Missouri St beating Wisconsin on CSTV right now

[rocky_warrior]

Wisconsin coming back a bit though.  They look big...and slow.  Wow...after watching Marquette play a couple games, every other NCAA games looks slow-mo

[Warrior]

Wisconsin Loses by 2.

[rocky_warrior]

Wow...Marquette's top 10 ranking is looking very good now.

[TallTitan34]

I can't even count how many teams directly in front of Marquette have lost.  This is amazing!

[MUfan12]

As great as a battle of undefeateds would have been... I can't help but be happy when UW-Madison loses.

Missouri State is a solid mid-major, this game will help UW-Madison down the road.

[dwaderoy2004]

neutral court loss.  i'm sure the badger fans will try and claim that missouri state is better than duke this year cause duke is so young blah blah blah.  whatever.  point for MU.  although the only point that matters is the head to head.  wisco will be back around the top ten by then.  will still be huge game, and not just locally.

[spiral97]

nah, they'll say something about their football team doing so well and then ask what OUR football team is ranked and then just nod and give that sympathetic look.

as for missouri st. being better than duke, they probably wouldn't say that so much as say something about how wisconsin playing missouri st. somehow made it so that marquette could beat duke (and prove it with string theory).

regardless - I actually am dissapointed in their loss.. I was looking forward to a top 10 clash of the unbeaten's december 8th on ESPN... hopefully they'll rebound and work their way back in.. nothing like beating a top 10 team to increase marquette's stock!

[MUUWUWM]

The game is on saturday Dec 9th...not the 8th...I only know this because its my birthday!

[CoachJohnson]

Anyone know anything about where they play?  Is it a difficult (small, noisy) place to play?  I know he won't get any credit for playing Valpo at Valpo, but Crean is playing a mid-major on the road.  It basically blows away the typical anti-MU whining by the UWM fan and local media that MU is dodging UWM.

[HoopDreams]

Wisconsin is typically overrated to begin the season..I still think they are a tough team though, it still gonna be a great game. Not gonna lie, I love to see Madison lose especially when they are ranked and the media thinks they are Final Four caliber..they almost always choke, lots of talent but simply cannot put it together. I know its early in the season though. Cannot wait to see them on the 9th of December in a sold out Bradley center.

[77ncaachamps]

Anyone know anything about where they play?  Is it a difficult (small, noisy) place to play?  I know he won't get any credit for playing Valpo at Valpo, but Crean is playing a mid-major on the road.  It basically blows away the typical anti-MU whining by the UWM fan and local media that MU is dodging UWM.

MU probably was dodging an MU-UWM matchup early because with the inferior product (that is, UWM), Marquette could parlay that non-conference game for something much more. Meaningless to MU, meaningful to UWM.

On a side note: UWM has been struggling:

Home Losses to WSU by 20 and UAB by 15.
Road Losses at Michigan by 7 and Northern Iowa by 11.

And UWM really wanted to play us?!?

Back to Wisconsin...

They greatly disappointed me. I know they'll be up for the MU game, but losing to Missouri State is a NO-NO. It detracts a bit from the upcoming matchup and rightly places them as the underdog. This is not beneficial for MU as the underdog status is a huge driving factor for many teams.
But if they're as slow as advertised...we better make sure we hit our free throws or it's going to be a lot closer than we want.

[Big Papi]

nah, they'll say something about their football team doing so well and then ask what OUR football team is ranked and then just nod and give that sympathetic look.

as for missouri st. being better than duke, they probably wouldn't say that so much as say something about how wisconsin playing missouri st. somehow made it so that marquette could beat duke (and prove it with string theory).

regardless - I actually am dissapointed in their loss.. I was looking forward to a top 10 clash of the unbeaten's december 8th on ESPN... hopefully they'll rebound and work their way back in.. nothing like beating a top 10 team to increase marquette's stock!

It would have been nice if we were the ones that gave them their first loss but no matter, giving them their second or third loss will be just as sweet.

[MUfan12]

Valpo's Arena only seats 5,000, and there were still tickets left as of Wednesday. Will it be noisy? Probably, but for MU. It sounds like there will be a solid MU contingent there, as well as a large group from Richmond to cheer on Dom.

[tower912]

Still looking for a pre-game gathering in Valpo.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?   Bueller?

[RawdogDX]

nah, they'll say something about their football team doing so well and then ask what OUR football team is ranked and then just nod and give that sympathetic look.

and to that i respond with a shrug and say: They beat as many ranked teams as yours did.

[ecompt]

could lose to Missouri State. Can we please stop talking about this man's genius?

[SoCalstu09]

I can't wait to watch Wesley play in this game. Last year he seemed nervous and lost...a bit overwhelmed if you ask me about going into an arena that he, BO, and most of WI thought he would be playing in a year ago. In an interview last year he said he was really excited to be playing Madison and maintained the thought that he had made the right decision in choosing MU.

This year, different story! A leader of a top 10 team, more confident, etc. I look forward to his energy in this game and MU obliterating WI. I think we all know who the best team in WI is, but finally, with national coverage, the rest of the nation will come around and start believing why we bitch so much!

[Big Papi]

could lose to Missouri State. Can we please stop talking about this man's genius?

I think we can definitely start talking about Bo's inability to improve bigs in his program.  Butch is in his fourth year and was a McDonald's All-American is a huge disappointment.  Steimsma is not much better.  I know bigs taking longer to develop but these 2 bigs had great skills when they first arrived at UW and should be much further along than they currently are. 

[bma725]

could lose to Missouri State. Can we please stop talking about this man's genius?

I think we can definitely start talking about Bo's inability to improve bigs in his program.  Butch is in his fourth year and was a McDonald's All-American is a huge disappointment.  Steimsma is not much better.  I know bigs taking longer to develop but these 2 bigs had great skills when they first arrived at UW and should be much further along than they currently are. 

While I'm not saying Bo is great at developing big men, Butch and Steimsma were both vastly overrated when they came out of high school.  Butch had no business being a McDonald's All-American he wasn't nearly good enough for it, and Steimsma is and always will be a limited athlete.  They were vastly overhyped by the Madison fans, and in Butch's case the national media when they'd done nothing to deserve it.      If he doesn't do anything with Keaton Nankivil thats a different story, but to base it on to guys who didn't deserve the hype they were getting is just wrong.

[MUMac]

could lose to Missouri State. Can we please stop talking about this man's genius?

I think we can definitely start talking about Bo's inability to improve bigs in his program.  Butch is in his fourth year and was a McDonald's All-American is a huge disappointment.  Steimsma is not much better.  I know bigs taking longer to develop but these 2 bigs had great skills when they first arrived at UW and should be much further along than they currently are. 

O'k, who has he developed then?  We heard all the Badger fans chastisc TC for not developing a big man.  No credit for Jackson or Merritt or Jackson (#2) or Novak ...   Yet, Bo got all this credit for the big men, because he recruited Steimsma and Butch.  Neither has developed one iota since stepping foot on UW's campus.

That begs the question, who has he developed?  Why all the fascination with his big men development?  There's not much to see.

While I'm not saying Bo is great at developing big men, Butch and Steimsma were both vastly overrated when they came out of high school.  Butch had no business being a McDonald's All-American he wasn't nearly good enough for it, and Steimsma is and always will be a limited athlete.  They were vastly overhyped by the Madison fans, and in Butch's case the national media when they'd done nothing to deserve it.      If he doesn't do anything with Keaton Nankivil thats a different story, but to base it on to guys who didn't deserve the hype they were getting is just wrong.

[bma725]

could lose to Missouri State. Can we please stop talking about this man's genius?

I think we can definitely start talking about Bo's inability to improve bigs in his program.  Butch is in his fourth year and was a McDonald's All-American is a huge disappointment.  Steimsma is not much better.  I know bigs taking longer to develop but these 2 bigs had great skills when they first arrived at UW and should be much further along than they currently are. 

O'k, who has he developed then?  We heard all the Badger fans chastisc TC for not developing a big man.  No credit for Jackson or Merritt or Jackson (#2) or Novak ...   Yet, Bo got all this credit for the big men, because he recruited Steimsma and Butch.  Neither has developed one iota since stepping foot on UW's campus.

That begs the question, who has he developed?  Why all the fascination with his big men development?  There's not much to see.

While I'm not saying Bo is great at developing big men, Butch and Steimsma were both vastly overrated when they came out of high school.  Butch had no business being a McDonald's All-American he wasn't nearly good enough for it, and Steimsma is and always will be a limited athlete.  They were vastly overhyped by the Madison fans, and in Butch's case the national media when they'd done nothing to deserve it.      If he doesn't do anything with Keaton Nankivil thats a different story, but to base it on to guys who didn't deserve the hype they were getting is just wrong.

Mike Wilkinson and maybe Zach Morley.  But I'd be willing to argue that there was more to work with in those two cases than with Butch and Steimsma.  Wilkinson and Morely are more athletic and more skilled that Butch and Steimsma, who just look stiff on the court.  There's a certain athletic ability needed to be able to be a good big man that I don't think those two have.  They seem to have the little post moves needed or the knowledge of what should be done, but not the athletic ability to do so consistently at game speed.  Whenever I've watched them they seem like plodders, like the speed of the game is just too much for them.