[MattVelazquezSays]Matt Carlino upset by 'dirty play' that resulted in injury

[jsglow]

I too thought it to be a basketball play with no ill intent on Archi's part.  That was one helluva tumble.  Glad Matt's okay leaving out the discussion of whether he should have reentered the game.

[LAMUfan]

The stare is what looks like a concussion, he did have a bloody nose so if he landed on his face it's actually better in terms of avoiding concussions (jaw and back of head being worse)  That being said, the game was out of hand, I would of not let him come back in.  I was way more worried about a spinal cord injury, that was ugly stuff. 

[GGGG]

Seriously, I think Marquette's training staff knows better than "random fan watching the television" whether or not he was "clearly concussed."  Just because someone is dazed after hitting their head, that doesn't mean they have a concussion.  Also, someone can look just fine immediately after hitting their head and come down with concussion symptoms later.

[LAMUfan]

Right, for sure, that's why because the game was out of hand I probably just would of ended his night.  But who know what he was saying/ looked like.  I do like many MU fans have some training on this.  Not faulting the staff, I am just being overly cautious.  Carlino was air balling threes after that anyway   Glad he's ok.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Seriously, I think Marquette's training staff knows better than "random fan watching the television" whether or not he was "clearly concussed."  Just because someone is dazed after hitting their head, that doesn't mean they have a concussion.  Also, someone can look just fine immediately after hitting their head and come down with concussion symptoms later.

I heard that MU isn't going to fly their medical staff with the team any longer. They will just watch the game on TV and evaluate players from there.

Also, playing time is going to be determined by american idol style voting, seen as Wojo is going such a poor job.

[bilsu]

I do not know if he had a concussion, but he aired balled two three point attempts after he came back in.

It occurred to me after it happen that you can be thrown out of a game, if you hit a player above the shoulders. I think this kind of play is much more dangerous than a random elbow. I am not sure what you do about it, but maybe it should be looked at. There was another play were Archdiancano faked somebody on a three point shot and then jumped into him and was awarded three free throws. This is a common thing he does. I would not prevent that, but maybe there should be a rule if you undercut a player that has left his feet and falls on his head. You can argue it was not intentional, but most elbows to the head are not intentional.

[Dawson Rental]

I do not know if he had a concussion, but he aired balled two three point attempts after he came back in.

It occurred to me after it happen that you can be thrown out of a game, if you hit a player above the shoulders. I think this kind of play is much more dangerous than a random elbow. I am not sure what you do about it, but maybe it should be looked at. There was another play were Archdiancano faked somebody on a three point shot and then jumped into him and was awarded three free throws. This is a common thing he does. I would not prevent that, but maybe there should be a rule if you undercut a player that has left his feet and falls on his head. You can argue it was not intentional, but most elbows to the head are not intentional.

I do believe that there was no intent on Archdiancano's part to injure, and I think that you provide a fair description of the play.  I like your point comparing it to the rules concerning elbows.  To my eyes, Carlino was up in the air when Archdiancano sprung up from a crouched position (probably to be in the act of shooting when fouled) which resulted in Carlino being flipped over almost 180 degrees, so that he was headed to the floor head first.  It was a very scary fall, I fully understand Carlino being touchy about it.

[PVMagic]

Pretty hard/impossible to diagnose a concussion based on a still from a video clip.  I'd trust the training staff's assessment of his mental status immediately after the event occurred.  He can be cleared of a cervical spine injury clinically on the bench (without further imaging).

[MerrittsMustache]

Seriously, I think Marquette's training staff knows better than "random fan watching the television" whether or not he was "clearly concussed."  Just because someone is dazed after hitting their head, that doesn't mean they have a concussion.  Also, someone can look just fine immediately after hitting their head and come down with concussion symptoms later.

Like you said, someone can look just fine immediately after hitting their head and come down with concussion symptoms later. Someone can also be completely dazed (like Carlino was) but be well enough to pass the concussion protocol a few minutes later. I firmly believe that he was clearly concussed. Disagree if you will. We're all entitled to our opinions.

[MU82]

We were down by 1,000 points. Really, there was no reason for him to come back in.

I'm not jumping to concussion conclusions, just using common sense. A perfect opportunity to play the younger guys.

And I say this as a Wojo fan who rarely criticizes his rotation.

[We R Final Four]

He was either concussed or he was not concussed.  We must defer to the training staff---they know more than you or me. They said he was not concussed and is OK to play. Therefore, he plays. There is no middle ground.

Therefore, if he was NOT concussed as determined by professionals in this area, not the random fan, there is no reason for Matt not to play regardless of the score of the game. He was cleared to play.

[Golden Avalanche]

There is literally one person on the thread that stated it as fact.  The other simply said there was no reason to put him back in the game, which everyone should be able to agree with.  Shut the guy down for a half of a blowout.

There was more than one who stated opinion as fact. Three days ago that was misguided. Now, it is totally appropriate to state it as fact.

[MerrittsMustache]

Seriously, I think Marquette's training staff knows better than "random fan watching the television" whether or not he was "clearly concussed."  Just because someone is dazed after hitting their head, that doesn't mean they have a concussion.  Also, someone can look just fine immediately after hitting their head and come down with concussion symptoms later.

Apparently they should have listened to the "random fan watching the television." 

In all seriousness, I wish Matt a full and speedy recovery.

[We R Final Four]

Seriously, Matt was concussed when he fell from 8' onto his head and didn't know where he was for 30 seconds?????

Ill defer to the MU training staff, just a random fan here.

[Class71]

Apparently the MU training staff needs a refresher on concussions. These are serious events where safety should come first. When in doubt the player sits. We should not be gambling with the health of our players period.

[jesmu84]

Apparently the MU training staff needs a refresher on concussions. These are serious events where safety should come first. When in doubt the player sits. We should not be gambling with the health of our players period.

Well, it's tough to say. He could have passed all appropriate concussion protocol testing. You can be dazed or whatever and not have a concussion. You can also show signs (that fail testing) later on. Concussions are dicey. In this (and only this) situation, I would have sat him as preventative due to the game situation.

[We R Final Four]

Is there a concussion protocol?  Not saying MU doesnt have one or it wasnt implemented, but the extensive sideline testing seemed to include:

Staff-- "U OK?"

Matt: "Yeah, I'm fine".

2 min later MC was back in the game shooting an airball.

[D'Lo Brown]

Is there a concussion protocol?  Not saying MU doesnt have one or it wasnt implemented, but the extensive sideline testing seemed to include:

Staff-- "U OK?"

Matt: "Yeah, I'm fine".

2 min later MC was back in the game shooting an airball.

I coach youth football and have a concerned citizen's understand of concussion testing in sports. It's my understanding that to do the full battery of recommended sideline tests (in football) it would take longer than a minute or two. At the same time it seems that there is a judgment call being made as to whether the full battery is really necessary if the player "seems" perfectly fine.

Also, as to the wishy-washy nature of concussion detection / diagnosis. This is one of the most difficult diagnoses even for a neurologist to make, let alone an athletic trainer to make. I'm not saying that they are unqualified, just that it is very difficult and not as clear-cut as having a cold. There is a long list of signs/symptoms which someone may or may not be experiencing for any of them to be deemed a concussion. Some of them may have been missed. I don't think the concussion protocol is standardized in college basketball as it is in professional football and it probably ought to be.

[forgetful]

Apparently the MU training staff needs a refresher on concussions. These are serious events where safety should come first. When in doubt the player sits. We should not be gambling with the health of our players period.

They went through a protocol on the sidelines (you could see it from the TV).  He passed.  When he went to the hospital later, they couldn't even verify that he had a concussion (at least that is what the announcers said).  They kept him out this game as a precaution.

[bilsu]

They went through a protocol on the sidelines (you could see it from the TV).  He passed.  When he went to the hospital later, they couldn't even verify that he had a concussion (at least that is what the announcers said).  They kept him out this game as a precaution.

He may of passed the test, but the game was basically over with whether he came back in or not. It just was a poor decision to play him.

[forgetful]

He may of passed the test, but the game was basically over with whether he came back in or not. It just was a poor decision to play him.

I agree.  I would rather MU be overly cautious with the players health.