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GOO

Also, it maybe in his best interest to redshirt next year and then have two years left to play.  A redshirt year could give him the chance needed to develop and give that extra year that can be important for a big man. 


WarriorFan

Why do we need another Steve Taylor?  The one we have isn't working out so well...
"The meaning of life isn't gnashing our bicuspids over what comes after death but tasting the tiny moments that come before it."

brandx

Quote from: amen426 on December 30, 2014, 01:05:20 AM
In other words, you have never actually watched him play. Worst take ever, brandx.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T8GI2lhA2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7PxVhHG7i8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUTMQ-YJ-ys

When has Otule ever hit a three pointer, or take one coast-to-coast. This kid is far from just a "big body". 

This kid actually has a left-hand, so he's already more advanced than Steve Taylor in the post.

This is an agile big body who pumped in 12 pts a game in HS against smaller slower players. And I love your statement about hitting a 3-pointer - so he hit one 3-pointer in practice and that makes him a shooter. And coast-to-coast? A half court breakaway is not going coast-to-coast.

More advanced than Steve Taylor - ridiculous.

The ceiling is Dwight Burke.

tower912

Next year's roster: (as currently projected)
5:  Fischer, Heldt
4:  HEllenson, STjr
3:  WEllenson, Cohen
2:  JJJ, Cheatham
1:  Duane, NN

If he can contribute valuable minutes up front, take him.   If he has an inflated sense of his own abilities and thinks he is a 2-3, pass.    Sure would like a (1 year rental) PG.
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BCHoopster

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 30, 2014, 10:17:05 AM
Why do we need another Steve Taylor?  The one we have isn't working out so well...

I just watched his video in high school, yes, he is athletic, yes he can dunk on small white kids.  Other than that I did not see anything special on the offensive end.  Playing against good
players at Louisville for the last year probably improved his game.  He looks like a back up center, have Heldt.  Probably more active than Steve Taylor, who has really lost his ability to really
jump, no explosion off his feet anymore.  To bad, looked really good as a freshman.  Rather see a kid who has the ability to put the ball in the basket, range from the top of the key or range
like Nigel Hayes, who can go inside and out.

brandx

Quote from: tower912 on December 30, 2014, 10:46:19 AM
Next year's roster: (as currently projected)
5:  Fischer, Heldt
4:  HEllenson, STjr
3:  WEllenson, Cohen
2:  JJJ, Cheatham
1:  Duane, NN

If he can contribute valuable minutes up front, take him.   If he has an inflated sense of his own abilities and thinks he is a 2-3, pass.    Sure would like a (1 year rental) PG.

I wouldn't be surprised to see JJJ start at SF or 2G, but it could depend on if we get a rental or Juco guy. We're not going to start the year with only 10 guys, so we'll see what Wojo does.

brandx

Quote from: BCHoopster on December 30, 2014, 10:52:47 AM
I just watched his video in high school, yes, he is athletic, yes he can dunk on small white kids.  Other than that I did not see anything special on the offensive end.  Playing against good
players at Louisville for the last year probably improved his game.  He looks like a back up center, have Heldt.  Probably more active than Steve Taylor, who has really lost his ability to really
jump, no explosion off his feet anymore.  To bad, looked really good as a freshman.  Rather see a kid who has the ability to put the ball in the basket, range from the top of the key or range
like Nigel Hayes, who can go inside and out.


I didn't mean to say he didn't have any value. He's a big body in the paint. But his offensive game is about as developed as Derrick's was as a freshman.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

It's simple for me, if Wojo wants him, than he must be good enough to contribute. Ergo, I want him.
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21rooster

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 30, 2014, 11:09:50 AM
It's simple for me, if Wojo wants him, than he must be good enough to contribute. Ergo, I want him.

Bingo!  Wojo and his staff have likely seen a whole lot more footage than guys like brandx...and they have many more contacts that are familiar with the player.  The kid wasn't getting minutes with #5 Louisville.  I know things are looking up, but we have to realize that we don't have the lineup that Rick Pitino has...yet.   We have three open scholarships, and it's very unlikely that we will get three additional top-tier players for 2014-15 (and he only uses a scholarship for one additional year).  We have room to take a chance on a player with height and shot-blocking ability...a kid who just might benefit from a coaching staff that has done pretty well developing big men.  Rather than undercutting the efforts of a coaching staff that is obviously interested in landing Agau, maybe it makes sense to respect the opinions of the guys who just put together the #5 recruiting class for next year. 

amen426

Quote from: brandx on December 30, 2014, 10:35:26 AM
This is an agile big body who pumped in 12 pts a game in HS against smaller slower players. And I love your statement about hitting a 3-pointer - so he hit one 3-pointer in practice and that makes him a shooter. And coast-to-coast? A half court breakaway is not going coast-to-coast.

More advanced than Steve Taylor - ridiculous.

The ceiling is Dwight Burke.

When did I call him a shooter? I was just responding to your hyperbole. You have compared him to Chris Otule, Derrick Wilson and Dwight Burke-- three players who have limited skill sets.

My point was that this player has natural ability (hands/footwork are key for bigs). He is just unpolished right now. That doesn't mean we will get it out of him in his 2.5 years on campus-- but he certainly has the upside where it would be well worth trying.

Burke/Wilson had very limited ceilings.

Do you have any knowledge of this player or are you just trolling him for no apparent reason.

I'm not calling him a shooter or an elite offensive player. I'm simply saying he offers much more than Otule/Burke did from an offensive skillset, and he has a better POST game than Steve Taylor.

Steve Taylor is a good kid, and I'm thankful that he stuck with the program this year. But he will never be an effective POST player until he develops the use of his left hand.

In a 2-minute video, I've already seen more effective use of both hands by Agau than I've seen from STJ in his 2.5 seasons with the program.

brandx

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 30, 2014, 11:09:50 AM
It's simple for me, if Wojo wants him, than he must be good enough to contribute. Ergo, I want him.

You're right, of course. And this is where many of us, myself included, go wrong. We only want to see what  big-time players Wojo can bring in. We sometimes forget that a 6'8" athletic body off the bench for 10 - 12 minutes a game is a valuable commodity. It's just not "glamorous".

brandx

Quote from: amen426 on December 30, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
When did I call him a shooter? I was just responding to your hyperbole. You have compared him to Chris Otule, Derrick Wilson and Dwight Burke-- three players who have limited skill sets.

I'm not calling him a shooter or an elite offensive player. I'm simply saying he offers much more than Otule/Burke did from an offensive skillset, and he has a better POST game than Steve Taylor.

Steve Taylor is a good kid, and I'm thankful that he stuck with the program this year. But he will never be an effective POST player until he develops the use of his left hand.


That is the point - he does have a very limited skill set offensively - it IS in the same category as Wilson, Otule, and Burke. His scoring average in high school was barely HALF of what Derrick did in HS.

jsglow

Funny.  D. Wilson and O'Tule have been 2 of the best human beings to wear a MU uniform in recent years. If Wojo wants him, so do I.

Texas Western

Quote from: GOO on December 30, 2014, 09:18:53 AM
Also, it maybe in his best interest to redshirt next year and then have two years left to play.  A redshirt year could give him the chance needed to develop and give that extra year that can be important for a big man. 
We need a big tough rebounding guy. On paper he could be a good fit. The big question on have is with respect to his character. Pitino suspended him last year as a freshman which is a bad sign. I don't think he ever came out of the dog house. So I agree with the notion of having him sit out the full year and gain some maturity and training.

brandx

Quote from: jsglow on December 30, 2014, 09:43:17 PM
Funny.  D. Wilson and O'Tule have been 2 of the best human beings to wear a MU uniform in recent years. If Wojo wants him, so do I.

Agree - and Derrick will pass his leadership and attitude on to the younger guys. And we will be better for it next year.

Lennys Tap

He's 6'8". Pitino wanted him. Now Wichita St., Georgetown and others want him. And Wojo wants him. Those are good enough recommendations for me.

VegasWarrior77

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Boone

Carlino's one of Wojo's guys, and with the exception of one game, he's been a flop.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Boone on December 31, 2014, 06:32:40 PM
Carlino's one of Wojo's guys, and with the exception of one game, he's been a flop.

He had a bad game tonight but this is just plain dishonest. Or you have areally messed up definition of flop
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GGGG

Quote from: Boone on December 31, 2014, 06:32:40 PM
Carlino's one of Wojo's guys, and with the exception of one game, he's been a flop.


He's been fine.  12.3/3.0/4.1  1.9 TOs per game.  He's shooting better from 3 than his first three years.  I can't imagine how bad this team would be without him.  Today wasn't great, but he has done a number of good things.

onepost

I guess Akoy Agau and I are still "friends" on Facebook from when he was at Central and I was at Creighton Prep (hometown is Omaha).  I stumbled upon his profile and it says he "Studies at Wichita State University".  I haven't seen anything about his announcing a transfer destination but maybe he already decided.

hoyasincebirth

He visited Georgetown for the Creighton game. Georgetown was the runner up to Louisville the first time. I hope we land him.

TedBaxter

Quote from: hoyasincebirth on January 05, 2015, 08:26:35 AM
He visited Georgetown for the Creighton game. Georgetown was the runner up to Louisville the first time. I hope we land him.

Maybe he already packed and just stayed in D.C.?  Classes start this Wednesday at Georgetown.

Honestly, not sure where he would fit at MU.
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moomoo

Quote from: TedBaxter on January 05, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
Maybe he already packed and just stayed in D.C.?  Classes start this Wednesday at Georgetown.

Honestly, not sure where he would fit at MU.

I would envision the starting forward with Henry and Luke rounding out the front line.
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GGGG

Quote from: moomoo on January 05, 2015, 12:57:40 PM
I would envision the starting forward with Henry and Luke rounding out the front line.


Yeah, I am not too sure about that.  I would think that Taylor, Johnson and even Wally have better shots to start on the front line than he would.

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