Sandy vs JJJ

[Lennys Tap]

All this BS about Derrick vs JJJ or "grooming" Duane is just that. Want a few less minutes for Derrick and a few more for Duane? Reasonable. Nobody would bitch about that. But this JJJ for Derrick stuff is insane. They don't remotely play the same position. JJJ and Sandy do. Here's how they stack up vs one another in Big East play:

                Min   FG   FGA  FG%  3s  Att   3%  TO   TO/40 Min

JJJ              86   10    36    27      0   11    0    12      5.6

Sandy         84    8     17    47      4    9    44    3       1.4

They've both score 20 points on field goals but JJJ has taken more than twice as many shots. Sandy is an excellent 3 point shooter. JJJ is as bad as a player can be. Sandy's turnovers/minutes is excellent. JJJ is a turnover machine.

They (together) average 34 minutes per game (each has 1 DNP). Want to bump that to maybe 40? Fine. Take 3 away from Juan and 3 from Derrick. But the split should be 25-30 Sandy and 10-15 JJJ based on their performance in the games. JJJ is an awesome athlete. He has the "wow" factor (see Carlton Christian) that many fall in love with. But even dismissing his attitude/practice habits he's not getting it done on the floor. Until he is, let's have more Sandy and less JJJ.

[GooooMarquette]

Agree - of the two, Sandy has shown much more promise than JJJ.

As for Derrick vs JJJ - It's frustrating when posters talk about how "historically awful" Derrick has been, and at the same time call for more minutes for JJJ.  Those stats show that too many fans fall for the "wow" factor, and miss fundamentals.

[Newsdreams]

Agree - of the two, Sandy has shown much more promise than JJJ.

As for Derrick vs JJJ - It's frustrating when posters talk about how "historically awful" Derrick has been, and at the same time call for more minutes for JJJ.  Those stats show that too many fans fall for the "wow" factor, and miss fundamentals.

Well you know, the elite highschool players on scoop know better than two D1 coaching staffs.

[79Warrior]

Well you know, the elite highschool players on scoop know better than two D1 coaching staffs.

No kidding.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I hope Wojo only has 5 players on the roster next year so we don't have to debate minutes.

Apparently 8 guys is still too many.

[Lennys Tap]

I didn't put this up to troll Ners, Texas, or Wojo. Honest. It just seemed to me (damn eye test) that Sandy was playing much, much better than JJJ. Since they can and often do play the same position I thought the numbers were relevant. Given them, if Sandy was the sophomore and JJJ the freshman wouldn't Sandy be getting most of JJJ's minutes?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I didn't put this up to troll Ners, Texas, or Wojo. Honest. It just seemed to me (damn eye test) that Sandy was playing much, much better than JJJ. Since they can and often do play the same position I thought the numbers were relevant. Given them, if Sandy was the sophomore and JJJ the freshman wouldn't Sandy be getting most of JJJ's minutes?

To me, it seems like Wojo rides the hot hand inside of any given game. (Cohen and Teve against St John's)

With only 8 guys, everybody is bound to get a decent amount of minutes. If (insert player) wants more minutes, just play better. Wojo will play guys who are playing well.

I hate to oversimplify, but I don't think this is that complicated.

[Texas Western]

All this BS about Derrick vs JJJ or "grooming" Duane is just that. Want a few less minutes for Derrick and a few more for Duane? Reasonable. Nobody would bitch about that. But this JJJ for Derrick stuff is insane. They don't remotely play the same position. JJJ and Sandy do. Here's how they stack up vs one another in Big East play:

                Min   FG   FGA  FG%  3s  Att   3%  TO   TO/40 Min

JJJ              86   10    36    27      0   11    0    12      5.6

Sandy         84    8     17    47      4    9    44    3       1.4

They've both score 20 points on field goals but JJJ has taken more than twice as many shots. Sandy is an excellent 3 point shooter. JJJ is as bad as a player can be. Sandy's turnovers/minutes is excellent. JJJ is a turnover machine.

They (together) average 34 minutes per game (each has 1 DNP). Want to bump that to maybe 40? Fine. Take 3 away from Juan and 3 from Derrick. But the split should be 25-30 Sandy and 10-15 JJJ based on their performance in the games. JJJ is an awesome athlete. He has the "wow" factor (see Carlton Christian) that many fall in love with. But even dismissing his attitude/practice habits he's not getting it done on the floor. Until he is, let's have more Sandy and less JJJ.

Sandy is a more conservative player and the stats bear that out. I expect he will continue to gain more playing time as he gets used to the physical play. JJJ on the other hand has been told to play more within his own capabilities and time will tell what that will bring us. 

[GooooMarquette]

To me, it seems like Wojo rides the hot hand inside of any given game. (Cohen and Teve against St John's)

With only 8 guys, everybody is bound to get a decent amount of minutes. If (insert player) wants more minutes, just play better. Wojo will play guys who are playing well.

I hate to oversimplify, but I don't think this is that complicated.

Agreed.  The main reason JJJ hasn't played a lot lately is that he hasn't produced much when he has played.  "Bad practices" added to that, but bad game play is the main culprit IMO.

[NersEllenson]

Derrick is playing a guard position.  Period.  JJJ and Cohen are also guards.  You move Duane to PG, and shift 20 of Derrick's minutes to Cohen/JJJ.

Like it or not, both JJJ and Cohen are more talented than Derrick.  Period.  Talent wins games.  Our team would be so much more dynamic with this lineup:

Duane
Carlino
JJJ or Cohen
Juan
Luke

It's not even debatable.  Everyone in that lineup is a threat to score - other than perhaps Juan.  Makes the game easier for all of them.

Bottom line is we now have 2 years of Derrick playing max minutes at the PG position and we missed the NIT in year 1, and will miss the NCAA this year as well.  It aint working.

Wojo is so paranoid about turnovers, he can't see the forest through the trees as to how his ball protector PG is limiting the team.  Just as Buzz couldn't.  The record doesn't lie.

[GGGG]

To me, it seems like Wojo rides the hot hand inside of any given game. (Cohen and Teve against St John's)

With only 8 guys, everybody is bound to get a decent amount of minutes. If (insert player) wants more minutes, just play better. Wojo will play guys who are playing well.

I hate to oversimplify, but I don't think this is that complicated.

Pretty much how I have seen it.  People who were bitching about players not getting "extended runs" have no reason to bitch now.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Derrick, Derrick, Derrick, Derrick, What is the title of this thread?, Derrick, DERRICK DERRICK, DERRICK

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Derrick is playing a guard position.  Period.  JJJ and Cohen are also guards.  You move Duane to PG, and shift 20 of Derrick's minutes to Cohen/JJJ.

Like it or not, both JJJ and Cohen are more talented than Derrick.  Period.  Talent wins games.  Our team would be so much more dynamic with this lineup:

Duane
Carlino
JJJ or Cohen
Juan
Luke

It's not even debatable.  Everyone in that lineup is a threat to score - other than perhaps Juan.  Makes the game easier for all of them.

Bottom line is we now have 2 years of Derrick playing max minutes at the PG position and we missed the NIT in year 1, and will miss the NCAA this year as well.  It aint working.

Wojo is so paranoid about turnovers, he can't see the forest through the trees as to how his ball protector PG is limiting the team.  Just as Buzz couldn't.  The record doesn't lie.

Please don't do this.

This thread is about JJJ and Sandy.

Please don't start down this path again. Please don't make everything about Derrick.

[brewcity77]

Derrick is playing a guard position.  Period.  JJJ and Cohen are also guards.  You move Duane to PG, and shift 20 of Derrick's minutes to Cohen/JJJ.

Like it or not, both JJJ and Cohen are more talented than Derrick.  Period.  Talent wins games.  Our team would be so much more dynamic with this lineup:

Duane
Carlino
JJJ or Cohen
Juan
Luke

It's not even debatable.  Everyone in that lineup is a threat to score - other than perhaps Juan.  Makes the game easier for all of them.

Bottom line is we now have 2 years of Derrick playing max minutes at the PG position and we missed the NIT in year 1, and will miss the NCAA this year as well.  It aint working.

Wojo is so paranoid about turnovers, he can't see the forest through the trees as to how his ball protector PG is limiting the team.  Just as Buzz couldn't.  The record doesn't lie.

Clearly you are completely, hopelessly obsessed with Derrick. You make every thread about Derrick. You constantly post about Derrick. Even when you say you aren't talking about Derrick, there are always subtle swipes at Derrick and any time you leave someone unnamed, it's obvious you are talking about Derrick.

At some point, maybe try to have a thought that doesn't revolve around Derrick? I know he's the center of your universe and all, but I shudder to think what you'll do when he's gone. You won't have anyone to whine about. Or are you already figuring out the next target of your vitriol for once he's gone?

[wadesworld]

This is hilarious.

[MerrittsMustache]

When you compare JJJ and Sandy's numbers side-by-side like that, it really becomes clear that Derrick needs to be benched.

[wadesworld]

When you compare JJJ and Sandy's numbers side-by-side like that, it really becomes clear that Derrick needs to be benched.

HAHA!  Well done!

[tower912]

Clearly, Derrick is favoring Sandy with his 'good' assists.

[brandx]

Please don't do this.

This thread is about JJJ and Sandy.

Please don't start down this path again. Please don't make everything about Derrick.

Maybe one 30-day ban  wasn't enough.

[Newsdreams]

Maybe one 30-day ban  wasn't enough.

Agree....

[mu_hilltopper]

Hello.  As many of you have reported, you don't like Ners' commentary on Derrick Wilson. 

New Rule:  Before you click "report to moderator" please click the button underneath the individual whose prose so irritates you.

If, for some reason,  the "ignore" function is not operational for you, then yes, please alert the moderators.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Hello.  As many of you have reported, you don't like Ners' commentary on Derrick Wilson. 

New Rule:  Before you click "report to moderator" please click the button underneath the individual whose prose so irritates you.

If, for some reason,  the "ignore" function is not operational for you, then yes, please alert the moderators.

Totally fair.

Ners, for real though, can you please keep the threads on topic?

I'm cool with you saying whatever you want. I'll just ignore/avoid if I don't like it.

But, when it starts leaking into every thread, then there is no way I can avoid it.

[wadesworld]

Hello.  As many of you have reported, you don't like Ners' commentary on Derrick Wilson. 

New Rule:  Before you click "report to moderator" please click the button underneath the individual whose prose so irritates you.

If, for some reason,  the "ignore" function is not operational for you, then yes, please alert the moderators.

I definitely understand your point, but when someone quotes him, ignoring him becomes pointless, which is why I no longer bother having him on ignore.

[tower912]

Hello.  As many of you have reported, you don't like Ners' commentary on Derrick Wilson. 

New Rule:  Before you click "report to moderator" please click the button underneath the individual whose prose so irritates you.

If, for some reason,  the "ignore" function is not operational for you, then yes, please alert the moderators.

I swore to myself I would not do that this year.   However, times change and you talked me into it.   

[mu_hilltopper]

I definitely understand your point, but when someone quotes him, ignoring him becomes pointless, which is why I no longer bother having him on ignore.

So .. what you're saying is that it only works like 80% of the time, and that's not worth it?