgetful]

Interesting question for the locals would be what would we rather have:

1.  Henry lives up to the hype.  Big East freshman of the year and returns MU to the dance on his way to entry into the '16 NBA draft.

2.  Like most freshman, the leap to D1 is a bit much for Henry.  He is not a major contributor right out the gate and needs years of solid coaching and weight training to be really productive in the Big East.  Isn't dynamic but a solid contributor for 4 years and goes undrafted after graduation.

Why can't we have a third option.  Like most freshman, the leap to D1 is a bit much for Henry.  He is a contributor but not star his first year.  In years 2 and 3 he is a breakout star leading MU back into the top 10 nationally.  He goes drafted in the lottery after his junior year, where he was a NPOY candidate.

[GoldenZebra]

One guy writes an article about a recruit being overrated and people lose their minds. What are rankings based on other than opinions?

[mattyv1908]

One guy writes an article about a recruit being overrated and people lose their minds. What are rankings based on other than opinions?

I'm just looking forward to when he's actually in uniform thus making his ranking 'worthless' so we can actually evaluate his strengths and weaknesses.

[We R Final Four]

Kinda like JJJ, Ai na?

I think he was mentioned as a top 35 pick in at least one thread today.