Line up/ minutes distribution with Luke

[tower912]

Now that Luke is eligible, time to make predictions as to the starting line up and  minutes with him.
5.  Fischer 26  STjr 14
4.  Juan 28, STjr 12
3.  Duane 26, Deonte 10, JJJ 4
2.  Carlino 28, JJJ 10, Duane 2
1.  Derrick 30, Carlino 8, Duane 2.

Cohen's minutes are going to be sporadic.   Maybe taking JJJ's minutes at the 3.

In short, I see a 3 guard set, with the lion's share of minutes going to Duane, Derrick, and Carlino.   A pretty even split at the 4-5 with Juan, Luke, and STjr.   

[BallBoy]

Now that Luke is eligible, time to make predictions as to the starting line up and  minutes with him.
5.  Fischer 26  STjr 14
4.  Juan 28, STjr 12
3.  Duane 26, Deonte 10, JJJ 4
2.  Carlino 28, JJJ 10, Duane 2
1.  Derrick 30, Carlino 8, Duane 2.

Cohen's minutes are going to be sporadic.   Maybe taking JJJ's minutes at the 3.

In short, I see a 3 guard set, with the lion's share of minutes going to Duane, Derrick, and Carlino.   A pretty even split at the 4-5 with Juan, Luke, and STjr.   

I think this is pretty accurate. I would probably move more of Carlino's minutes to Burton and JJJ. That is just nitpicking. It would be nice if JJJ or Burton turned the corner and took more minutes.

[Nevada233]

Now that Luke is eligible, time to make predictions as to the starting line up and  minutes with him.
5.  Fischer 26  STjr 14
4.  Juan 28, STjr 12
3.  Duane 26, Deonte 10, JJJ 4
2.  Carlino 28, JJJ 10, Duane 2
1.  Derrick 30, Carlino 8, Duane 2.

Cohen's minutes are going to be sporadic.   Maybe taking JJJ's minutes at the 3.

In short, I see a 3 guard set, with the lion's share of minutes going to Duane, Derrick, and Carlino.   A pretty even split at the 4-5 with Juan, Luke, and STjr.   

So you only see Deonte playing 10 min. Interesting.

[WarriorFan]

I see Deonte "figuring it out" soon and earning about 18/game with most of his time coming at the 3, but 3-4 minutes at the 4.
Otherwise the above seems very logical, with obvious exceptions if Fischer or anyone else has foul trouble.

[tower912]

So you only see Deonte playing 10 min. Interesting.

When Deonte starts to play defense and rebound, his minutes will go up.  And honestly, if he or JJJ starts playing a complete game on both ends, I hope the minutes come from Derrick.   Because those guys playing well at both ends gives more options than Derrick.   But those minutes need to be earned.  

[LloydsLegs]

And depending on match-ups, go "big" once in a while with Luke, Juan and Steve/Deonte in at the same time for short bursts

[brewcity77]

I would like to see Deonte and Jajuan earn more, but thus far they haven't. I could also Sr a small lineup with Juan at the five and Burton at the four. Overall though, this looks pretty accurate provided Fischer can play 25+ mpg.

[Johnny B]

luke better start.

[Tugg Speedman]

luke better start.

He better start?  I suppose you also expect him to have an impact before the first media time out too?

I see where this is going, 12 minutes after the AZ St Tip we are going to see posters declaring Luke a bust.

[Texas Western]

Now that Luke is eligible, time to make predictions as to the starting line up and  minutes with him.
5.  Fischer 26  STjr 14
4.  Juan 28, STjr 12
3.  Duane 26, Deonte 10, JJJ 4
2.  Carlino 28, JJJ 10, Duane 2
1.  Derrick 30, Carlino 8, Duane 2.

Cohen's minutes are going to be sporadic.   Maybe taking JJJ's minutes at the 3.

In short, I see a 3 guard set, with the lion's share of minutes going to Duane, Derrick, and Carlino.   A pretty even split at the 4-5 with Juan, Luke, and STjr.   

I agree with this. Would like to see Deonte and JJJ become better at defense so they can eventually take minutes from Derrick.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What I think it will be based on right now:

PG: Derrick 28, Carlino 8, Duane 4
SG: Carlino 24, Duane 11, JjJ 5
SF: Duane 13, Cohen 12, Deonte 10, JjJ 5
PF: Juan 28, STJ 12
C: Fischer 25, STJ 15

What I hope we get to because certain players figure it out:

PG: Carlino 30, Derrick 10
SG: Duane 28, JjJ 12
SF: Deonte 26, JjJ 10, Cohen 4
PF: Juan 28, STJ 12
C: Fischer 25, STJ 15

I think Derrick and Cohen are getting more playing time than anticipated because Deonte and JjJ haven't figured it out yet. If they can, their minutes will go down drastically. I think allowing Burton to play his natural position at the wing will help him, as will having Luke to clear out space in the lane for him.

[Johnny B]

He better start?  I suppose you also expect him to have an impact before the first media time out too?

I see where this is going, 12 minutes after the AZ St Tip we are going to see posters declaring Luke a bust.

if he doesnt impact the game at all then yes you will.

[Tugg Speedman]

if he doesnt impact the game at all then yes you will.

I want to be sure i understand your twisted and incorrect view ... if Luke does not impact in his first game after not playing for a year, then he's a bust.

Is that correct?

[Johnny B]

I want to be sure i understand your twisted and incorrect view ... if Luke does not impact in his first game after not playing for a year, then he's a bust.

Is that correct?

You are looking at what I'm saying wrong. If has no impact you will see posts saying hes a bust. Honestly if a 6'11 guy does not somehow impact the game, then...well he almost automatically should just by standing in the post guarding the rim. He will by default make an imapct.

[Tugg Speedman]

I see ... and apologize for accusing you of thinking this way.

And, unfortunately, you're correct ... If Luke does not impact against AZ State, and maybe before the first TV timeout against AZ State, we have enough cement heads here that will start calling him a bust.

See all the cement heads that called Carlino "useless" because he did not dominate against Wisconsin Lutheran.

[Texas Western]

I don't think the expectations are high for Luke.  We certainly all want him to do well and there is a theory that he will help others.  It will all take some time to play out, especially as it relates to chemistry.

[brandx]

Now that Luke is eligible, time to make predictions as to the starting line up and  minutes with him.
5.  Fischer 26  STjr 14
4.  Juan 28, STjr 12
3.  Duane 26, Deonte 10, JJJ 4
2.  Carlino 28, JJJ 10, Duane 2
1.  Derrick 30, Carlino 8, Duane 2.

Cohen's minutes are going to be sporadic.   Maybe taking JJJ's minutes at the 3.

In short, I see a 3 guard set, with the lion's share of minutes going to Duane, Derrick, and Carlino.   A pretty even split at the 4-5 with Juan, Luke, and STjr.   

Pretty well thought out and I think you are close. You assume all 80 minutes of '4' and '5' will be used up by Luke, STJ, and Juan - which while maybe ideal, probably won't happen. I would expect those three to combine for closer to 70 minutes than 80. And at guard, I think he will be able to rest Carlino a little more so I would guess 32 minutes instead of 36.

Those extra minutes will go to some combo of Deonte, JJJ, and Cohen. Wojo likes Cohen so I think he will want to get him several minutes each game.

[NersEllenson]

I think this is pretty accurate. I would probably move more of Carlino's minutes to Burton and JJJ. That is just nitpicking. It would be nice if JJJ or Burton turned the corner and took more minutes.

Seriously?  You want to reduce Carlino's minutes and not Derrick's?  Wow.

Luke - 25
Juan - 27
Steve - 20
Deonte - 25
Duane - 32
Carlino - 36
JJJ - 15
Cohen 10  - Could flip flop him and JJJ depending
Derrick 10

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Seriously?  You want to reduce Carlino's minutes and not Derrick's?  Wow.

My guess is that Ball Boy doesn't think Carlino is capable of playing at his best for 36 minutes a game. I don't think he thinks Derrick is better than Carlino.

[jsglow]

Without referencing a particular post, there appear to be some on here that think Luke's addition (at roughly 20-25 minutes) is going to dramatically impact Derrick's minutes.  I don't see that at all.  I remain convinced that Derrick will be on the floor 25+ for the entire season.  I see no reason that JJJ will be taking meaningful minutes from anyone anytime soon but I do believe we'll see Deonte's minutes start to creep up a bit maybe peaking about 18-20 now that he can slide to the SF spot.  He'll have to earn those playing D and rebounding.

[g0lden3agle]

Seriously?  You want to reduce Carlino's minutes and not Derrick's?  Wow.

Luke - 25
Juan - 27
Steve - 20
Deonte - 25
Duane - 32
Carlino - 36
JJJ - 15
Cohen 10  - Could flip flop him and JJJ depending
Derrick 10

What have you seen out of JJJ that he deserves more minutes than Derrick right now?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What have you seen out of JJJ that he deserves more minutes than Derrick right now?

Swagger

More seriously, it is obvious that JjJ (Burton, Cohen, and Dawson as well) has a higher ceiling than Derrick. Many are of the opinion that you play through the growing pains and hope that JjJ figures it out. Its a high risk, high reward situation. I can't speak for others, but as someone who has been repeatedly labeled a Derrick slurper, I am of the believe that playing time is not given, its earned. If JjJ wants Derrick's minutes, he needs to rise up and take them from him.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Without referencing a particular post, there appear to be some on here that think Luke's addition (at roughly 20-25 minutes) is going to dramatically impact Derrick's minutes.  I don't see that at all.  I remain convinced that Derrick will be on the floor 25+ for the entire season.  I see no reason that JJJ will be taking meaningful minutes from anyone anytime soon but I do believe we'll see Deonte's minutes start to creep up a bit maybe peaking about 18-20 now that he can slide to the SF spot.  He'll have to earn those playing D and rebounding.

My theory is that having a true rim defender at the back of the zone will mask a lot of Deonte and JjJ's deficiencies on defense. It will allow them to play more aggressive, go for steals, and play right in the other teams face because they don't have to worry as much about being beat and they don't have to worry as much about fouling. On offense, having a true post will force defenses to concentrate inside rather than on the perimeter, will give someone to seal off lanes for drives to the hoop, and give them someone to dump the ball off to if they can't finish a drive.

There are a lot of ifs in this statement. But if the theory proves true, then I could see Deonte and JjJ's play improving because Luke is on the floor and ergo Derrick's minutes reducing. That's why I put two minute distributions. One for performances so far, and one for performances that I hope to see.

[GooooMarquette]

Without referencing a particular post, there appear to be some on here that think Luke's addition (at roughly 20-25 minutes) is going to dramatically impact Derrick's minutes.  I don't see that at all.  I remain convinced that Derrick will be on the floor 25+ for the entire season.  I see no reason that JJJ will be taking meaningful minutes from anyone anytime soon but I do believe we'll see Deonte's minutes start to creep up a bit maybe peaking about 18-20 now that he can slide to the SF spot.  He'll have to earn those playing D and rebounding.

Spot on.  I had hoped JJJ would have progressed a bit more by now, but for the time being he's a great athlete looking for a game.

[jsglow]

My theory is that having a true rim defender at the back of the zone will mask a lot of Deonte and JjJ's deficiencies on defense. It will allow them to play more aggressive, go for steals, and play right in the other teams face because they don't have to worry as much about being beat and they don't have to worry as much about fouling. On offense, having a true post will force defenses to concentrate inside rather than on the perimeter, will give someone to seal off lanes for drives to the hoop, and give them someone to dump the ball off to if they can't finish a drive.

There are a lot of ifs in this statement. But if the theory proves true, then I could see Deonte and JjJ's play improving because Luke is on the floor and ergo Derrick's minutes reducing. That's why I put two minute distributions. One for performances so far, and one for performances that I hope to see.

I suppose I can see this with respect to Deonte but nothing tells me that Jujuan is anything but a backup this year for Carlino and/or Duane.