Wojo Post Game (Comments on JJJ DNP)

[willie warrior]

I'm done arguing with all of you who don't have the first bit of clue as to what it is like from the player perspective.  You clowns defended Buzz up and down all of last season, made excuse after excuse for him, as well as now making excuses for Wojo and how we have no business being an NCAA tournament team, and how he inherited such an awful situation.  Furthermore, you take up beyond belief for a guy who is so incredibly limited at his position at this level, while attacking players that actually have much more skill, potential and ability.

In the view of many of you that have little to no playing experience - the head coach is always right.  Never his fault, right?  

Here's a question:  How many of you are Packer fans?  Any of you have beefs with how McCarthy and Capers coached that game?

Well if you did - Stop, you are being ridiculous, they've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know.  They are paid millions of dollars.  As if that's some type of tonic that absolves them of ever making mistakes?  Please.

What--Wojo inherited an awful situation? Who left that situation? The phony hero!

[GooooMarquette]

folks should just stop responding to his drivel.

Agree.  When he uses "none of you know what it's like to be a player" to rationalize his criticisms of the MU coaching staff - which probably has more high D-1 players than any coaching staff ever assembled - it's clear he has lost all perspective.  Doesn't take a basketball player to see that....

[reinko]

Lasted 6 min,  and 24 seconds.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not sure I understand your convoluted meandering argument here. It appears to say that this vast improvement was due to Wojo, but is it possible the kids had something to do with it, or is it possible that it could be due to everybody's hero, the phony cowboy holding those guys back? Oh my, we better not even explore the phony cowboy's involvement here, because he was, after all a savior to the program, and could do no wrong. He was the master at motivation and player development, as well as phony Bu#$s*&t.

Willie,

Please read the post I quoted to get the context before responding. Ners claimed that our players hadn't developed under Wojo. I showed him that they had in fact improved from last season. Of course some of it is on the players. It would be foolish to think it isn't. Almost as foolish as the argument I was countering saying that they hadn't improved at all.

You see but you do not observe  

And Buzz really got to you. You really need to let that one go. It's been almost a year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That's exactly the point - we are that close to being 4-1 even without 2 guys who could/would have been huge contributors - Burton and Mayo.

You've brought this up a couple of times. Once again, Mayo and Burton leaving was UNAVOIDABLE. Mayo fooked up real bad over the summer. Even if Wojo had wanted to keep him, he couldn't have. Was not an option. Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. For all intents and purposes, Wojo did not inherit Mayo.

Burton has come out publicly and said that he needed to get away from Milwaukee after his mother's death. It was too painful for him to stay. There was nothing Wojo could have done to keep him.

[g0lden3agle]

You've brought this up a couple of times. Once again, Mayo and Burton leaving was UNAVOIDABLE. Mayo fooked up real bad over the summer. Even if Wojo had wanted to keep him, he couldn't have. Was not an option. Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. For all intents and purposes, Wojo did not inherit Mayo.

Burton has come out publicly and said that he needed to get away from Milwaukee after his mother's death. It was too painful for him to stay. There was nothing Wojo could have done to keep him.

You damn fool have you even played basketball before!?!?!

[Wojo'sMojo]

You've brought this up a couple of times. Once again, Mayo and Burton leaving was UNAVOIDABLE. Mayo fooked up real bad over the summer. Even if Wojo had wanted to keep him, he couldn't have. Was not an option. Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. For all intents and purposes, Wojo did not inherit Mayo.

Burton has come out publicly and said that he needed to get away from Milwaukee after his mother's death. It was too painful for him to stay. There was nothing Wojo could have done to keep him.

I disagree about Burton. He didn't say he needed to get away from MKE, until it was apparent he wasn't going to be a big part of Wojo's plan for the team. I'm sure his playing time made it much easier to say these things.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

People downplaying this year's team, and what a tough situation Wojo inherited are simply not holding him accountable to the reality.  He inherited a very good situation.  Not sure if ever before has an MU coach walked into a program with 4 Top 60 sophomores, and 8 Top 100 players.

I will now post this for the third time. Look at the team's numbers. What coach, what player, what fan would look at these numbers and say that "wow, this is an ncaa tournament team"? The truth is, every player on our roster has improved greatly from their 2013-2014 selves. The only two who didn't improve were Dawson and Burton. Burton played out of position and was dealing with a terrible tragedy off the court. Dawson just simply wasn't good enough to get on the court.

PG: Derrick Wilson: 5.0 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.5 tpg, .391 FG%, .071 3P%
SG: Matt Carlino: 13.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.7 spg, 2.0 tpg, .385 FG%, .339 3P%
SF: Deonte Burton: 6.9 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.5 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.9 tpg, .478 FG%, .500 3P%
PF: Juan Anderson: 3.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.0 tpg, .378 FG% .192 3P%
C: Luke Fischer: 2.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.3 apg, 0.8 bpg, 0.5 tpg, .556 FG%, .000  3P% (not available to December 16)

Bench:
1: Jajuan Johnson: 4.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.4 spg, 0.5 tpg, .443 FG%, .290 3P%
2: Steve Taylor: 2.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 tpg, .324 FG%, .154 3P%
3: John Dawson: 2.0 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.1 spg, 0.7 tpg, .320 FG%, .269 3P%
4: Duane Wilson: No Data Available
5: Sandy Cohen: No Data Available

Team Stats:
40.4 points per game
19.7 rebounds per game
12.7 assist per game
437-1086 .402 FG% Matt Carlino by himself had almost as many attempts (426), as FGM by the entire team (437).
88-295 .298 3P% Matt Carlino had 60 of those 88 makes

This is what Wojo inherited. A team that last season averaged around 40 points per game on 40.2 shooting, and 29.8% three point shooting. A team that grabbed under 20 boards a game. A team whose average height at the beginning of the year was 6-3. A team that had one player who shot more than 30% from three on at least 5 makes. A team

If this isn't a rebuilding year, I don't know what is.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I disagree about Burton. He didn't say he needed to get away from MKE, until it was apparent he wasn't going to be a big part of Wojo's plan for the team. I'm sure his playing time made it much easier to say these things.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46024.0

Burton says the main reason he transferred was to get away from Milwaukee and the troubles there. I can't possibly imagine the pain I would feel if I lost my mother. I would probably want to get as far away as I could too.

As for the timing as you point out, his semester was lost either way. Classes had started. Why not keep playing basketball for the semester? But more importantly, no one knows how a tragedy will affect them right away. He may have tried to tough it out and then just decided it was too much. I can't imagine trying to be a full time student and an athlete after a tragedy like that.

You can try to read between the lines or see hidden messages if you'd like. But I prefer to take the kid at his worst. He said he transferred to get away from an awful personal tragedy, than that is what I believe. To speculate more on it is disrespectful in my opinion.

[Wojo'sMojo]

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46024.0

Burton says the main reason he transferred was to get away from Milwaukee and the troubles there. I can't possibly imagine the pain I would feel if I lost my mother. I would probably want to get as far away as I could too.

As for the timing as you point out, his semester was lost either way. Classes had started. Why not keep playing basketball for the semester? But more importantly, no one knows how a tragedy will affect them right away. He may have tried to tough it out and then just decided it was too much. I can't imagine trying to be a full time student and an athlete after a tragedy like that.

You can try to read between the lines or see hidden messages if you'd like. But I prefer to take the kid at his worst. He said he transferred to get away from an awful personal tragedy, than that is what I believe. To speculate more on it is disrespectful in my opinion.

I could care less if you find it disrespectful. It is my opinion and I shared it. As for not playing out the rest of the semester, for what? It was apparent to me, that him and Wojo didn't really jive. Burton is an undisciplined player, who's style clashes with what Wojo likes. Why stick around if you don't feel wanted and plan on transferring anyway?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

At the end of the day, once again we'll have another crappy MU basketball season  

Yes. We will. The rest of us knew that and expected it as soon as Buzz Williams announced he was off to bumblefack nowhere.

We lost a larger percentage of scoring, rebounding, and three point shooting than any other team in the Big East. We lost more than Creighton!

We returned less scoring, rebounding, and three point shooting than any other team in the Big East besides Creighton (thank you Carlino).

We started the season with 9 players, none of whom were taller than 6"7.

We were picked to finish 9th in the conference by most pundits and coaches. No one had us higher than 6th.

At one point, KenPom was projecting us to go what? 2-16 in conference?

What you don't understand is that this team has actually over performed to this point. We should have definitely beaten Omaha, that sucked. And I would have thought we should have beaten Depaul but based on their recent performance...maybe not so much. We had no business beating Providence or Tennessee. Even beating Georgia Tech was a surprise. Our team shouldn't have won those games but they did. We should have never been close to winning @GTWN and @XAV. But we were. We should have never been in the game with Wisconsin or Michigan State, should have lost by 15-30. But we hung tough until the end and managed respectable losses.

The way I see it we have three wins we shouldn't have (PROV, GT, TN) and two losses we shouldn't have (Omaha, DPL). We have also beaten the spread in all of our other losses (MSU, WIS, GTWN, XAV, OSU). To me, that is exceeding expectations. Do I want more? Absolutely. Do I think we can over perform even more? You betcha. Do I expect it? Sure as hell don't.

[Anti-Dentite]

God, it's like groundhog day around here...same people making the same arguments day after day.

[GGGG]

Lasted 6 min,  and 24 seconds.

Yeah...should have known better.

[jesmu84]

LOL - Where is everybody jumping down Merritt's throat for a clearly speculative statement that he has NO proof or knowledge of.  Furthermore, the statement is totally and completely false.  I'm sure the Dawson family can attest to this.  And for real?  This is your logic Merritt?  Hey, I'm going to give John Dawson 4 minutes against Tennessee Martin to assess if I want him to remain at the program or encourage a transfer???  He did Dawson a HUGE disservice by playing him those 4 minutes.  If he had John's best interests at heart, and didn't feel he could be a contributor based on what he'd been seeing in practice - why freaking play him 4 minutes???

I don't agree with Merritt's perspective on this. I find it hard to believe, actually. But, it's the first time I've ever heard him say it. And, I'm just guessing, he won't be bringing it up multiple times in nearly  every thread he posts in.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I could care less if you find it disrespectful. It is my opinion and I shared it.

It's not about me. It's not about you either. It's about Burton. Could you imagine telling Burton "I know you said you transferred because staying in Milwaukee was too painful after your mother's death...but you really transferred because of playing time. We all know its true."

I try not to post things on Scoop that I wouldn't have the gall to say to someone's face. I know not everyone holds that same standard

As for not playing out the rest of the semester, for what? It was apparent to me, that him and Wojo didn't really jive. Burton is an undisciplined player, who's style clashes with what Wojo likes. Why stick around if you don't feel wanted and plan on transferring anyway?

I don't know, I'm not Burton. As a matter of fact, neither are you. I have heard nothing to indicate that Burton and Wojo "didn't jive." I also saw nothing to suggest that he was undisciplined. I also know that adapted the style of ball he wanted to play to fit the roster he was dealt. I also don't remember Burton every saying he felt unwanted and was planning on transferring. You either have some very good sources or you are making up stories that fit your narrative.

Burton came out and told us why he transferred. That almost never happens. I think if you hear it from the horse's mouth, there's no reason to doubt it.

[real chili 83]

In before the lock.

What's the over/under on #of posts till the ban hammer?

[Wojo'sMojo]

It's not about me. It's not about you either. It's about Burton. Could you imagine telling Burton "I know you said you transferred because staying in Milwaukee was too painful after your mother's death...but you really transferred because of playing time. We all know its true."

I try not to post things on Scoop that I wouldn't have the gall to say to someone's face. I know not everyone holds that same standard

I don't know, I'm not Burton. As a matter of fact, neither are you. I have heard nothing to indicate that Burton and Wojo "didn't jive." I also saw nothing to suggest that he was undisciplined. I also know that adapted the style of ball he wanted to play to fit the roster he was dealt. I also don't remember Burton every saying he felt unwanted and was planning on transferring. You either have some very good sources or you are making up stories that fit your narrative.

Burton came out and told us why he transferred. That almost never happens. I think if you hear it from the horse's mouth, there's no reason to doubt it.

You are quite naive TAMU. Do you believe everything that comes out of people's mouth? I wonder if you believe in unicorns and the tooth fairy? It was quite obvious to even the most casual observer that Burton and Wojo's styles didn't mesh. I don't know where you come up with players not saying why they transferred. I think it is quite common that it's usually about "transferring closer to home" or something along those lines. It's the PC way to dance around the question and not rip the program you are leaving.

[GGGG]

You are quite naive TAMU. Do you believe everything that comes out of people's mouth? I wonder if you believe in unicorns and the tooth fairy? It was quite obvious to even the most casual observer that Burton and Wojo's styles didn't mesh. I don't know where you come up with players not saying why they transferred. I think it is quite common that it's usually about "transferring closer to home" or something along those lines. It's the PC way to dance around the question and not rip the program you are leaving.

I agree with you in general.  I think if he were happy at MU, staying in Milwaukee wouldn't have been as much of a problem.  But I don't think he is going to rip the program either way.  

[Texas Western]

It's not about me. It's not about you either. It's about Burton. Could you imagine telling Burton "I know you said you transferred because staying in Milwaukee was too painful after your mother's death...but you really transferred because of playing time. We all know its true."

I try not to post things on Scoop that I wouldn't have the gall to say to someone's face. I know not everyone holds that same standard

I don't know, I'm not Burton. As a matter of fact, neither are you. I have heard nothing to indicate that Burton and Wojo "didn't jive." I also saw nothing to suggest that he was undisciplined. I also know that adapted the style of ball he wanted to play to fit the roster he was dealt. I also don't remember Burton every saying he felt unwanted and was planning on transferring. You either have some very good sources or you are making up stories that fit your narrative.

Burton came out and told us why he transferred. That almost never happens. I think if you hear it from the horse's mouth, there's no reason to doubt it.

Burton was incredibly tactful and said he left because of the family situation. Smart thing to do , why burn bridges. On the other hand it was widely known that he and the Coach did not see eye to eye. That was made clear by the playing rotation.  So while I respect your Pro Coach posture and consistency thereto, in this case I think your seeing things through very rose colored glasses.  Burton had lots of friends at school and was doing well, he left because the people who lurk in the shadows told him the grass was greener somewhere else. Being a kid, and also at a moment of weakness, he bit. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You are quite naive TAMU. Do you believe everything that comes out of people's mouth? I wonder if you believe in unicorns and the tooth fairy? It was quite obvious to even the most casual observer that Burton and Wojo's styles didn't mesh. I don't know where you come up with players not saying why they transferred. I think it is quite common that it's usually about "transferring closer to home" or something along those lines. It's the PC way to dance around the question and not rip the program you are leaving.

Just once, I wish someone on the internet who got called out for being disrespectful would respond by saying "You know what, I didn't think about that way. I'm sorry, that wasn't my intent." Instead of just getting macho and defensive. Just once.

I agree with you in general.  I think if he were happy at MU, staying in Milwaukee wouldn't have been as much of a problem.  But I don't think he is going to rip the program either way.  

Unless you have lost a parent at a young age (which my sincerest apologies if that is the case), I don't really think you have a right to say that. I have known kids who love their alma mater and then transferred after a tragedy because they wanted to get away.

[GGGG]

Unless you have lost a parent at a young age (which my sincerest apologies if that is the case), I don't really think you have a right to say that. I have known kids who love their alma mater and then transferred after a tragedy because they wanted to get away.

I don't have a "right" to say that?  I know many people who have had losses in their life.  Sometimes places, like work for instance, can be a sanctuary.  Sometimes, if they aren't happy in the first place, it only makes it worse.

So when I hear Deonte say he wants to get out of Milwaukee, I don't think he is lying.  I just think Marquette is part of Milwaukee.  I think if he were fully happy at MU, staying in Milwaukee would have been easier for him to do.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Burton was incredibly tactful and said he left because of the family situation. Smart thing to do , why burn bridges. On the other hand it was widely known that he and the Coach did not see eye to eye. That was made clear by the playing rotation.  So while I respect your Pro Coach posture and consistency thereto, in this case I think your seeing things through very rose colored glasses.  Burton had lots of friends at school and was doing well, he left because the people who lurk in the shadows told him the grass was greener somewhere else. Being a kid, and also at a moment of weakness, he bit. 

I think this "widely known" fact was mostly people not understanding how their favorite player wasn't performing as well as others on the roster.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Just once, I wish someone on the internet who got called out for being disrespectful would respond by saying "You know what, I didn't think about that way. I'm sorry, that wasn't my intent." Instead of just getting macho and defensive. Just once

You might think that you are the moral police of the board, but you are not. I don't care that you find it disrespectful, it is my opinion and I stated as such. So I am not going to apologize for something that I don't find disrespectful. It is my point of view. Have a good night TAMU.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't have a "right" to say that?  I know many people who have had losses in their life.  Sometimes places, like work for instance, can be a sanctuary.  Sometimes, if they aren't happy in the first place, it only makes it worse.

So when I hear Deonte say he wants to get out of Milwaukee, I don't think he is lying.  I just think Marquette is part of Milwaukee.  I think if he were fully happy at MU, staying in Milwaukee would have been easier for him to do.

Well, yes you have a right to say anything you want. But you can't possibly understand what Deonte is going through. Neither can I. Sure some places can be sanctuary. Sometimes, a loss is so devastating that even a perfect sanctuary can't help. Sometimes a loss makes you want to escape to somewhere new.

But I don't know. I'm not Deonte. For all I know all the things being said are true. I just think this line of thinking could be incredibly damaging and insulting to someone who just lost their mother.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You might think that you are the moral police of the board, but you are not. I don't care that you find it disrespectful, it is my opinion and I stated as such. So I am not going to apologize for something that I don't find disrespectful. It is my point of view. Have a good night TAMU.

You have the right to say whatever you want. I have the right to say whatever I want in response. I felt you were being disrespectful. It doesn't matter that you don't agree. Most people in real life would say "I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way." But I know, its the internet. Everyone feels like they have the right to be disrepectful