Point Guard

[NersEllenson]

Clearly.

But just understand that one, successful college coach disagrees with you.  And a second one very well might this year.

You can't blame me and the "five other diehards" for siding with the successful coach rather than the anonymous message board guy who challenges people to 1-on-1 games.

And how successful was that college coach last season?  Did you not recall me and others here saying early on the season was going to be a disaster if he didn't make a change?  It was plain as day.  As Buzz would say:  You get what you earn.  Buzz's coaching last year got us exactly what we earned:  A turd of a season, missing the NIT, after being picked to win The Big East...and in a watered down Big East at that.   

[GGGG]

And how successful was that college coach last season?  Did you not recall me and others here saying early on the season was going to be a disaster if he didn't make a change?  It was plain as day.  As Buzz would say:  You get what you earn.  Buzz's coaching last year got us exactly what we earned:  A turd of a season, missing the NIT, after being picked to win The Big East...and in a watered down Big East at that.   

Right.  It was his fault there was no better alternative after Duane got hurt.  Too many transfers.  Too many  recruiting misses. 

Just what I (and others) have said all along. 

[NersEllenson]

Right.  It was his fault there was no better alternative after Duane got hurt.  Too many transfers.  Too many  recruiting misses. 

Just what I (and others) have said all along. 

So who's responsible for recruiting and transfers?  And really...no better alternative after Duane got hurt?  Why in God's name would you think he'd have played a 160lbs freshman Duane Wilson....when Deonte Burton, could only get 12 minutes a game....and he too was playing behind a highly ineffective upperclassmen?  Why after he gave Dawson exactly 1 legitimate run, and Dawson played well, and we WON the game, would he NEVER have given him another chance to play 30??

Too many excuses being made by you and the select others in defense of Buzz last season.  As you know, I loved the guy years 1 through 5, but it was plain as day to see that all was not right with him last year.

[GGGG]

So who's responsible for recruiting and transfers? 

As I have said all along and inferred up above, the biggest problem with the point guard position last year was Buzz the general manager...not Buzz the coach.

Why in God's name would you think he'd have played a 160lbs freshman Duane Wilson....when Deonte Burton, could only get 12 minutes a game....and he too was playing behind a highly ineffective upperclassmen? 

Well who knows.  We are dealing in hypotheticals.

Why after he gave Dawson exactly 1 legitimate run, and Dawson played well, and we WON the game, would he NEVER have given him another chance to play 30??

Is it really that hard?  He thought Derrick was better.  Wojo might come to the same conclusion.

[NersEllenson]

As I have said all along and inferred up above, the biggest problem with the point guard position last year was Buzz the general manager...not Buzz the coach.


Well who knows.  We are dealing in hypotheticals.


Is it really that hard?  He thought Derrick was better.  Wojo might come to the same conclusion.

Buzz is both the GM and coach so both fall at his feet.  He couldn't control Duane's injury of course, and that would have given him the option to play him.  Yet, Buzz showed he'd barely play an All Big East freshman sitting behind an unproductive upperclassmen.  Buzz buried a 4.5 star freshman recruit behind a largely unproductive walk on.  I don't think it's a reach in the hypothetical if Duane were healthy to think Buzz would have given him 20+ minutes given all the other evidence that suggests otherwise.

[willie warrior]

As I have said all along and inferred up above, the biggest problem with the point guard position last year was Buzz the general manager...not Buzz the coach.


Well who knows.  We are dealing in hypotheticals.


Is it really that hard?  He thought Derrick was better.  Wojo might come to the same conclusion.

Sultan: Let me clear all your smoke, mirrors, subterfuge and slurping about Buzz for you and all others;
Buzz was a phony stubborn cowboy who used his downhome phoniness to fool you and others. Buzz wrecked last season because he was a bonehead, and was shown the door for that. Everything else is all BS and opium dreams by you.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sultan: Let me clear all your smoke, mirrors, subterfuge and slurping about Buzz for you and all others;
Buzz was a phony stubborn cowboy who used his downhome phoniness to fool you and others. Buzz wrecked last season because he was a bonehead, and was shown the door for that. Everything else is all BS and opium dreams by you.

All you needed was "hate woody" and you would have hit every single one of your lines! Bravo sir!

[willie warrior]

All you needed was "hate woody" and you would have hit every single one of your lines! Bravo sir!

Thank you for reminding me: Sultan has a love woody for all things Buzz.

[jesmu84]

So who's responsible for recruiting and transfers?  And really...no better alternative after Duane got hurt?  Why in God's name would you think he'd have played a 160lbs freshman Duane Wilson....when Deonte Burton, could only get 12 minutes a game....and he too was playing behind a highly ineffective upperclassmen?  Why after he gave Dawson exactly 1 legitimate run, and Dawson played well, and we WON the game, would he NEVER have given him another chance to play 30??

Too many excuses being made by you and the select others in defense of Buzz last season.  As you know, I loved the guy years 1 through 5, but it was plain as day to see that all was not right with him last year.

As you pointed out in the Wisconsin Lutheran threads many times, the WL game is too small of asample size to judge any players performance, including Dawson. So why is the Georgetown game enough of asample size to judge anything?

[wadesworld]

Ners is right. Bert threw last season intentionally. All the college coaches who are looking a new job are doing it. It's a resume booster. Bert was hoping to go 0-32 because then he would be coaching at Kentucky and not Virginia Tech.

AKA Ners doesn't know the first thing about basketball.

Not sure why I ever took him off of ignore. Lesson learned.

[Galway Eagle]

Sultan: Let me clear all your smoke, mirrors, subterfuge and slurping about Buzz for you and all others;
Buzz was a phony stubborn cowboy who used his downhome phoniness to fool you and others. Buzz wrecked last season because he was a bonehead, and was shown the door for that. Everything else is all BS and opium dreams by you.

So all the good that happened in year 1-5 was an opium dream by us all? Woah trippy.  Seriously though you're the only poster where I think you'd actually be happier if but didn't bring us 5ncaa appearances not to mention the 2 sweet 16s elite 8 and BE championship instead flopping and getting fired. Never once have I seen a post by you happy for those.

[GGGG]

Happiness?  Hell I'm looking forward to the day willie comes up with a single, coherent thought other than a soundbite.

[connie]

I left the board for the summer.  Anyone want to catch me up?

[wadesworld]

I left the board for the summer.  Anyone want to catch me up?

Ners rode the pine on a varsity basketball team in high school and thus is more qualified and knows much more about basketball than Buzz Williams and Steve Wojciechowski.  That is all.

[River rat]

Buzz was trying to get out of MU from the day he started!!!  The first 5 years he thought winning conference titles, elite 8s, sweet 16s , etc. wouldget him a better job, yet he couldnt find another job.  It was only in year 6 that he realized that if he actually tried to lose he could get another gig and it worked.  Perfectly logical now

[willie warrior]

Happiness?  Hell I'm looking forward to the day willie comes up with a single, coherent thought other than a soundbite.

As compared to the Sultan's thoughts which are willie nilly. And his last comment was indeed a sound bite.

[MU82]

All you needed was "hate woody" and you would have hit every single one of your lines! Bravo sir!

Oooh ... oooh ... oooh!

I was the first one ever decorated with the "hate woody" line!

[wadesworld]

Buzz was trying to get out of MU from the day he started!!!  The first 5 years he thought winning conference titles, elite 8s, sweet 16s , etc. wouldget him a better job, yet he couldnt find another job.  It was only in year 6 that he realized that if he actually tried to lose he could get another gig and it worked.  Perfectly logical now

Good call.

[willie warrior]

So all the good that happened in year 1-5 was an opium dream by us all? Woah trippy.  Seriously though you're the only poster where I think you'd actually be happier if but didn't bring us 5ncaa appearances not to mention the 2 sweet 16s elite 8 and BE championship instead flopping and getting fired. Never once have I seen a post by you happy for those.

Reading is fundamental, BagBoxer! I was talking about Buzz last year. If you want to throw in prior seasons to excuse has idiocy from last year, go for it! And he was shown the door, so I guess the ones that showed him the door were not too enthralled with Buzz either.

[Galway Eagle]

Reading is fundamental, BagBoxer! I was talking about Buzz last year. If you want to throw in prior seasons to excuse has idiocy from last year, go for it! And he was shown the door, so I guess the ones that showed him the door were not too enthralled with Buzz either.

So only last year he was a phony cowboy who fooled all of us but before that he was genuine? You see I've commented on your attitude toward buzz last year before the season because you had a tremendous amount of animosity toward him even then.  This is why I figured I'd throw my comment out there that you're possibly the only fan Ive seen who I could actually see being unhappy that buzz lead us to great success 5 seasons. 

[real chili 83]

In before the lock

I hope this thread is not predictive of the upcoming season on scoop.

[g0lden3agle]

Reading is fundamental, BagBoxer! I was talking about Buzz last year. If you want to throw in prior seasons to excuse has idiocy from last year, go for it! And he was shown the door, so I guess the ones that showed him the door were not too enthralled with Buzz either.

How many people need to tell you he was not shown the door before you stop saying he was shown the door?  Letting someone leave != shown the door.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In before the lock

I hope this thread is not predictive of the upcoming season on scoop.

Amen brother

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Maybe we can just agree that Derrick is the best option at PG (for now), and then just forget this topic for a while?

If Derrick plays well, he'll get a good amount of minutes. If Derrick plays poorly, Wojo will look for another solution.

Keep it simple, bros.

Peace.

[NersEllenson]

Ners is right. Bert threw last season intentionally. All the college coaches who are looking a new job are doing it. It's a resume booster. Bert was hoping to go 0-32 because then he would be coaching at Kentucky and not Virginia Tech.

AKA Ners doesn't know the first thing about basketball.

Not sure why I ever took him off of ignore. Lesson learned.

Buzz had enough skins on the wall that one bad season wasn't going to kill his chances of getting a gig.  What is bizarre is that he jumped ship after last season after having passed on other much better jobs than VaTech.  Then again in past seasons MU had always sweetened the pot for Buzz - last season - not so much.....it was good riddance on the part of Cords and Wild.  And for that I applaud them.  Takes balls to say enough is enough, and part ways with an employee who produced very good results.  But when that employee becomes such a diva that he won't even flush his own turd down the toilet - yea - time to move on.  (Not to mention turning in an atrocious coaching performance.)

And btw - The cheesiest thing on this board is posters making reference of using/"threatening" to use the ignore function.  That along with making grand mention of no longer posting here.  

If your skin is so thin that you can't "handle" reading dissenting opinions as an adult, that speaks volumes.  Nonetheless, I had a hard time falling asleep last night knowing Wadesworld has put me on ignore.  It is still troubling me today, and I'm sure it will for some time.  Yet thank you Wades for making me and the rest of the board aware that I am now on your ignore list.  I still will look forward to reading your opinions on MU basketball, albeit most of them exhibit little knowledge of the game.