Deonte's departure mildly surprising at best

[HutchwasClutch]

Didn't hold out very long, eh?

What I wrote about him after the Badger game that I was holding out hope, was hardly a ringing endorsement, was it?  

[mattyv1908]

I'll expand on my original comment about Wojo purging the attitudes and crap Buzz brought in the program.

Assumptions are being made that I was calling out Burton as a bad dude, this horrid cancer on the team, whatever.  I'm not lumping him in with the Montearle Clark's that Buzz recruited as some here are assuming.  By the term crap, I mean recruiting a guy who doesn't play defense  or pass the ball, and has shown zero interest in either ( as stated in one of my earlier posts on this thread).   That's selfish basketball, that never leads to winning basketball, and that is indeed part of the crap that Buzz brought in.   I think there are character flaws for a guy who doesn't want to do these things on a basketball court.  It's selfish, self absorbed, and a ME attitude.  I never heard of any trouble the kid caused at MU off the court either, and he seemed rather soft spoken and quiet, but his playing style on the court, did not show well at all, and MU is well rid of him I think.  

You must not have watched many Buzz Williams coached teams Hutch, because if you had you'd understand that they were anything other than selfish, lazy, lacking effort or me first.

Unfortunately last year we had a backcourt consisting of one guy who couldn't create his own shot and only shot 25 footers and another guy who had trouble finishing at point blank range and it forced the guys who could score to hang onto the basketball.  Every other year I'd define Buzz's teams as unselfish, hard working, active on defense, good passing, sharing the basketball teams.

Ironically, Carlino has been the most selfish, me first player I've seen at Marquette in a long time and he's the first guy Wojo has brought in.

[NersEllenson]

You must not have watched many Buzz Williams coached teams Hutch, because if you had you'd understand that they were anything other than selfish, lazy, lacking effort or me first.

Unfortunately last year we had a backcourt consisting of one guy who couldn't create his own shot and only shot 25 footers and another guy who had trouble finishing at point blank range and it forced the guys who could score to hang onto the basketball.  Every other year I'd define Buzz's teams as unselfish, hard working, active on defense, good passing, sharing the basketball teams.

Ironically, Carlino has been the most selfish, me first player I've seen at Marquette in a long time and he's the first guy Wojo has brought in.

I agree with you point on Carlino..but I'm fine with it. Was fine with Mayo.  Was fine with Burton.  Was fine with DJO.  You have to have some guys who can go get you one, and get a look on their own at this level.  People at times rode Todd last season as being a "me first" guy.  What the hell was he supposed to do on that team when playing with Derrick and Jake.  Did you not want Todd shooting it, attacking the basket?  Same with Deonte.  Same as this year with Carlino, Duane and Deonte - they are guys who can get their own shot off, and they are much better offensive players than Derrick, Juan, Steve.  You want your best offensive players taking the most shots - even if forced at times.

[HutchwasClutch]

You must not have watched many Buzz Williams coached teams Hutch, because if you had you'd understand that they were anything other than selfish, lazy, lacking effort or me first.

Unfortunately last year we had a backcourt consisting of one guy who couldn't create his own shot and only shot 25 footers and another guy who had trouble finishing at point blank range and it forced the guys who could score to hang onto the basketball.  Every other year I'd define Buzz's teams as unselfish, hard working, active on defense, good passing, sharing the basketball teams.

Ironically, Carlino has been the most selfish, me first player I've seen at Marquette in a long time and he's the first guy Wojo has brought in.

OMG!!!!  I was talking about Burton in my post!!  Burton's game was not a generalization of Buzz's players and teams.  I didn't imply, say it, nothing.  Give me a break already.  

Buzz's players and recruits had a myriad of flaws that were red flags, some as players stricly, some off the court/character, in some cases both were true.  They ran the spectrum-   Burton- selfish,  Mayo- attitude,  Maymon, Reggie Smith- overinflated opinions of their ability coming in,  Montearle Clark- criminal (not to mention the alleged sexual assault swept under the rug who can only be speculated were part of),  Cadougan- a turnover machine for a PG, although capable of big plays,  Derrick- maybe the worst shooter from the PG position this program has ever seen; they came in all shapes, sizes, and forms.

How much detail do I have to go into for the assumptions to be put to bed.

[brewcity77]

I agree with you point on Carlino..but I'm fine with it. Was fine with Mayo.  Was fine with Burton.  Was fine with DJO.  You have to have some guys who can go get you one, and get a look on their own at this level.  People at times rode Todd last season as being a "me first" guy.  What the hell was he supposed to do on that team when playing with Derrick and Jake.  Did you not want Todd shooting it, attacking the basket?  Same with Deonte.  Same as this year with Carlino, Duane and Deonte - they are guys who can get their own shot off, and they are much better offensive players than Derrick, Juan, Steve.  You want your best offensive players taking the most shots - even if forced at times.

Which is a huge problem with Deonte this year. His usage rate is way down. For a guy who probably has the most raw offensive ability on the team, he should be far more aggressive trying to score than he has been this year.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I was personally shocked. I would drop him off at the AL at 1 am a few times and he would go shoot around. Just odd, really wonder what happened.

[GGGG]

I was personally shocked. I would drop him off at the AL at 1 am a few times and he would go shoot around. Just odd, really wonder what happened.

Probably uses time on the court to think things through.  He's been through a lot in a short time.  He's lost a boss (coach), a mother, and his best friend on the team wasn't playing.  That would be a lot for me to go through and I have nearly 50 years of wisdom, and a wonderful wife and family to help me.  It's a lot for a 20 year old to deal with.

[jesmu84]

Probably uses time on the court to think things through.  He's been through a lot in a short time.  He's lost a boss (coach), a mother, and his best friend on the team wasn't playing.  That would be a lot for me to go through and I have nearly 50 years of wisdom, and a wonderful wife and family to help me.  It's a lot for a 20 year old to deal with.

Per twitter, Iowa State showing interest already. Is there any connection between Burton and McKay? A coach or "advisor"?

[tower912]

Hoiberg does love the transfers.   But he IS able to ride herd on the Island of Misfit Toys, so more power to him. 

[GGGG]

Per twitter, Iowa State showing interest already. Is there any connection between Burton and McKay? A coach or "advisor"?

I believe AAU coach.

http://painttouches.com/2012/06/05/mckay-feels-right-at-home-at-marquette/

"And as the third recruit from Milwaukee to commit for the 2013 class, McKay also has a friendship with 6-foot-5 wing Deonte Burton, who committed to Marquette last September.

Two years ago, the duo played for Terry Porter Elite on the AAU circuit, and McKay said he spoke with Burton and point guard commit Duane Wilson shortly after his commitment."

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Hoiberg does love the transfers.   But he IS able to ride herd on the Island of Misfit Toys, so more power to him. 

Yup, say what you want about Hoiberg. But he is a great coach. I have a friend who plays for Iowa St. (Yes he transferred) and he has said nothing but great things about Hoiberg. Deonte would be in good hands if he went there.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I never know how to feel about Hoiberg. Everyone talks about how he is such a great guy. But his players always seem to be dealing with off the court issues. Bryce Dejean-Jones just got suspended for a green leafy substance. Seems like he runs a pretty loose program.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I never know how to feel about Hoiberg. Everyone talks about how he is such a great guy. But his players always seem to be dealing with off the court issues. Bryce Dejean-Jones just got suspended for a green leafy substance. Seems like he runs a pretty loose program.

Well I have a great source in regards to him and I've only heard positives.

[VegasWarrior77]

Marquette Hoops retweeted
PantherU.com ‏@PantherU  46m46 minutes ago
FWIW, coaches I've talked to around the Midwest believe Deonte Burton will likely end up at either Iowa State or UCLA. #MKEBB will recruit.

[GGGG]

Yup, say what you want about Hoiberg. But he is a great coach. I have a friend who plays for Iowa St. (Yes he transferred) and he has said nothing but great things about Hoiberg. Deonte would be in good hands if he went there.

Abdel Nader?

[Blackhat]

Wojo may be a terrible defensive coach, we don't know yet.    To single Deonte out when the whole D was bad is not looking at the whole picture.

Guess we'll see at Deonte's next stop.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Abdel Nader?

Yup, had a heck of a game last night too.

[Freeport Warrior]

Per twitter, Iowa State showing interest already. Is there any connection between Burton and McKay? A coach or "advisor"?

Even after McKay transferred, he was still around MKE last spring and played pickup games with the boys - JJJ, Burton, Dawson, Duane - downtown at the B&G club after hours. I was at a few of them and Burton/McKay played together a lot. Definitely friends. How close, I have no idea.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well I have a great source in regards to him and I've only heard positives.

Well if I was a college aged basketball player and my coach created an environment where I felt free to drink, drive, and smoke weed, I'd probably only have positives to say about him too!

[GGGG]

Yup, had a heck of a game last night too.

Marquette was looking at him apparently out of high school.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Well if I was a college aged basketball player and my coach created an environment where I felt free to drink, drive, and smoke weed, I'd probably only have positives to say about him too!

Wait, you think players on other teams don't do these things? Cause man do I have some stories about MU players for you.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Marquette was looking at him apparently out of high school.

Yea, they were. Aki Collins came to a couple of practices when he was a senior. He had an offer.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wait, you think players on other teams don't do these things? Cause man do I have some stories about MU players for you.

Trust me, I am well aware. But it doesn't change the fact that he's had five players (that I can think of) in the last three years in the national media for reasons you don't want to be in the media for. That doesn't happen very often. Is Iowa state just unlucky or is there another factor? I don't know, but it certainly looks bad on its face

[Spotcheck Billy]

Trust me, I am well aware. But it doesn't change the fact that he's had five players (that I can think of) in the last three years in the national media for reasons you don't want to be in the media for. That doesn't happen very often. Is Iowa state just unlucky or is there another factor? I don't know, but it certainly looks bad on its face

could be worse, see Indiana 

[MU82]

Trust me, I am well aware. But it doesn't change the fact that he's had five players (that I can think of) in the last three years in the national media for reasons you don't want to be in the media for. That doesn't happen very often. Is Iowa state just unlucky or is there another factor? I don't know, but it certainly looks bad on its face

Squirmy.