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PGsHeroes32

It continues to reaffirm my belief that while still very unlikely we could still win 3 straight at MSG in this conference. Of course we would have to get out of the bottom so that we don't play 4 games but outside of Nova and SJU we can hang with every team.

The fact we can't close out these road games makes 3 straight in one weekend unlikely..but its not a pipe dream like DePaul faces every year lol.

Said this last week. But man shame this is our "rebuilding" time. Could you imagine that DJO and Jae team in this league? Might win every game by 15.

Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

GGGG

I'm encouraged.  Duane is going to be real good.  Sandy and Luke are going to be solid players for a couple more years.  Teams play hard.  They defend.

This is a limited team.  But I like that Wojo is laying the groundwork.  This team isn't going anywhere this year.  They weren't going anywhere had they played JJJ and won.  Long term lessons are way more important right now.

GoldenZebra

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 17, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
I'm encouraged.  Duane is going to be real good.  Sandy and Luke are going to be solid players for a couple more years.  Teams play hard.  They defend.

This is a limited team.  But I like that Wojo is laying the groundwork.  This team isn't going anywhere this year.  They weren't going anywhere had they played JJJ and won.  Long term lessons are way more important right now.

This. Very few people seem to understand that this season for the long term progress. This year should be taken on a game by game basis and people cant get too excited or ticked off whether we win or lose.

Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020

Duane had a rough second half.   Moreso than the others. 

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 17, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
I'm encouraged.  Duane is going to be real good.  Sandy and Luke are going to be solid players for a couple more years.  Teams play hard.  They defend.

This is a limited team.  But I like that Wojo is laying the groundwork.  This team isn't going anywhere this year.  They weren't going anywhere had they played JJJ and won.  Long term lessons are way more important right now.

I think the good thing about how hard the team plays is that as soon as next year with more bodies, talent and experience we should be set up pretty well.

That's assuming they play with the same intensity and drive.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

BCHoopster

What I see is a team that really hustles, plays hard but with Juan, Derrick on the court you are always playing 3 on 5.   The inability to get the ball to Fisher is obvious, Carlino must have had 3 turnovers trying.  Poor Steve Taylor brings nothing, shell of what he once was. Freshman will get lots of time next year, with NN having health issues, I am sure now he needs to add a player or two. Tough loss,  Carlino did his best.  Really should be Ellensons team next year.

Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020

Quote from: GoldenZebra on January 17, 2015, 01:48:44 PM
Very few people seem to understand that this season for the long term progress. This year should be taken on a game by game basis and people cant get too excited or ticked off whether we win or lose.

This post should be in the strawman hall of fame. 

jsglow

I think we're fine.  We're going to have a very solid program in the years to come.

Do you guys remember Omaha and NJIT?  Our coach built multiple zone defenses that now give teams fits ON THE FLY.  When we've got more quality players we'll be a solid threat in the league and in the NCAAs.

WarriorHal

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 17, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
I'm encouraged.  Duane is going to be real good.  Sandy and Luke are going to be solid players for a couple more years.  Teams play hard.  They defend.

This is a limited team.  But I like that Wojo is laying the groundwork.  This team isn't going anywhere this year.  They weren't going anywhere had they played JJJ and won.  Long term lessons are way more important right now.

Since this season is about "long term lessons" and not about winning, then there isn't much point spending hours and hours and hours watching every minute of every game. Hoping the children learn life lessons isn't in my mind when watching MU play. I thought this was big time college basketball and the coach's job is to win games.

On the other hand, I suppose establishing his "culture" is what's most important to Wojo this season, and wins and loses are secondary. Fine. That better not be the case next season. Coaches are ultimately judged on wins and loses.

mattyv1908

Quote from: WarriorHal on January 17, 2015, 02:12:07 PM
Since this season is about "long term lessons" and not about winning, then there isn't much point spending hours and hours and hours watching every minute of every game. Hoping the children learn life lessons isn't in my mind when watching MU play. I thought this was big time college basketball and the coach's job is to win games.

On the other hand, I suppose establishing his "culture" is what's most important to Wojo this season, and wins and loses are secondary. Fine. That better not be the case next season. Coaches are ultimately judged on wins and loses.

If establishing his culture is more important than wins and losses Marquette hired the wrong coach.
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jsglow

I'll venture that neither matty nor warriorhal have played sports in a winning program.

WarriorHal

Quote from: jsglow on January 17, 2015, 02:16:10 PM
I'll venture that neither matty nor warriorhal have played sports in a winning program.

So benching a player to teach him a lesson and hurt your team's chance of winning leads to victory over the long haul. Got it. Hope you're right :)

GGGG

Quote from: WarriorHal on January 17, 2015, 02:12:07 PM
Since this season is about "long term lessons" and not about winning, then there isn't much point spending hours and hours and hours watching every minute of every game.


Then don't.  I don't care either way.

79Warrior

Quote from: WarriorHal on January 17, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
So benching a player to teach him a lesson and hurt your team's chance of winning leads to victory over the long haul. Got it. Hope you're right :)

It absolutely is the right thing to do.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

I don't understand how people don't get this. If you have a player not doing whatever it is the coach expects him to do in order to get playing time, you must bench him. If you don't, you reinforce the idea that you don't have to practice or listen to the coach in order to get playing time. You may win the game right in front of you, but you will lose more in the future as a result.

We can argue all day about how severe the transgression needs to be to deserve a benching or how long/short the benching should be, but the only ones with all the information are the players and coaches. I trust the coaches' judgement.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: mattyv1908 on January 17, 2015, 02:14:06 PM
If establishing his culture is more important than wins and losses Marquette hired the wrong coach.

Steve Lavin and Ben Howland would agree with you. Most other Division 1 coaches wouldn't.
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TAMU

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PGsHeroes32

Well this thread went off track quickly
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

jsglow

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 17, 2015, 02:36:03 PM
Steve Lavin and Ben Howland would agree with you. Most other Division 1 coaches wouldn't.

+1.

I'll bet Wojo asks himself often, 'What would Coach K do right now?'  I think we know the answer.

mattyv1908

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 17, 2015, 02:36:03 PM
Steve Lavin and Ben Howland would agree with you. Most other Division 1 coaches wouldn't.

I'll rephrase.  If Wojo is looking at this year in any way other than 'win now' then we hired the wrong coach.  Prior seasons don't translate into future seasons.  This season and this team deserve a coach who is committed to winning as many games as possible this year.
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Juan Anderson's Mixtape

[quote
I'll rephrase.  If Wojo is looking at this year in any way other than 'win now' then we hired the wrong coach.  Prior seasons don't translate into future seasons.  This season and this team deserve a coach who is committed to winning as many games as possible this year.
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I disagree.  Yes, Wojo is coaching to win every game but he also has to implement his system and culture.  If JJJ didn't practice at Wojo's expectation level then he must sit him.  Playing him today would tell the team practice habits don't matter and Wojo might lose the team.  Message needed to be sent to both to JJJ directly and the rest of the team as well. 

As for comparing Buzz in year 1 to Wojo year 1, that's really not fair.  Buzz inherited James, McNeal, Matthews and Hayward.  This is year one of a total rebuild.  Buzz had a good run but his 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes weren't good enough to sustain that success.  With Vander leaving early and Duane getting injured, MU bottomed out last year and the team remains at that level.  Much like Crean had to rebuild from the Deane era, Wojo is rebuilding with a limited roster.

With Crean, he needed until year 3 to make the tourney.  I think Wojo needs to make the tourney next year and we have a chance to be pretty good in two years.  We have a couple pieces on the roster, the first recruiting class looks good and Wojo has 3 more open scholarships.  Add in Steve Taylor and that's 4 over the next two years assuming no departures.  Find a good PG, another wing scorer/shooter, another rebounder and BPA.  I expected to be mediocre this year and we are.  But years 2, 3, and 4 I will be expecting MU to be dancing.

mattyv1908

Quote from: Lazars Headband on January 17, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
[quote
I'll rephrase.  If Wojo is looking at this year in any way other than 'win now' then we hired the wrong coach.  Prior seasons don't translate into future seasons.  This season and this team deserve a coach who is committed to winning as many games as possible this year.


I disagree.  Yes, Wojo is coaching to win every game but he also has to implement his system and culture.  If JJJ didn't practice at Wojo's expectation level then he must sit him.  Playing him today would tell the team practice habits don't matter and Wojo might lose the team.  Message needed to be sent to both to JJJ directly and the rest of the team as well. 

As for comparing Buzz in year 1 to Wojo year 1, that's really not fair.  Buzz inherited James, McNeal, Matthews and Hayward.  This is year one of a total rebuild.  Buzz had a good run but his 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes weren't good enough to sustain that success.  With Vander leaving early and Duane getting injured, MU bottomed out last year and the team remains at that level.  Much like Crean had to rebuild from the Deane era, Wojo is rebuilding with a limited roster.

With Crean, he needed until year 3 to make the tourney.  I think Wojo needs to make the tourney next year and we have a chance to be pretty good in two years.  We have a couple pieces on the roster, the first recruiting class looks good and Wojo has 3 more open scholarships.  Add in Steve Taylor and that's 4 over the next two years assuming no departures.  Find a good PG, another wing scorer/shooter, another rebounder and BPA.  I expected to be mediocre this year and we are.  But years 2, 3, and 4 I will be expecting MU to be dancing.

Good post, but I never compared Buzz to Wojo.  I don't have the animosity for Buzz like some on here but I probably was more critical of him than most when he was our coach.  There seems to be a lot of people here who get enamored with the shiny new toy simply because it's new.  Wojo is hardly infallible just like Buzz.
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Sorry MattyV, the Buzz-Wojo comparison comment was meant for another poster though I can't find the post where I read that.  I mistakenly omitted that point.

BM1090

To reference the original post, I actually think we could compete with SJU this year. Last year they dominated us on the road and beat us at the BC in 2OT, but that was mostly because we consistently got beat off the dribble. SJU is a good matchup for our zone, as Harrison is really their only reliable shooter. Rebounding could be a huge issue though.

Texas Western

Quote from: mattyv1908 on January 17, 2015, 02:58:58 PM
I'll rephrase.  If Wojo is looking at this year in any way other than 'win now' then we hired the wrong coach.  Prior seasons don't translate into future seasons.  This season and this team deserve a coach who is committed to winning as many games as possible this year.
I agree with this point.

brandx

Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 17, 2015, 05:52:50 PM
To reference the original post, I actually think we could compete with SJU this year. Last year they dominated us on the road and beat us at the BC in 2OT, but that was mostly because we consistently got beat off the dribble. SJU is a good matchup for our zone, as Harrison is really their only reliable shooter. Rebounding could be a huge issue though.

St. John's plays 6 players - 5 seniors and a junior. If you are correct, then Wojo has done an absolutely unbelievable coaching job this year.

We have two players on the team with experience as starters in college before this season while the SJU players have been together for 4 years.

I have a hard time understanding some of the posts this year (not referring to you, MU Eagle) when we are competitive almost every game with a severely undermanned and inexperienced roster.

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